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Fri Sep-15-06 09:59 PM
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Violet: "If you'd read the editorial I posted from the Australian, they did, though they came up with a conclusion that there was no reason to believe that the actual events had happened as reported..."
And therefore we should believe that the events happened as reported . . and not believe a bunch of conspiracy theorists. Pretty funny.
BTW - what conspiracy theory. No-one here has proposed any conspiracy. We have just pointed out - in meticulous detail - using logic and reason and the evidence reported by the Lebanese - how the events could not be as they reported them.
And your Aussie newspaper agrees with our conclusion.
You still have offered no plausible reason (nor any reason) why no group or government in the world, not even Lebanon whose ambulances were supposedly attacked by Israeli weapons of some sort - is pursuing Israel for war crimes over this event.
Is it that hard to admit that you are wrong?
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| -The readers' editor on ... charges of an anti-Israel hoax in south Lebanon |
Taxloss |
Sep-13-06 09:29 AM |
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Given that use of the clusterbombs |
edwardlindy |
Sep-13-06 09:43 AM |
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Says much about what i have to put up with here in california... |
Tom Joad |
Sep-13-06 09:53 AM |
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Here is a nugget from today: |
bemildred |
Sep-13-06 11:00 AM |
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except those who understand explosives.... |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 11:59 AM |
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Of course i have no expertise in explosives, never been part of |
Tom Joad |
Sep-13-06 12:11 PM |
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Someone's opinion that the debunking was itself a hoax, |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 12:15 PM |
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You dont have to be an expert... |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 12:25 PM |
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Website racism? No, just considering the source. |
Tom Joad |
Sep-13-06 12:28 PM |
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DU does not consider zombietime to be a worthy source... |
Tom Joad |
Sep-13-06 12:36 PM |
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You may be successful getting this one locked too. |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 12:44 PM |
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I think the article Guardian is reliable, and he does a better job |
Tom Joad |
Sep-13-06 12:50 PM |
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Yes, he does a better job than you. And . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 01:00 PM |
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Zombie reasonable? |
Scurrilous |
Sep-13-06 02:28 PM |
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Yet you still can offer no evidence . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 02:48 PM |
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To each his own. |
Scurrilous |
Sep-13-06 03:34 PM |
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I prefer to believe the evidence - not any "side". n/t |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 03:45 PM |
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whats so difficult here.... |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 04:14 PM |
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what was written in the article? |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 01:02 PM |
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i read al jazeer... |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 12:41 PM |
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Obviously it did not explode. It happens. |
oblivious |
Sep-13-06 07:10 PM |
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Then where is it? Where is the unexploded missile? |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 07:36 PM |
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Wait a minute. In post 7 you asked why the vehicle wasn't a flaming wreck |
oblivious |
Sep-13-06 08:56 PM |
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i understand that |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 01:37 PM |
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This was posted already. |
breakaleg |
Sep-13-06 09:55 AM |
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it was obvious...... |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 11:56 AM |
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I hardly think one need work very hard to demonize Israel... |
breakaleg |
Sep-13-06 02:11 PM |
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if true, then why compound it with lies and deceit? |
Behind the Aegis |
Sep-13-06 02:31 PM |
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Thanks for posting this. I haven't seen it before. |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 11:34 AM |
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I think the answer to your last question is: |
Spinoza |
Sep-13-06 12:00 PM |
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Why aren't you reponding directly to the Guardian article, and only |
Tom Joad |
Sep-13-06 12:57 PM |
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See # 18 above. |
msmcghee |
Sep-13-06 01:03 PM |
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I think we know the answer to that one. |
Englander |
Sep-13-06 01:14 PM |
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so then you can try.... |
pelsar |
Sep-13-06 02:10 PM |
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Amazing... |
newyorican |
Sep-13-06 04:12 PM |
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sorry, but Israel does have a long record of attacking emergency medical |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-14-06 05:00 AM |
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so did the massacre at jenin... |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 01:30 PM |
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but HRW did report very serious war crimes at Jenin which included |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-14-06 05:02 PM |
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that was not your question ....now was it? |
pelsar |
Sep-15-06 02:52 AM |
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In other words, a massacre. |
Englander |
Sep-15-06 06:30 AM |
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Empurpled Prose, Sir, Does Not A Massacre Make |
The Magistrate |
Sep-15-06 10:37 AM |
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Speaking of empurpled prose and propaganda... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 04:50 PM |
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That Fellow, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Sep-15-06 08:09 PM |
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That fellow didn't do anything of the sort... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 08:15 PM |
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The Sharpeville 'massacre' and other non-massacres... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 10:16 PM |
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Several Small Points, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Sep-18-06 07:42 PM |
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also in the HRW... |
pelsar |
Sep-16-06 03:23 AM |
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This 'hoax' got a lot of coverage over here... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-14-06 07:32 AM |
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great work |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-14-06 07:43 AM |
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Thanks n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-14-06 07:47 AM |
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the only reasonable aspect... |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 08:00 AM |
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And what about the rust? |
Lurking Dem |
Sep-14-06 08:09 AM |
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Did you bother reading any of my post? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-14-06 08:13 AM |
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Pelsar, I suggest reading this thread... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-14-06 08:20 AM |
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i didnt see an answer... |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 08:33 AM |
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Here's a link to it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-14-06 08:41 AM |
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it best to copy my whole quote...not half-its more honest |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 10:21 AM |
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Pelsar, you've made the claim repeatedly in this thread... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 03:32 AM |
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your confusing what i believe with "my mind is made up" |
pelsar |
Sep-15-06 05:46 AM |
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No, I'm not confusing it at all... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 04:33 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-15-06 05:19 PM |
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No, he has not answered my question... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 05:36 PM |
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I have no idea why my careful reply . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 06:50 PM |
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As the moderators. They'll explain why yr post was deleted... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 07:51 PM |
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I read somewhere... |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-06 07:29 PM |
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There was a Viper A/G missile produced in the early '70s.. |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 07:40 PM |
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Thanks, I might go do some reading about those systems.. |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 08:05 PM |
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this is logic? |
pelsar |
Sep-15-06 08:34 PM |
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Yes, it's logical... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 08:40 PM |
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You keep coming up with "yes buts . . " . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 08:52 PM |
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Actually, I don't. neither do I have a premise... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 09:21 PM |
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I have probably written more than a thousand . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 09:32 PM |
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You could write 10,000 words... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 09:50 PM |
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Hmmm |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 09:59 PM |
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I made a massive typo in my post... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 10:28 PM |
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When I ask . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 10:39 PM |
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There appears to be some confusion on yr part... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-06 01:10 AM |
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Have you got a link to the Amnesty International report? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 09:58 PM |
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Here it is. |
msmcghee |
Sep-15-06 10:04 PM |
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Thanks. I'll have a read through it this afternoon n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 10:32 PM |
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I read the AI report... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-17-06 12:27 AM |
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so logic is based on speed of reply? |
pelsar |
Sep-16-06 03:07 AM |
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Huh?? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-16-06 04:44 PM |
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then explain your logic: |
pelsar |
Sep-17-06 12:52 AM |
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I already have... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-17-06 02:56 AM |
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unofficial and private are exactly that.... |
pelsar |
Sep-17-06 03:14 AM |
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Who said anything about the IDF lying?? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-17-06 03:33 AM |
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Correction... |
Scurrilous |
Sep-16-06 01:23 AM |
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This is interesting but I'm not sure how it applies here. |
msmcghee |
Sep-16-06 10:24 AM |
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To check further, I found the following . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-16-06 01:34 PM |
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i make up my mind via reason and logic... |
pelsar |
Sep-15-06 08:18 PM |
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That's very doubtful... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 08:27 PM |
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my discussion is not with zombietimes.... |
pelsar |
Sep-15-06 08:32 PM |
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Yr discussion is with me, isn't it? |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-15-06 08:45 PM |
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Good compilation, Vi. |
Englander |
Sep-14-06 08:42 AM |
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Yeah, I already knew there's no convincing the *True Believers* |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-14-06 08:51 AM |
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give me somthing.... |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 10:38 AM |
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Yeah, kudos to The Australian for being objective. |
Englander |
Sep-15-06 02:03 AM |
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Zombietime's seriesly hugh scoop didn't get much play in the U.S. |
Scurrilous |
Sep-15-06 02:42 AM |
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you asked (i didnt see this before....) |
pelsar |
Sep-15-06 03:13 AM |
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This thread is becoming very cumbersome... |
Violet_Crumble |
Sep-17-06 12:40 AM |
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This whole ridiculous accusation can be answered easily. |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 11:21 AM |
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OK - Are those in this thread accusing Israel of war-crimes . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 02:43 PM |
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Your questions-- |
Spinoza |
Sep-14-06 05:10 PM |
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Delete / dupe |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 05:17 PM |
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Hey, take it easy. |
Spinoza |
Sep-14-06 05:29 PM |
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Thanks for explaining that. Really. |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 05:50 PM |
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I do. (Use ignore, that is). |
Englander |
Sep-15-06 03:45 AM |
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What is really becoming annoying is when . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 05:18 PM |
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Since I responded to your deleted duplicate message, |
Spinoza |
Sep-14-06 05:35 PM |
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Information on War Crimes committed by Israeli forces |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-14-06 05:23 PM |
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You posted that before. |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 05:46 PM |
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every credible independent human rights organization in the world |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-14-06 05:50 PM |
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As I said . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 05:57 PM |
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it is ludicrous to believe that all these many human rights organization |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-14-06 06:23 PM |
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It far more ludicrious to believe . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 06:27 PM |
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I just hope everyone decides to read a broad cross section of |
Douglas Carpenter |
Sep-15-06 01:36 AM |
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Delete / dupe - what's going on DU? |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 05:58 PM |
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The question is whether the IDF deliberately targeted Red Cross ambulances |
oblivious |
Sep-14-06 06:13 PM |
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You did (miss something). |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 06:18 PM |
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I disagree that hitting the exact centre necessarily means intent. |
oblivious |
Sep-14-06 07:15 PM |
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Certainly, this must be an example . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 07:20 PM |
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No sarcasm. Of course the pic looks bad, but are bombs THAT accurate? |
oblivious |
Sep-14-06 07:30 PM |
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normally one wouldnt know.... |
pelsar |
Sep-14-06 09:01 PM |
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Can you show me where, in this thread, someone issued a charge of |
breakaleg |
Sep-14-06 06:33 PM |
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The accounts of the incident itself . . that are being . . |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 06:46 PM |
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that's weak.... |
breakaleg |
Sep-14-06 07:10 PM |
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No, you said, |
msmcghee |
Sep-14-06 07:24 PM |
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Me? you are confused. |
breakaleg |
Sep-14-06 07:34 PM |
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