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Reply #1: There's a problem with this debate. [View All]

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Taxloss (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr-07-07 10:46 PM
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1. There's a problem with this debate.
"It's not anti-semitic to criticise Israel" goes the cry, and it's true. "I'm not against Jews, I'm against Zionists" goes the claim, and most mean it genuinely. And there is indeed a debate about where the dividing line between criticism of Israel and anti-semitism lies.

But here's the problem: both sides are trying to move the line. It's not one-way traffic with a bunch of hard-core pro-Israelis attempting to classify all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic, although heaven knows there are a few of them. At the same time, the hard-core anti-Israelis are pushing in the other direction because it suits their purposes to keep the line as blurred as possible. Not to fix the line - to keep it blurred. A blurred line is more useful, because it permits a maximalist interpretation of where the line might ultimately be.
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  How many anti-Zionists does it take to change a lightbulb? TheBaldyMan  Apr-07-07 10:34 PM   #0 
   There's a problem with this debate.  Taxloss   Apr-07-07 10:46 PM   #1 
   that's a point that Mr. Nelsen makes at the end of his blog entry  TheBaldyMan   Apr-07-07 11:27 PM   #3 
   Gee, I just thought someone who hated Jews  Andromeda   Apr-17-07 04:57 AM   #28 
   Another six of one, half a dozen of the other argument.  aquart   Apr-08-07 12:43 AM   #5 
      I think you have me wrong.  Taxloss   Apr-08-07 09:39 AM   #6 
      Anti-semites aren't the only bigots who do it...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-08-07 10:52 AM   #7 
         The EUMC definition isn't meant to entrap the BNP, it's meant to define anti-semitism.  Taxloss   Apr-08-07 03:29 PM   #11 
            I believe Ms. Crumble makes it clear she was quoting Mr. Arthur Nelsen  Douglas Carpenter   Apr-08-07 03:57 PM   #12 
               Well, that explains it. n/t  Taxloss   Apr-08-07 04:03 PM   #13 
      as an example of a position that might possibly be called anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic  Douglas Carpenter   Apr-08-07 11:17 AM   #8 
      I'll field those hard-hitting questions...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-08-07 11:33 AM   #9 
         Hahahaha.  Shaktimaan   Apr-08-07 09:49 PM   #14 
   Perhaps for some their anti-Zionist comments come from anti-semitism - indeed that was what  papau   Apr-07-07 10:46 PM   #2 
   I was thinking of pro-Palestinian groups.  TheBaldyMan   Apr-07-07 11:46 PM   #4 
      I hope the PA groups are given a pass- as to economic dullards, I went to  papau   Apr-08-07 11:15 PM   #15 
   This whole argument is tiresome.  bemildred   Apr-08-07 12:19 PM   #10 
   But the lines are blurrier than that.  Shaktimaan   Apr-09-07 03:49 AM   #17 
   They are "blurred" deliberately a lot.  bemildred   Apr-09-07 08:37 AM   #18 
      Care to expand on that?  Shaktimaan   Apr-09-07 04:41 PM   #21 
         Please refer to post #10.  bemildred   Apr-09-07 04:59 PM   #22 
            Sooo...  Shaktimaan   Apr-09-07 06:25 PM   #24 
               No, that's not it. nt  bemildred   Apr-09-07 11:40 PM   #25 
   going OT slightly your Mark Twain comment reminded me of  TheBaldyMan   Apr-09-07 03:30 PM   #20 
   I took the test, which in all candor did not impress me much.  bemildred   Apr-09-07 05:42 PM   #23 
   A perfect example:  bemildred   Apr-16-07 01:02 PM   #26 
   I'm anti-innocent people getting killed  Lilith Velkor   Apr-08-07 11:36 PM   #16 
      Well said. nt  bemildred   Apr-09-07 08:37 AM   #19 
      I wonder why I never thought of that.  Andromeda   Apr-17-07 04:36 AM   #27 
 

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