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Fri Jan-05-07 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #40 |
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Gaza is a tiny piece of land, that a few thousand settlers lived in. It was not a bedroom community to any major Israeli cities. too many troops were required to keep a few thousand ideologues safe.
As with Southern Lebanon, the price became too high to maintain.
The Israeli government knew full well that by forcing the settlers to leave, they'd leave behind chaos they'd be able to point to for the next 2 decades.
It is indeed chaotic. Of course the fact that Israel illegally withholds VAT due Palestinians, the fact that Israel and the US have isolated Hamas and basically IGNORED A DEMOCRATIC ELECTION haven't exactly helped matters.
Why don't you guys give them their money, leave them alone for 2 years and see what they can do? Maybe they'll be bums and the people of Gaza and the WB will kick them out of office next time.
Israel and the US telling the Palestinians: YOU CAN'T BE REPPED BY HAMAS just makes them more attractive. Let them try and fail without your help.
I believe that's what Israel and the US would do if peace were goal....
... but I don't believe peace is!
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| -Ted Honderich's "Right and Wrong and Palestine, 9-11, Iraq, 7-7" review by Swanson |
papau |
Dec-31-06 01:48 PM |
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Dec-31-06 01:58 PM |
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"A little bit of sarcasm intended" - and understood - but the book is a good one on |
papau |
Dec-31-06 11:07 PM |
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Palestinians use nonviolent resistance all the time, and they are an |
Tom Joad |
Jan-02-07 01:27 AM |
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Jan-01-07 01:00 AM |
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Where in that post do i support violence? |
Tom Joad |
Jan-01-07 06:02 PM |
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Jan-02-07 12:26 AM |
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I was being sarcastic, and said that if Israel was such a benovolent nation |
Tom Joad |
Jan-02-07 01:13 AM |
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i apologies.. |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 04:18 AM |
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There is no democracy in Military Occupation! |
Tom Joad |
Jan-02-07 08:55 AM |
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there are still rules..... |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 10:02 AM |
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The land lost to Palestinians was great between the 2 intifadahs. |
Tom Joad |
Jan-02-07 12:10 PM |
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and gaza... |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 03:01 PM |
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How do you figure? |
breakaleg |
Jan-02-07 03:05 PM |
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who is "they".. |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 03:16 PM |
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Israel. Since you haven't addressed my post, I'll take that as agreement. |
breakaleg |
Jan-02-07 03:21 PM |
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that the settlements expanded? |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 03:25 PM |
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Yet if they intended to withdraw from that land, why expand them now? |
breakaleg |
Jan-02-07 03:42 PM |
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reverse the question.... |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 03:53 PM |
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I stand by my water claim, as you put it. |
breakaleg |
Jan-02-07 04:18 PM |
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yes.... |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 05:17 PM |
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Those quotes in your post - who are you quoting? Because you'd better not |
breakaleg |
Jan-02-07 05:34 PM |
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What are your ideas for a peaceful resolution to this conflict? |
oberliner |
Jan-02-07 05:52 PM |
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Israel needs to pull out of the occupied territories and give Palestinians their own state. |
breakaleg |
Jan-02-07 06:08 PM |
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israel is not benevolent... |
pelsar |
Jan-03-07 04:11 AM |
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Israeli soldiers teach Palestinian children to hate. |
Tom Joad |
Jan-02-07 03:15 PM |
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the palestenian mosques teach hate.... |
pelsar |
Jan-02-07 03:23 PM |
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this "teaching hate" BS has got to end! |
idontwantaname |
Jan-02-07 07:23 PM |
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theres a difference |
pelsar |
Jan-03-07 04:20 AM |
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ah, but thats TV and hamas... |
idontwantaname |
Jan-04-07 06:28 PM |
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but that is part of the landscape now |
pelsar |
Jan-05-07 12:10 AM |
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it still matters why |
idontwantaname |
Jan-05-07 08:52 AM |
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Pelsar it is flat-out disingenous to |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-04-07 06:03 PM |
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Do read post #34 |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-04-07 09:33 PM |
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I know |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-05-07 05:13 AM |
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And? |
Behind the Aegis |
Jan-05-07 12:44 PM |
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a reality show?.... |
pelsar |
Jan-04-07 11:27 PM |
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The land grab excuse was not shown to be false! All those show is that |
breakaleg |
Jan-04-07 11:56 PM |
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and you? |
pelsar |
Jan-05-07 12:09 AM |
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How the heck would I know why? All I know is settlements speak for themselves. |
breakaleg |
Jan-05-07 12:19 AM |
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thats your answer? |
pelsar |
Jan-05-07 12:26 AM |
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Well, |
breakaleg |
Jan-05-07 12:33 AM |
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i dont see the difference between gaza and the westbank |
pelsar |
Jan-05-07 12:58 AM |
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The difference is this: |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-05-07 05:24 AM |
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i thought you wanted israel to leave gaza? |
pelsar |
Jan-05-07 08:15 AM |
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The fact that Israel occassionally is forced to give land back |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-05-07 05:17 AM |
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i would expect them to hate us... |
pelsar |
Jan-05-07 07:58 AM |
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Jan-02-07 12:04 PM |
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Jan-01-07 07:09 PM |
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It should be unsurprising that the Palestinians use violent resistance. |
Poll_Blind |
Jan-01-07 04:31 AM |
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its not a matter of 'being right" |
pelsar |
Jan-01-07 04:45 AM |
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It's not my moral equivalence. If, as I said, Israel were in the same... |
Poll_Blind |
Jan-01-07 05:32 AM |
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well we hope that is now changing ..... |
pelsar |
Jan-01-07 10:09 AM |
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It worked pretty well in Southern Lebanon. n/t |
ProgressiveMuslim |
Jan-05-07 07:11 AM |
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