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32. Chosen People
The belief that Jews are the Chosen People has often provoked antagonism from non-Jews. In the 1930s, as Nazis were tightening the noose around the necks of German Jews, George Bernard Shaw remarked that if the Nazis would only realize how Jewish their notion of Aryan superiority was, they would drop it immediately. In 1973, in the aftermath of the Yom Kippur War, Yakov Malik, the Soviet ambassador of the UN, said: "The Zionists have come forward with the theory of the Chosen People, an absurd ideology. That is religious racism." Indeed the most antisemitic document in history, the forgery known as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, is based on the idea of an international conspiracy to rule the world by the "Chosen People".

In the light of these attacks you can't blame Jews who wanted to do away with the belief in chosennes. And some have out of fear.

In judaism, the notion of the one God became known to the World by the Jews. And according to Jewish sources, that is the idea of chosennes: to make God known to the world.

Does Judaism believe that chosennes endows Jews with the same special rights in the way racists ideologies endow those born into the "right race"? Not at all.

The most famous verse in the Bible on the subject of chosennes says the exact opposite: "You alone have I singled out of all the families of the earth. That is why I call you to account for all your iniquities" (Amos 3:2). Chosennes is so unconnected to to any notion of race that some Jews believe that the Messiah himself will descend from Ruth, a convert to Judaism. You cannot convert to a race. Once a person converts he/she becomes part of the Chosen People.

Why were Jews chosen? Because they are descendents of Abraham. And why were Abraham and his descendants given the task of making God known to the world? The Torah (first five books of the Bible) never tells us. What God does say in Deuteronomy, is that "it is not because you are numerous that God chose you, indeed you are the smallest of people" (7 :7). Because of the Jews' small numbers, any success they would have in making God known to the world would presumably reflect upon the power of the idea of God.
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  "God's Chosen People" (Questions about Compassion & Forgiveness) KoKo01  Aug-12-06 05:56 PM   #0 
   "God Bless The Whole World. NO EXCEPTIONS"  bobbolink   Aug-12-06 06:00 PM   #1 
   Self-flagellating, white liberal Euro-guilt  brentspeak   Aug-12-06 06:07 PM   #2 
   naive maybe  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 06:33 PM   #6 
   Oh PLEASE! Self-flagellating GUILT? Isn't this precisely what you  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 07:14 PM   #11 
      You misunderstand. I'm not really commenting on the issue of Israel  brentspeak   Aug-12-06 07:59 PM   #12 
         O.K. I get your drift, and can somewhat understand your point of view,  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 08:32 PM   #14 
            The only time we Hear the `Anti semitism` schtick is from you..you seem =  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:28 AM   #46 
               ` We` being people who don't read many posts at DU?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:20 AM   #61 
                  Point me out some of them? nt  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 02:30 AM   #65 
                     You want links to deleted posts?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:35 AM   #68 
                        Guess I aint been around long enough nt  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 02:41 AM   #69 
   link doesn't work  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 06:14 PM   #3 
   I would posit that no states are based on religious fantasies.  IntiRaymi   Aug-12-06 06:18 PM   #4 
   I agree, it's a motivation  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 06:31 PM   #5 
      Very accurate thought.  IntiRaymi   Aug-12-06 06:46 PM   #9 
   That border on the map you got there actually IS a non starter nt  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:35 AM   #48 
   Booman's site is down....got too many angry visitors....n/t  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 06:42 PM   #7 
   An incredible Post from someone "raised fundie" on Joseph Campbell Site!  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 06:44 PM   #8 
      what Gaarder means is that Israel has spent up its original "goodwill"  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 10:22 PM   #30 
   This is beautiful! I love Sophie's World, and I've just pulled it out  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 07:00 PM   #10 
   the PSU police haven't arrived yet to do a mass "alert".  jonnyblitz   Aug-12-06 08:25 PM   #13 
      A discussion is important on this...not all of our minds are made up on  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 08:56 PM   #15 
      I so agree! See the end of post #14, and just posted #16. I've almost  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 09:09 PM   #17 
      Their tactics are truly disgusting  IntiRaymi   Aug-12-06 11:08 PM   #34 
      re:`The 'Anti-Semitism' epithet `  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:42 AM   #52 
         Oh it can be seen here and there.  IntiRaymi   Aug-13-06 03:02 AM   #71 
      oh i was on this site earlier today,. I read it all.  jonnyblitz   Aug-12-06 09:16 PM   #20 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-06 08:59 PM   #16 
      somebody sent me a link a few weeks ago because  jonnyblitz   Aug-12-06 09:15 PM   #19 
         I'll look for it! I've actually bookmarked their site, because at least  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 09:25 PM   #21 
         Do you really believe that the post and links constitute  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 09:57 PM   #22 
            He was responding to my post which I just re-posting in a spirit of utter  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 10:22 PM   #29 
            I don't know what in hell you are talking about. you seem  jonnyblitz   Aug-13-06 09:46 AM   #81 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-06 10:16 PM   #27 
         I don't usually say this, but...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-12-06 11:54 PM   #39 
            The people at the site are DUers! And btw, I think i saw your name  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 12:50 AM   #45 
            And?  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 01:34 AM   #47 
               Are you sane? Cesspit? Posted all over DU? What are you talking  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 02:06 AM   #57 
                  Yeah, I think you might be confused...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:16 AM   #59 
                     Oh! I'm sorry and I was confused. I'll PM you tomorrow...I'm so tired  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 02:24 AM   #64 
                        That's cool. I probably wasn't very clear...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:34 AM   #67 
            I agree nt  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:38 AM   #50 
               You agree with what? n/t  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:06 AM   #58 
                  You alerting that post nt  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 02:18 AM   #60 
                     Probably for different reasons than I did, no doubt. n/t  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:21 AM   #62 
                        You surmise that from my hebrew name?  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 02:23 AM   #63 
                           No, from yr `posts`....  Violet_Crumble   Aug-13-06 02:32 AM   #66 
                              Its not an easy language,but Arabic persons seem to grasp it  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 02:42 AM   #70 
   Author justification?  MrWiggles   Aug-12-06 09:12 PM   #18 
   I posted MANY LINKS in my OP...if you can't link the sites it might be  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 09:58 PM   #23 
   There is no justification for that quote  MrWiggles   Aug-12-06 10:00 PM   #24 
      huh?  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 10:02 PM   #25 
         The quote in post# 18 n/t  MrWiggles   Aug-12-06 10:17 PM   #28 
            The link I gave in my "OP" works for me...and gives the whole post  KoKo01   Aug-12-06 11:57 PM   #40 
   Reading post #8 above helps put it in some sort of context, but  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-12-06 10:07 PM   #26 
   Chosen People  MrWiggles   Aug-12-06 10:51 PM   #32 
      Umm...Judaism is a religion...not a race.  IntiRaymi   Aug-12-06 11:16 PM   #35 
      They are not a race  MrWiggles   Aug-12-06 11:43 PM   #37 
      Sources, please?  IntiRaymi   Aug-13-06 12:42 AM   #42 
         Source?  MrWiggles   Aug-13-06 07:15 AM   #73 
      A Religion , an Ethnicity, and  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:46 AM   #53 
      we are ALL "descendants of Abraham" specially the muslims  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 11:20 PM   #36 
      Nothing to do with judaism  MrWiggles   Aug-13-06 12:17 AM   #41 
         It's interesting to know who's in charge in Israel  tocqueville   Aug-13-06 12:44 AM   #43 
            darn facts!  pelsar   Aug-13-06 01:38 AM   #49 
            darn facts indeed  tocqueville   Aug-13-06 08:28 AM   #76 
               what you dont know...  pelsar   Aug-13-06 11:51 AM   #89 
            Most Jews are NOT religious..ESPECIALLY in Israel...  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:50 AM   #54 
            You are implying  MrWiggles   Aug-13-06 07:31 AM   #74 
      This post is beautiful and I'm responding to it before I read the other  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 12:45 AM   #44 
         I thank you  MrWiggles   Aug-13-06 08:18 AM   #75 
            I really did enjoy reading it! Now, if the current Israeli leaders would  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 11:48 AM   #88 
   What would you say if France said "we are God’s chosen people"  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 10:48 PM   #31 
      Based on your  MrWiggles   Aug-12-06 10:54 PM   #33 
      read post above before you call people dummies.  tocqueville   Aug-12-06 11:44 PM   #38 
         trying so hard...  pelsar   Aug-13-06 01:40 AM   #51 
         Based on this answer MrWiggles is right , `Judaism for Dummies`  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:57 AM   #56 
         Toqueville, this deserves its own OP. And a thoughtful discussion.  chimpymustgo   Aug-13-06 07:09 AM   #72 
            note that I never get answers  tocqueville   Aug-13-06 08:41 AM   #77 
            you dont get answers because there isnt much to answer...  pelsar   Aug-13-06 11:31 AM   #85 
            I second that! all of Tocqueville's comments in this thread  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 10:38 AM   #84 
      Unfortunatly we were `chosen` to suffer, and France is welcome to it,  OrechDin   Aug-13-06 01:54 AM   #55 
      If Israel had respected the 1948 borders  tocqueville   Aug-13-06 09:00 AM   #79 
         And if the Arab states  cali   Aug-13-06 10:14 AM   #83 
      I usually admire your posts  cali   Aug-13-06 08:50 AM   #78 
         I don't ignore it if you read me carefully  tocqueville   Aug-13-06 09:34 AM   #80 
            but it does show massive ignorence of the israeli culture....  pelsar   Aug-13-06 10:08 AM   #82 
               Sadly, Israel is debasing her so-called "moral superiority and  WiseButAngrySara   Aug-13-06 11:32 AM   #86 
                  such BS..do you even KNOW any israelis?  pelsar   Aug-13-06 11:46 AM   #87 
                     Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-06 12:01 PM   #90 
   Locking per DU rules  LithosLead Moderator   Aug-13-06 12:28 PM   #91 
 

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