Reply #25: as defined as a "pro israeli apologist....

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i suspect i am one of those that many claim that i "unable to see the other side".....actually i am only too aware of the "other side" having been one of those that would enter Palestinian houses at 2:00am and see the fear on the children's faces....

but what i have discovered here is an inability by many of the "pro Palestinians" to actually finish a discussion with me when the fears that israelis have are discussed or to have "dismissed" as insignificant aspects that are very important to us...That i find most interesting of all...and very telling of them "seeing the other side".

What one gets here are general denunciations of israeli policies, some of which are well deserved....but thats where it usually ends. Any attempts i make to delve into the details, the options are usually met with .....end of discussion (there are one or two exceptions from time to time, and infact an interesting one is going on with "Douglas Carpenter" about hamas/fatah and their society http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x146459#147235).

for instance, and perhaps i can be helped out here: a typical discussion ender is when i inquire as to israeli options if israel does pull back to 67 (or whatever the end negotiations consist of)...and the kassams continue.... This is probably the most important question on the minds of most israelis, yet in this forum it has yet to be discussed.

in the years that i have been here, one "pro Palestinian poster, actually said that "she/he" has no answer....the honesty was appreciated.

i have received recently: i've already answered that (not true) and "In fact I've humored you more today than I usually allow myself." Both show disdain for the israeli citizen, as if they're worries are of no consequence.

another one perhaps closer to todays date: what should israel do about the kassams flying out of gaza.....many have called them "no more than spit balls, or inconsequential. both remarks express disdain for the israelis living under constant attack. Israel has tried multiple options, none of which seem to work, all have been condemned here, but viable real options?....have yet to see one expressed here, or even discussed.

There have been some answers: but always the general, israel must pull back etc, nothing that addresses the immediate issue of kassam and potentially katushas coming out of gaza....real worries of the israeli citizen.

Many times israeli civil society is discussed....it obvious of little interest to many here, palestenain society and its implications on the future, though again for us israelis thats the key to a peaceful future. The lack of interest in itself is quite interesting as well, as if the palestenian citizens civil rights in terms of his/her own society is of little consequence, nobodies business or simple isnt relevant. We see it quite differently, however lack of interest here maybe no more than that, people simply arent interested in "Palestenian citizens within their own society"-a bit strange for a "progressive forum" but ok, if no one is interested, i can accept it.

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for those who claim us israelis dont see the "other side"..... i would like to see the issues that worry israelis addressed in a serious manner, otherwise its pretty clear to us, that its the "pro Palestinians" that cant see the "other side".