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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #44
61. I agree-- the questions that arise however are
Are those all the facts?
Are those that one calls facts really facts or just conjecture?

I get pilloried by my students when I relay to them the data that they did not know about--especially if it destroys what they've been taught to believe...

It's a patient process we have to got through.

Like the old line of Pilate's from Jesus Christ Superstar: What is truth? Is truth unchanging law?
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  -Poll: Over 25% of Israeli Arabs say Holocaust never happened oberliner  Mar-18-07 05:57 PM   #0 
  - I believe it did happen.  Old Crusoe   Mar-18-07 06:00 PM   #1 
  - But is also said in the article that the sentiments about the Holocaust could be a  breakaleg   Mar-18-07 06:06 PM   #2 
  - That is no excuse. If anything it's worse.  cali   Mar-18-07 07:38 PM   #5 
     - What that survey tells me, is that there is tons of anger and resentment.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-19-07 06:25 AM   #17 
        - Sorry, that doesn't excuse  cali   Mar-19-07 07:05 AM   #18 
           - There are so many layers to this that I find fascinating.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-19-07 07:57 AM   #19 
              - I think the reasons are important.  breakaleg   Mar-19-07 08:24 AM   #20 
              - a holocaust museum in Nazetheth  pelsar   Mar-19-07 08:51 AM   #21 
                 - Taking responsibility is great.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-19-07 09:07 AM   #22 
                    - i dont think "apologising" is the answer for anyone  pelsar   Mar-19-07 11:32 AM   #23 
                       - we both know if Hamas recognized israel today  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-19-07 01:31 PM   #24 
  - Looks like no matter what the country about 30% of the population  cassiepriam   Mar-18-07 06:17 PM   #3 
  - Exactly What I Was Going To Say  lligrd   Mar-18-07 07:20 PM   #4 
  - Nope. The figure is higher amoung those with more  cali   Mar-18-07 07:41 PM   #6 
     - Fundamentalism?  ellisonz   Mar-18-07 08:12 PM   #7 
     - Were you expecting immortality?  msmcghee   Mar-18-07 08:41 PM   #8 
        - About it being a death cult version of religion?  ellisonz   Mar-18-07 09:13 PM   #10 
     - Could you explain something to me, Cali?  Bryan Sacks   Mar-19-07 11:12 PM   #32 
        - Regardless of Cali's answer to your question . .  msmcghee   Mar-19-07 11:54 PM   #33 
        - Bryan Sacks, where is your answer?  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 12:52 PM   #41 
        - I think there is a point where evidence is so overwhelming and compelling  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-20-07 12:31 AM   #34 
        - Self delete. Server problems. n/t  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 06:04 PM   #53 
        - I have never run into any sane person deny that . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 06:06 PM   #54 
           - there were hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses who do know what happened  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-20-07 06:54 PM   #55 
              - What you provide is evidence for one view . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 07:41 PM   #56 
              - I am impressed that 31% of Israeli Jews realize that expulsion of the Palestinians  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-20-07 08:36 PM   #58 
                 - Maybe you could give us a link to the . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 09:07 PM   #59 
                 - obviously I don't have the exact written testimony of ever single refugee  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-20-07 09:42 PM   #62 
                    - Douglas, you said . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 10:50 PM   #64 
                       - by any rational definition what transpired would have been called  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-21-07 07:42 AM   #69 
                          - Thanks for finally addressing the future solution instead . .  msmcghee   Mar-21-07 10:12 AM   #75 
                             - I absolutely agree the future is the issue  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-21-07 10:22 AM   #77 
                 - the israeli view is probably the most realistic...  pelsar   Mar-21-07 12:19 AM   #68 
                    - the Jerusalem Post (originally Palestine post until 1950) completely supported the Zionist forces  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-23-07 03:17 AM   #79 
              - Some additional thoughts.  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 07:53 PM   #57 
                 - a little balance....  pelsar   Mar-21-07 12:11 AM   #66 
                    - those particular newspapers were hardly a neutral source  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-21-07 07:51 AM   #71 
        - Look, I think the assertion that the Holocaust doesn't  cali   Mar-20-07 04:34 AM   #36 
        - Yeah, it is dangerous shit...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-07 08:00 AM   #38 
           - appreciate your answer, Cali. Thanks.  Bryan Sacks   Mar-20-07 02:24 PM   #42 
              - I see I wasn't so wrong about the . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 02:55 PM   #43 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-07 04:22 PM   #47 
                 - if people only knew the truth about the Palestinian people  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-20-07 04:56 PM   #48 
                 - I'd hate to take up too much of your time, but . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 05:15 PM   #49 
                    - Well, here's one misconception, for starters  Bryan Sacks   Mar-20-07 10:04 PM   #63 
                       - The topic of this sub-thread - and what I have been . .  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 11:34 PM   #65 
                          - My words? I quoted your words! Please re-read your post.  Bryan Sacks   Mar-21-07 10:47 AM   #78 
              - Well, of course one CAN say all sorts of things...  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-07 07:54 AM   #72 
                 - There are no absolutes; are you a Kantian about these things, or something?  Bryan Sacks   Mar-23-07 01:37 PM   #82 
        - I find this question puzzling  LeftishBrit   Mar-21-07 07:50 AM   #70 
           - It is not OK for those in a position of public trust to lie to their own people  Bryan Sacks   Mar-23-07 01:25 PM   #81 
  - I wonder what percentage of Israeli Jews say the Nakba never happened.  Tom Joad   Mar-18-07 08:45 PM   #9 
  - actually I did find a poll on that issue awhile ago  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-19-07 12:04 AM   #11 
  - "Quick! Look over there!"  Behind the Aegis   Mar-19-07 01:32 AM   #12 
  - Naw. Just a point about how  Shaktimaan   Mar-19-07 02:19 AM   #13 
  - His response was so predictable, it's laughable  leftynyc   Mar-19-07 04:59 AM   #14 
  - You don't disappoint.  cali   Mar-19-07 05:44 AM   #15 
  - They've gotta quit teaching Hate in their schools  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-19-07 06:15 AM   #16 
     - Anti-Semitic education persists in PA  oberliner   Mar-19-07 05:15 PM   #25 
        - The Myth of Incitement in Palestinian Textbooks by Hanan Ashrawi  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-19-07 06:51 PM   #26 
           - The myth of peace-promoting Palestinian textbooks, by HRC.  msmcghee   Mar-19-07 09:04 PM   #27 
           - Is that from FrontPageMag?  Englander   Mar-20-07 07:35 AM   #37 
           - I should have included the link. Sorry.  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 10:05 AM   #39 
              - A pro-Iraq war politician is not a credible source.  Tom Joad   Mar-20-07 05:41 PM   #50 
              - LOL!  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 05:46 PM   #52 
              - Not a fan of subtle humour, or satire, obviously?  Englander   Mar-21-07 08:01 AM   #73 
           - "You've Come A Long Way, Baby."  Englander   Mar-23-07 07:43 AM   #80 
           - Palestinian textbooks: Where is all that 'incitement'? International Herald Tribune  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-19-07 09:19 PM   #28 
           - These seem to be dated articles.  msmcghee   Mar-19-07 10:15 PM   #31 
           - Well, my money is on HRC...  Andromeda   Mar-20-07 01:59 AM   #35 
              - Lots of Israeli-PAC money on her too, obviously.  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-20-07 03:59 PM   #45 
              - That's all she cares about.  Tom Joad   Mar-20-07 05:42 PM   #51 
           - When giving public lectures, I've learned to have a copy of Nathan  Malikshah   Mar-19-07 09:55 PM   #29 
              - thank you. here is the link to Nathan Browns' detailed research  Douglas Carpenter   Mar-19-07 10:01 PM   #30 
                 - Thanks for the thanks, but they should go to Nathan Brown & others  Malikshah   Mar-20-07 10:39 AM   #40 
                    - Teaching facts would be helpful as well! n/t  ProgressiveMuslim   Mar-20-07 03:55 PM   #44 
                    - I agree-- the questions that arise however are  Malikshah   Mar-20-07 09:22 PM   #61 
                    - Sounds like you speak from experience.  msmcghee   Mar-20-07 04:05 PM   #46 
                       - Woozle wuzzle? You kind of lost me half way through with the permutations  Malikshah   Mar-20-07 09:19 PM   #60 
                          - Thanks for your views of the study of history.  msmcghee   Mar-21-07 12:12 AM   #67 
                             - I can see what you're saying-- Brown in my opinion though has  Malikshah   Mar-21-07 08:01 AM   #74 
                                - Thanks for your response.  msmcghee   Mar-21-07 10:17 AM   #76 

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