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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-28-06 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. it's an ad hominem attack because...
Edited on Mon Aug-28-06 08:48 PM by mike_c
...I noted that Israel was equally able to resolve this conflict peacefully-- and by taking the same route to a prisoner exchange that Hiz'bollah had available-- and the DUer responded by seeking to discredit the point by attacking me-- and clumsily, in the vein of "do you still beat your wife?" You did the same in your first sentence, trying to make the issue about me rather than the real matter at hand.

What *I* think about Kuntar isn't relevant. At the time I wrote that yesterday he was being mentioned as a possible principal in a prisoner exchange. As I've said in other threads, maybe even down thread in this one, Israel has every right to reject any negotiations for Goldwasser and Regev. I'm not advocating that they release Kuntar, nor am I advocating that they refuse. The Israeli gov't has choices constrained by the situation-- among those are choices that will lead to a reduction in violence in the present instance and choices which will have the opposite effect. Many of those choices are shared by Hiz'bollah. Both parties have some degree of SHARED control over the situation and responsibility for the outcome-- that bears remembering, and was the point of my first response in this thread.

As to the matter of ill will-- I am very critical of Israel's actions in this conflict and in the occupied territories, but I do my best to discuss the matter civilly-- in other words, debating ideas, not attacking individuals. I too occasionally cross the line and say something snippy-- and usually regret it when my head is cooler. I see some examples in this thread, for that matter. But I've learned that there really is little to be gained by using this forum as a bully pulpit or a soapbox-- it's far more useful as a place for honest and respectful debate.
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  -Nasrallah: We wouldn't have snatched soldiers if we thought spindrifter  Aug-27-06 06:01 PM   #0 
  - he is so full of it!  Behind the Aegis   Aug-27-06 06:03 PM   #1 
  - Obviously stopping the disaster in progress by  igil   Aug-27-06 06:06 PM   #3 
  - exactly. Nasrualah could have ended this before it began...  maalak   Aug-27-06 06:10 PM   #4 
     - as could Israel by releasing the Lebanese prisoners it holds....  mike_c   Aug-27-06 06:21 PM   #6 
        - But the violence against Israel was?  aquart   Aug-27-06 06:49 PM   #11 
        - again, there's not much to be gained by mockery...  mike_c   Aug-27-06 06:55 PM   #13 
        - Uh....  eyl   Aug-28-06 10:18 AM   #38 
        - Admire Kuntar much, do we?  igil   Aug-28-06 03:40 PM   #42 
           - puh-leese....  mike_c   Aug-28-06 05:46 PM   #45 
              - would you judge him for bashing in the head of a 4 year old girl?  maalak   Aug-28-06 06:04 PM   #46 
              - sure, and I'd like him even more if he ate live kittens every day....  mike_c   Aug-28-06 06:32 PM   #47 
                 - joking about the murder of an Israeli child...  maalak   Aug-28-06 06:40 PM   #48 
                    - well what do you expect? Either discuss this without seeking...  mike_c   Aug-28-06 07:02 PM   #49 
              - And yet you want him free.  igil   Aug-28-06 07:10 PM   #50 
                 - it's an ad hominem attack because...  mike_c   Aug-28-06 08:44 PM   #51 
  - Well, at least he can admit to a mistake  lapauvre   Aug-28-06 04:47 PM   #43 
  - maybe Hezbollah will think about other alternatives...  maalak   Aug-27-06 06:04 PM   #2 
  - Hassan Nasrallah: Swell Fellow  MannyGoldstein   Aug-27-06 06:20 PM   #5 
  - you know, the problem here is that in democratic countries...  mike_c   Aug-27-06 06:52 PM   #12 
     - the right to express hateful opinions?  maalak   Aug-27-06 07:05 PM   #14 
        - of course....  mike_c   Aug-27-06 07:31 PM   #17 
           - if Hezbollah doesn't disarm, they are in violation of the cease-fire.  maalak   Aug-27-06 07:53 PM   #20 
           - then the ceasefire doesn't have much of a chance, does it...?  mike_c   Aug-27-06 07:57 PM   #21 
              - that's up to Hezbollah and Lebanon...  maalak   Aug-27-06 08:07 PM   #22 
              - Evidence Please  MannyGoldstein   Aug-27-06 08:09 PM   #23 
              - ok, how's this for starters?-- does Milkhemet Levanon ring a bell...?  mike_c   Aug-27-06 08:19 PM   #24 
                 - Exactly My Point - Thank You  MannyGoldstein   Aug-27-06 08:32 PM   #25 
                    - you rather conveniently didn't read the last part...  mike_c   Aug-27-06 08:51 PM   #26 
                       - No.  MannyGoldstein   Aug-27-06 09:00 PM   #29 
                          - so you justify holding the entire civilian population of south Lebanon...  mike_c   Aug-27-06 09:05 PM   #30 
                             - Different Situation  MannyGoldstein   Aug-27-06 09:57 PM   #32 
                                - by destroying occupied apartment buildings in Beirut and elsewhere...?  mike_c   Aug-27-06 10:10 PM   #33 
                                   - It's An Awful Situation  MannyGoldstein   Aug-27-06 10:23 PM   #34 
              - so simply wrong.....  pelsar   Aug-27-06 10:41 PM   #35 
           - I see  eyl   Aug-28-06 10:32 AM   #40 
              - I read this AM that Israel is now denying that it's negotiating...  mike_c   Aug-28-06 05:36 PM   #44 
  - Parallels to the past.  elocs   Aug-27-06 06:30 PM   #7 
  - Interesting  Sherman A1   Aug-27-06 06:42 PM   #9 
  - Bound to repete? What about those that can't  azurnoir   Aug-27-06 07:11 PM   #15 
     - Get over it in what sense?  Sherman A1   Aug-28-06 02:45 PM   #41 
  - ignoring facts?  pelsar   Aug-27-06 11:07 PM   #36 
  - "exact parallel" was from the website I cited, not my words  elocs   Aug-27-06 11:58 PM   #37 
  - You might want to read up  eyl   Aug-28-06 10:21 AM   #39 
  - Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  aquart   Aug-27-06 06:40 PM   #8 
  - No matter who "won" fighting on the military front  azurnoir   Aug-27-06 06:44 PM   #10 
  - This wasn't a PR war  Fredda Weinberg   Aug-27-06 07:28 PM   #16 
     - No, this was not a PR war  azurnoir   Aug-27-06 08:58 PM   #28 
  - Adolf Hilter:  Turbineguy   Aug-27-06 07:45 PM   #18 
     - do you always make stuff up as a substitute for actual argument...?  mike_c   Aug-27-06 07:52 PM   #19 
        - Tut, tut..  Turbineguy   Aug-27-06 08:53 PM   #27 
           - LOL-- passions run high sometimes....  mike_c   Aug-27-06 09:08 PM   #31 

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