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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. no change of topic...just curious
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 01:04 PM by pelsar
if you would like we can go back to the previous one...i was just curious about your opinion...you can ask me anything about the conflict and i wont "flinch" or avoid it...

so if you have the same integrety i will ask again (and will answer yours after)

why do you think the palestinains didnt take advantage of israel leaving gaza and start working on improving their own society?

what "things in place" were missing?...the actual coordination of forces during the pullout was worked out before hand to prevent any misunderstandings.
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and in case it comes up again as it does for some reason or another every so often.....if i dont answer your question sufficiently, just clarify and ask again. If you think i'm avoiding it, mention that and i will understand that i didnt answer the point you were after.

if you think i've changed the topic for some nefarious reason mention it, and tell me what part i didnt answer, and i'll do my best to answer it.

heres what i think is a brilliant explanation of why only unilateral actions will work:
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=818
This research suggests that disputants may sometimes find it easier to make a particular concession unilaterally, on the grounds that it serves their self-interest, than to make the same concession in the context of bilateral negotiation.
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  -War Enters the Classrooms Violet_Crumble  Feb-09-07 10:47 PM   #0 
  - and the pathetic conclusion....  pelsar   Feb-09-07 11:52 PM   #1 
  - Since when has one teacher's personal opinion morphed into what the UN teaches??  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 12:34 AM   #2 
     - its a bad attitude...  pelsar   Feb-10-07 01:41 AM   #4 
        - They can't leave, they can't trade, they have no water to garden....  Porcupine   Feb-10-07 01:51 AM   #5 
        - mass non violent protests?  pelsar   Feb-10-07 01:58 AM   #6 
        - Remember Rachel Corrie?  Porcupine   Feb-10-07 02:43 AM   #7 
        - not much of a "massive protest"....  pelsar   Feb-10-07 03:29 AM   #8 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-07 03:52 AM   #9 
           - you confuse the larger political picture with individual tragedy..  pelsar   Feb-10-07 04:27 AM   #10 
              - Links to massive non violent protests?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:46 AM   #13 
                 - waiting for porcupine...  pelsar   Feb-10-07 04:57 AM   #14 
                    - You've already said what yr answer would be...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:25 PM   #50 
        - Play chicken with a bulldozer  Rage for Order   Feb-11-07 11:56 AM   #92 
           - True. But it happened in the US, the driver would be in jail for muder, not roaming the streets.  breakaleg   Feb-11-07 11:59 AM   #93 
        - Why do you think Palestinians must resist Israel? That would presuppose that Israel is doing  Tom Joad   Feb-10-07 10:12 AM   #16 
        - of course...  pelsar   Feb-10-07 10:38 AM   #19 
           - Are you involved in non-violent demonstrations then?  Tom Joad   Feb-10-07 11:01 AM   #23 
              - nope.....  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:26 AM   #25 
                 - Then don't demand that others protest...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:56 PM   #55 
        - Try the first intifada ...  cool user name   Feb-10-07 10:53 AM   #21 
        - intifada I  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:58 AM   #29 
           - Not all of it was violent ... the first intifada was mainly non-violent.  cool user name   Feb-10-07 01:22 PM   #39 
              - not aware of the violence?  pelsar   Feb-10-07 01:41 PM   #43 
        - Pelsar, I see you jumped on one aspect of the post you responded to but ignored the rest.  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 11:02 AM   #24 
           - no problem  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:44 AM   #26 
              - So, it's their fault, not Israel's. Since Israel is the occupying power and they  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 12:03 PM   #32 
                 - yes the palestinians have a lot of responsability....  pelsar   Feb-10-07 12:26 PM   #33 
                    - It seems that  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 12:31 PM   #34 
                       - so explain...as best you can....  pelsar   Feb-10-07 12:34 PM   #35 
                          - Why was the pullout made unilaterally?  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 12:45 PM   #36 
                             - no change of topic...just curious  pelsar   Feb-10-07 12:54 PM   #37 
                                - The link you gave....  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 02:39 PM   #45 
                                   - its the taba agreement.....  pelsar   Feb-10-07 02:56 PM   #46 
                                      - don't think so.  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 03:09 PM   #47 
                                         - so israel shouldnt have pulled out?  pelsar   Feb-10-07 03:41 PM   #48 
                                            - No.  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 04:42 PM   #51 
                                               - so the the aftermath is irrelevant to you?  pelsar   Feb-10-07 10:53 PM   #78 
                                               - Who are you (or any of us) to tell another group of people how to live?  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 11:03 PM   #80 
                                               - because its a matter of life and death...ours  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:10 PM   #81 
                                               - It's also a matter of life and death for the Palestinians, pelsar...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-07 12:34 AM   #86 
                                               - i just have a preference ....as do you.  pelsar   Feb-11-07 02:44 AM   #87 
                                               - I prefer neither Israelis nor Palestinians be killed...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-07 04:34 AM   #90 
                                               - so do i...but that doesnt change the situation does it?  pelsar   Feb-11-07 05:41 AM   #91 
                                               - and it was just getting interesting...  pelsar   Feb-11-07 11:50 PM   #96 
        - Apache Helicopter gunships have been used on Palestinian protests,  Tom Joad   Feb-10-07 10:15 AM   #17 
           - "massive non violence demonstrations  pelsar   Feb-10-07 10:40 AM   #20 
              - Here you go ...  cool user name   Feb-10-07 11:01 AM   #22 
                 - you've got to be kidding?  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:54 AM   #28 
                    - I provided a few links to start you on your way ...  cool user name   Feb-10-07 01:20 PM   #38 
                       - 3 links...one was to a violent demonstration  pelsar   Feb-10-07 01:32 PM   #41 
                       - About Bil'in: Judge: Troops at fence protest were more violent than protesters  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:04 PM   #56 
                          - what does the word "more" mean to you?  Shaktimaan   Feb-10-07 09:35 PM   #77 
                             - What does this sentence mean to you?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-07 12:30 AM   #84 
                                - fair enough.  Shaktimaan   Feb-11-07 05:44 PM   #94 
                       - not trying to be nit picking here, really.  Shaktimaan   Feb-10-07 06:15 PM   #72 
        - Could you point out where that bit was in the article?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:43 AM   #12 
           - I made an assumption based on:  pelsar   Feb-10-07 05:21 AM   #15 
              - No, you made a false claim...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:46 PM   #52 
                 - and you just made the same claim....  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:01 PM   #79 
                    - No I didn't. You claimed the article was stating school curriculum..  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-07 12:27 AM   #83 
  - mis-statement in the article  oberliner   Feb-10-07 01:10 AM   #3 
  - Got any more nitpicking handy?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:33 AM   #11 
  - Wording makes a difference  oberliner   Feb-10-07 11:51 AM   #27 
     - Sometimes it does, in this case it didn't...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 04:51 PM   #53 
        - I'll concede the point  oberliner   Feb-10-07 07:06 PM   #73 
  - Because Israel never allowed Palestinian refugees to return to their homes,  Tom Joad   Feb-10-07 10:19 AM   #18 
     - The Palestinian exception  oberliner   Feb-10-07 11:59 AM   #30 
     - May I ask why  ZacharyG   Feb-10-07 12:03 PM   #31 
        - May I ask why Diaspora Jews have a right to "return" though many don't have any ties to the land?  cool user name   Feb-10-07 01:24 PM   #40 
        - Ask whatever you want  ZacharyG   Feb-10-07 01:34 PM   #42 
        - I see someone else has answered yr question, so how about answering the question you got asked?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:05 PM   #57 
           - Nobody answered my question  ZacharyG   Feb-10-07 05:12 PM   #60 
              - The definition is the answer...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:17 PM   #61 
              - I never said I agree with Israel's immigration policy  ZacharyG   Feb-10-07 05:23 PM   #62 
                 - I never said you did agree, but now I'm going to ask you if you do agree with it...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:33 PM   #65 
              - Link  Phx_Dem   Feb-10-07 05:43 PM   #68 
                 - Did you bother reading that?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 06:14 PM   #71 
                    - Of course I read it  Phx_Dem   Feb-10-07 07:18 PM   #74 
                       - It's pro-Israeli propaganda...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 09:02 PM   #76 
        - Every country has it's own immigration policy  Phx_Dem   Feb-10-07 04:55 PM   #54 
           - 'What do you care if they are using "biblical authority"?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:07 PM   #58 
              - Your oversimplifying  Phx_Dem   Feb-10-07 05:25 PM   #63 
                 - No I'm not...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:28 PM   #64 
                    - Israeli citizenship is given to non-jews all the time  Phx_Dem   Feb-10-07 05:38 PM   #66 
                       - Go back and read the original question...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:42 PM   #67 
                          - Israels immigration policy is their business  Phx_Dem   Feb-10-07 05:57 PM   #69 
                             - So you keep on saying...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 06:01 PM   #70 
        - It's defined that way by the UN.  breakaleg   Feb-10-07 01:57 PM   #44 
  - I believe this thread is pointless. It's a dead issue.  Porcupine   Feb-10-07 03:59 PM   #49 
     - I'm pretty disgusted with the direction some took in this thread...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-07 05:08 PM   #59 
        - Blame never put food on the table. nt.  Porcupine   Feb-10-07 08:24 PM   #75 
           - it was those "massive non violent protests...  pelsar   Feb-10-07 11:24 PM   #82 
              - Can't you take this crap to another thread?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-07 12:33 AM   #85 
                 - its not about blaming...  pelsar   Feb-11-07 03:33 AM   #88 
                    - No, every post of yrs in this thread has played the Blame Game...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-07 04:31 AM   #89 
                       - if you call "blame" asking for the truth/proof...then yes...  pelsar   Feb-11-07 11:44 PM   #95 
 

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