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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-06-06 02:05 PM
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6. That definition
is why I think it's an imperfect fit. There are over 1 million Arab Israelis, most of them Palestinian. Although there is undoubtedly prejudice against them, there is no governmental sysem of apartheid within Israeli proper.

The occupation is indeed a horror, and I actually have no objection to President Carter using apartheid as a label, but I don't think it quite fits.
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  -'Apartheid' label doesn't fit Mideast furman  Dec-06-06 01:24 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 01:44 PM   #1 
  - You think *that* is a "better fit?"  Behind the Aegis   Dec-06-06 01:45 PM   #2 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 02:37 PM   #14 
        - you don't call walling in communities with 22 foot concrete walls and not allowing commerce what,..?...  sam sarrha   Dec-06-06 06:40 PM   #33 
  - bogus argument....  mike_c   Dec-06-06 01:53 PM   #3 
  - That definition  cali   Dec-06-06 02:05 PM   #6 
  - President Carter was specific  satireV   Dec-06-06 02:09 PM   #9 
  - Perhaps you did not read my post  cali   Dec-06-06 02:21 PM   #12 
  - what would you call this...?  mike_c   Dec-06-06 03:14 PM   #16 
     - cali posted a reply to the OP  Phx_Dem   Dec-07-06 07:00 PM   #36 
        - I was responding to the assertion that Israel does not oppress...  mike_c   Dec-07-06 08:46 PM   #37 
  - The Israeli system of dispossession is much worse than South Africa  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 02:11 PM   #10 
  - Palestinian apartheid is many times more egregious than S Africa..  sam sarrha   Dec-06-06 01:54 PM   #4 
  - What is your source for this information?  BonnieJW   Dec-06-06 02:01 PM   #5 
  - one only needs to check any credible and independent human rights organization  Douglas Carpenter   Dec-06-06 02:08 PM   #8 
  - go to and look up Jummy Carter's interview.. it is archived there..  sam sarrha   Dec-06-06 06:37 PM   #31 
  - What a mish mash or lies  cali   Dec-06-06 02:08 PM   #7 
     - go to and look up Jummy Carter's interview.. it is archived there..  sam sarrha   Dec-06-06 06:36 PM   #30 
  - No matter how many of these cute little posts we get slamming Carter,  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 02:18 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 02:29 PM   #13 
  - Why do you bring up ISM and falsely accuse it of being a  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 03:03 PM   #15 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 04:02 PM   #18 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 04:35 PM   #19 
           - Facts are facts  furman   Dec-06-06 04:43 PM   #20 
              - Hate sites are hate sites. Do remember the rules we live by here.  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 04:49 PM   #21 
              - You think Dr. Bard writes on hate sites?  furman   Dec-06-06 05:01 PM   #22 
                 - I was referring to the stoptheism website only. eom  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 05:07 PM   #23 
                    - stoptheism exposes disturbing facts on the ISM but that does not make it a "hate site"  furman   Dec-06-06 05:35 PM   #25 
                       - You might understand that the Franklin list is NOT exhaustive.  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 06:00 PM   #27 
                       - I don't think the Franklin list is exhaustive, either.  IntiRaymi   Dec-07-06 03:04 PM   #35 
                       - The article you site also quotes Kaplan, the JDL member.  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 06:08 PM   #28 
                       - that is my last post with you. What good is it to debate someone who  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 06:09 PM   #29 
                       - Comment  Lithos   Dec-07-06 11:45 PM   #38 
              - Learn the difference between fact and opinion...  Violet_Crumble   Dec-06-06 05:17 PM   #24 
                 - I wish these mindless rebuttals to Carter's statements would change the facts on the  Tom Joad   Dec-06-06 05:43 PM   #26 
                    - Very True.  Shaktimaan   Jan-04-07 02:55 AM   #39 
                       - question of "race"  idontwantaname   Jan-04-07 03:07 AM   #40 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 03:33 PM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-06-06 06:38 PM   #32 
     - That's 'cuz we're so special.  Lurking Dem   Dec-06-06 08:55 PM   #34 
  - Considering that Mandela himself thinks that Israel maintains an apartheid  IndianaGreen   Jan-04-07 09:05 PM   #41 
  - "Apartheid" is not unique  rman   Jan-08-07 06:20 AM   #42 
     - What is apartheid? A + part + heid  edelsman   Jan-08-07 12:45 PM   #43 
     - "apartheid" is a Dutch word that means "separation"  rman   Jan-08-07 01:28 PM   #48 
        - segregation vs. separation  edelsman   Jan-08-07 03:36 PM   #53 
     - I would hope that Mandela's opinion would carry some weight as he certainly know what he's  breakaleg   Jan-08-07 12:54 PM   #44 
     - See post #45...this was not written by Nelson Mandela n/t  furman   Jan-08-07 01:21 PM   #46 
        - Thanks for that link. I was not aware.  breakaleg   Jan-08-07 01:26 PM   #47 
     - This "memo" was not written by Nelson Mandela, it was by a founder of Electronic Intifada  furman   Jan-08-07 01:20 PM   #45 
        - Still Mandela supports the cause of the Palestinian people  rman   Jan-08-07 01:41 PM   #49 
        - Nelson Mandela on Israeli Withdrawal  furman   Jan-08-07 01:51 PM   #50 
           - Virtual Lies. Sorry, when Israel illegalizes Palesitnians from even traveling  Tom Joad   Jan-08-07 03:26 PM   #51 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-08-07 03:33 PM   #52 
           - Mandala opposes the terror of the Israeli state, that is quite clear, and supports a  Tom Joad   Jan-08-07 05:27 PM   #57 
           - Tom Joad, run this google query, and then retract your "Virtual Lies" smear  furman   Jan-08-07 03:56 PM   #54 
           - None of those quotes is dated. None has the context of the alleged quote.  Tom Joad   Jan-08-07 05:19 PM   #56 
           - Here is an excerpt of the article with the quote from the Associated Press Archive site  oberliner   Jan-09-07 04:23 AM   #61 
           - NYT archives, if anyone wants to see what is said there -  Englander   Jan-09-07 06:48 AM   #66 
           - Here's the article the quote is taken from, with the context.  Englander   Jan-09-07 06:35 AM   #65 
           - For goodness sake, I can find fake quotes from Ben Gurion on multiple sites...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-09-07 03:21 AM   #60 
              - You can confirm the quote by searching the AP archives  oberliner   Jan-09-07 04:34 AM   #62 
           - Mandela pledged solidarity with Yasser Arafat, the arch-terrorist committed to destruction of Israel  furman   Jan-08-07 04:29 PM   #55 
              - Funny, one minute you are quoting Mandala, then you are condemning him.  Tom Joad   Jan-08-07 05:30 PM   #58 
           - And the rest -  Englander   Jan-09-07 06:31 AM   #64 
        - But Nelson Mandela does think it's apartheid...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-09-07 03:17 AM   #59 
           - delete  rman   Jan-09-07 05:30 AM   #63 
           - And so does the former Education Minister of Israel, so i think this case is closed.  Tom Joad   Jan-09-07 12:51 PM   #67 

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