Tom Joad
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Mon Mar-26-07 09:34 PM
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| 27. It won't be. Golda did not believe Palestinians were fully human. In contrast, Rachel |
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Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 10:17 PM by Tom Joad
Corrie saw the humanity of the bulldozer drivers, one of whom ended up murdering her. She wrote at one point ( i can't find a direct quote at the moment) where she wondered about the drivers of the bulldozers, who were about her age, and what music he listens to, and so on. Rachel also wrote of the
"The resistance of Israeli Jewish people to the occupation and the enormous risk taken by those refusing to serve in the Israeli military offers an example, especially for those of us living in the United States, of how to behave when you discover that atrocities are being committed in your name. "
It seems like in the US, it is not required that plays about a controversial subject must be balanced by another perspective.
When Michale Moore's films are played, no one insisted that moviegoers be provided with Republican information as they go in (oth, no one was prevented from passing out such material to people walking toward the theatre, either)
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| -Seattle Jews take on Corrie play |
Scurrilous |
Mar-26-07 06:44 PM |
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This way may prove to be more constructive |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-26-07 06:56 PM |
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Thanks for posting. |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 06:57 PM |
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I had read that the US asked for an independent investigation but Israel refused. |
breakaleg |
Mar-26-07 07:07 PM |
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Then you read wrong. |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 07:56 PM |
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I did. |
breakaleg |
Mar-26-07 09:14 PM |
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As i posted, the US State Department has always been unsatisfied with the |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 08:21 PM |
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Thanks for posting that. Such writing is a way of Bulldozing the truth. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 08:19 PM |
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Since you take such exception to my statement . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 08:41 PM |
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yes, i think ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 08:45 PM |
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But that's not what I said. |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 08:59 PM |
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You never explained how you would "encourage" people to leave? |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 09:10 PM |
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I have no idea what Israel's policies are with respect to . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 10:42 PM |
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I think it is Israel that has an obsession with Palestine... it has moved 400,000 of its citizens |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 11:21 PM |
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Yes, well there's nothing in the Israeli constitution . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 11:44 PM |
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There is nothing in the Israeli constitution, period. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 11:52 PM |
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Webster defines constitution as . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-27-07 12:01 AM |
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Okay, Webster Dictionary defines the word, no argument there. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-27-07 12:04 AM |
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That is SOOOO DUMB |
booley |
Apr-13-07 12:53 PM |
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I wonder why Israelis would be so obsessed with East Jerusalem. |
oberliner |
Mar-27-07 12:17 AM |
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Go there...it will aid your understanding |
Solo_in_MD |
Mar-27-07 12:32 AM |
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Careful, alternative views on the martyrdom of Rachel Corrie are heresy and not allowed here |
Solo_in_MD |
Mar-26-07 11:21 PM |
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Mar-26-07 07:12 PM |
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This is very telling. |
breakaleg |
Mar-26-07 07:30 PM |
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check the links provided on the "additional resources" page, |
jonnyblitz |
Mar-26-07 07:49 PM |
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Little Green Footballs, like the site we see MSM post at , celebrates Rachel's death. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 08:31 PM |
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Sites that don't have strict moderation . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-26-07 08:46 PM |
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Where do you dreay that from? |
Solo_in_MD |
Mar-26-07 10:36 PM |
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Rachel Corrie .. |
Scurrilous |
Mar-27-07 01:27 PM |
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Mar-26-07 10:51 PM |
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Mar-27-07 10:39 PM |
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If you think their criticism is unjustified . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-28-07 09:07 PM |
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What kind of people post there? I mean, they don't just stop at attacking me, but they have |
Tom Joad |
Mar-29-07 11:31 PM |
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Mar-30-07 03:48 PM |
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another website describes itself as "Pro-Jewish, Pro-Arab, Pro-Peace" |
Tom Joad |
Mar-30-07 08:27 PM |
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thanx...nice site... |
Douglas Carpenter |
Apr-06-07 10:20 AM |
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What about a play about Golda Meir? |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 09:02 PM |
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It won't be. Golda did not believe Palestinians were fully human. In contrast, Rachel |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 09:34 PM |
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With all due respect, that is a ridiculous statement |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 10:41 PM |
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There are many examples of her speech that dehumanizes Palestinians, but even more so the |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 11:02 PM |
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In regard to your quote |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 11:12 PM |
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It is unlawful for nations to take territory by force. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 11:16 PM |
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It is unlawful for people to enter Israel . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-27-07 12:08 PM |
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One is a state, the other are individuals. nt |
breakaleg |
Mar-27-07 12:57 PM |
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It's hard to understand the meaning of your statement. |
msmcghee |
Mar-29-07 10:29 AM |
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The state of Israel is responsble for its actions. Those individual Palestinians are responsible |
breakaleg |
Mar-29-07 02:19 PM |
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My statement was . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-29-07 02:33 PM |
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Your statement was in response to Toms which said that it was unlawful for a nation to take |
breakaleg |
Mar-29-07 02:37 PM |
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Hmmm. I was comparing the relative . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-29-07 03:11 PM |
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Who is able to correct these wrongs? Israel doesn't listen to any international bodies. nt |
breakaleg |
Mar-29-07 03:41 PM |
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So, you are unable to agree that . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-29-07 03:46 PM |
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Both are wrong and neither makes the other one right... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-07 02:46 AM |
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It's interesting that you like to ask challenging questions . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-30-07 09:53 AM |
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It wasn't a challenging question, and I notice you didn't answer it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-07 06:32 PM |
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Why am I not surprised . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-30-07 06:45 PM |
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Maybe it'd help if you actually read my posts before replying... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-07 06:56 PM |
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I did see where you said that you don't approve of killing . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-30-07 07:20 PM |
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I answered yr question in post #86... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-07 07:29 PM |
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Certainly you know that I believe it is wrong . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-30-07 07:53 PM |
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Try answering the question I asked you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Mar-30-07 08:02 PM |
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Why put words in my mouth? AGAIN? |
breakaleg |
Mar-30-07 10:32 AM |
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It's hard to know how I can put . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-30-07 10:39 AM |
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There was no tunnel under this home (that eventually the IDF demolished) |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 10:20 PM |
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You don't think the situation is complex? |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 09:03 PM |
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At the specific times and context in which it was said to me, it most certainly does. |
breakaleg |
Mar-26-07 09:35 PM |
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I think it goes both ways |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 10:55 PM |
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I disagree. |
breakaleg |
Mar-26-07 11:02 PM |
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I don't know, I've seen posts recently that have said things like |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 11:15 PM |
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I saw those as well. That's not the same as what I was writing about. nt |
breakaleg |
Mar-26-07 11:37 PM |
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I just wish people could discuss this conflict with less hyperbole |
oberliner |
Mar-27-07 12:21 AM |
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Well, if you took a stance that was strictly anti-Palestinian |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-27-07 10:29 AM |
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I'll try to keep open-minded on this, and will welcome ALL verifiable info. |
pnorman |
Mar-26-07 07:22 PM |
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What kind of overt anti-Semitism? n/t |
rockymountaindem |
Mar-26-07 08:08 PM |
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stuff like this. |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-27-07 11:20 AM |
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What a bunch of freaks and assholes n.t. |
rockymountaindem |
Mar-27-07 12:00 PM |
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word. |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-27-07 12:56 PM |
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Why do you post a link to an Anti-Arab Hate site? A proud defender of Bush's |
Tom Joad |
Mar-27-07 10:17 PM |
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A hate site? |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-28-07 10:07 PM |
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There is also overt anti-Arab racism that enters these affairs as well. |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 08:26 PM |
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"A Different Approach" |
TomClash |
Mar-26-07 08:49 PM |
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They are too busy defending the likes of John Bolton and the rest of the cast-offs of the Bush |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 08:58 PM |
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Actually the ADL has been busy working to uphold the rights of gays and lesbians |
oberliner |
Mar-26-07 09:14 PM |
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Yes, they can do very good work |
TomClash |
Mar-26-07 09:17 PM |
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But you don't deny that they worked long and hard to defend John Bolton, |
Tom Joad |
Mar-26-07 09:36 PM |
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Great stuff nt |
TomClash |
Mar-26-07 09:19 PM |
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Why? Is anyone trying to stop it? |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-27-07 11:05 AM |
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No, but there was an attempt to stop its production in New York |
TomClash |
Mar-27-07 06:57 PM |
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What happened in New York? |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-27-07 09:02 PM |
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The play was supposed to be originally shown |
TomClash |
Mar-27-07 09:25 PM |
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How does this abrogate free speech? |
eyl |
Mar-28-07 05:24 AM |
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You're taking the quote out of context. It was in response to the prior post |
TomClash |
Mar-28-07 05:57 AM |
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not talking about |
eyl |
Mar-29-07 10:32 AM |
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Then I guess you didn't read this |
TomClash |
Mar-29-07 09:30 PM |
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Aaargh. Another Rachel Corrie thread. |
cali |
Mar-27-07 04:20 AM |
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How about those who . . |
msmcghee |
Mar-27-07 11:08 AM |
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Yeah, I'm Surprised No One Mentioned Her Burning An American Flag |
wellst0nev0ter |
Mar-27-07 05:18 PM |
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I served my country so |
TomClash |
Mar-27-07 09:30 PM |
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I Know |
wellst0nev0ter |
Mar-28-07 08:41 PM |
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Flags aren't sacred, people are... |
Tom Joad |
Mar-27-07 10:45 PM |
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I Wish More People Would Understand That Simple Concept (n/t) |
wellst0nev0ter |
Mar-28-07 08:42 PM |
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Put me down for... |
Shaktimaan |
Mar-27-07 09:09 PM |
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I saw the play Tuesday evening in Seattle. |
msmcghee |
Apr-05-07 10:02 AM |
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Thanks for the info. nt |
Phx_Dem |
Apr-05-07 10:17 AM |
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ok, I have a question... |
booley |
Apr-13-07 12:46 PM |
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That Rachel Corrie facts site is not operated by her supporters. |
breakaleg |
Apr-13-07 12:51 PM |
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I gathered that... |
booley |
Apr-13-07 01:01 PM |
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the bulldozer.. |
pelsar |
Apr-13-07 01:54 PM |
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Whatever. |
breakaleg |
Apr-13-07 01:55 PM |
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Zionist Federation? More like the Avigdor Lieberman fan club! |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-14-07 12:17 AM |
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Really? |
Shaktimaan |
Apr-14-07 12:42 AM |
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Really? |
Shaktimaan |
Apr-14-07 12:42 AM |
#109 |