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furman Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:37 PM
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23. Those "wingnuts" were voted into power by the population.
Hamas is now in control in the PA and Hezbollah has a minority of seats in the Lebanese parliament.

Furthermore, Israel's attacks on Lebanon's infrastructure are not indescriminate.
In contrast, Hezbollah's attacks on Israel are indeed indescriminate.

The security barrier is there to keep terrorists and suicide bombers out,
not to keep the Palestinians from having a viable state.

If the barrier saves the life of even one person from being a victim of a terror attack,
then it serves its purpose.

I agree that there are issues of how the barrier is laid out.
I saw a documentary produced by some people from France on PBS not too long ago.
I sympathize with the individual Palestinian farmers and families
who have been affected by the barrier.

Palestinians were offered a very generous deal back in late 2000.
They responded with suicide bombers because they did not get everything they wanted.
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  -This could be much worse than most here imagine. msmcghee  Aug-04-06 11:27 AM   #0 
  - The worst case is this, there has never been a nuclear power  rzemanfl   Aug-04-06 11:33 AM   #1 
  - fully support the slaughter of Innocent people?????  bowens43   Aug-04-06 11:36 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-04-06 12:25 PM   #17 
     - I never said one word about anti-semitism.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 12:27 PM   #19 
     - It fits with the agenda  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:31 PM   #67 
     - Egg-zactly!  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:11 PM   #102 
  - Drivel n/t  MrPrax   Aug-04-06 11:43 AM   #3 
  - Yep, sums it up  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:22 PM   #104 
  - What you are missing -  adigal   Aug-04-06 11:44 AM   #4 
  - Hear, Hear!  n2doc   Aug-04-06 11:57 AM   #7 
     - Yes, you are right.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 12:13 PM   #11 
     - uh.....  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 12:21 PM   #16 
     - Uh . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 12:25 PM   #18 
        - Well-  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 12:31 PM   #21 
        - well, if "threats" aren't a warcrime then why is it that threats from  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 12:55 PM   #29 
           - Warcrimes are not necessary before one defends oneself.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 12:58 PM   #30 
              - so Israel can threaten Lebanon and that's ok. they aren't allowed  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 01:17 PM   #34 
              - Think about your words.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 01:22 PM   #37 
                 - What????  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 01:58 PM   #42 
                 - Yes, if the threat of destroying 10 buildings . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 02:02 PM   #43 
                    - I also believe Lebanese civilians are "innocent lives".  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 02:44 PM   #51 
                       - If those 900 dead prevent a much worse disaster later . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 03:11 PM   #57 
                          - the basic difference here is you believe Israeli lives have more value  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 03:54 PM   #59 
                          - Why would you say that.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 05:27 PM   #61 
                             - Oh, Jesus H. Christ in a canoe, do you even  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:25 PM   #105 
                          - Oh the irony nt  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:34 PM   #69 
                          - OMFG! You have GOT to be  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:22 PM   #103 
                 - No! You don't convert an Enemy to A Friend by bombing them 10x  ShortnFiery   Aug-04-06 08:30 PM   #100 
                    - Truly amazing how clueless  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:27 PM   #106 
                       - Yes, I remember how my beloved brother came  ShortnFiery   Aug-04-06 11:24 PM   #109 
              - Does Palestine have a right to defend itself against Israeli colonization?  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:33 PM   #68 
                 - Israel is not a colonial power.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 06:53 PM   #76 
                    - Response  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 07:20 PM   #85 
     - "I have seen Israel commit no war crimes."  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:29 PM   #65 
        - What colonization of Palestine?  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 06:54 PM   #77 
     - during gulf war 1 iraq was firing missils on israel. bush 1 asked  catmother   Aug-04-06 01:33 PM   #39 
        - Nonviolence has its costs  n2doc   Aug-04-06 02:05 PM   #45 
           - how many times can you be "slapped"? for 60 years there have  catmother   Aug-04-06 02:30 PM   #49 
              - And how many times has Israel responded with violence?  n2doc   Aug-04-06 02:46 PM   #52 
              - i would love to see peace -- not just in the ME -- but the whole  catmother   Aug-04-06 02:54 PM   #54 
              - This is the problem IMO  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:40 PM   #71 
                 - Peace does not depend acknowledging the pain . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 06:47 PM   #73 
                    - Response  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 07:35 PM   #89 
  - I too support Israels right to exsist/defend itself !  jaysunb   Aug-04-06 11:55 AM   #5 
  - Haha Very Pro Isreal  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 11:56 AM   #6 
  - HaHa pretty creative.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 12:00 PM   #8 
     - Never hide where I am from  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 12:31 PM   #20 
     - or even overseas nt  OrechDin   Aug-04-06 11:58 PM   #110 
  - If i may stick my beak in here........Jews must have water..where is it?  sevenleagueboots   Aug-04-06 12:00 PM   #9 
  - I refuse to paint Isreal so cold blooded  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 12:43 PM   #26 
     - The US and UK are painted that way  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:44 PM   #72 
        - You think it is working out in the West Bank  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 07:41 PM   #92 
  - I support the idea of a state of Israel  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 12:10 PM   #10 
  - Wishful thinking.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 12:16 PM   #13 
  - The last FAIR Israeli leader  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 12:18 PM   #15 
  - Haha  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 12:41 PM   #24 
  - When is the last time classical colonialism worked?  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:47 PM   #74 
  - Those "wingnuts" were voted into power by the population.  furman   Aug-04-06 12:37 PM   #23 
     - yeah -  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 01:07 PM   #33 
        - responses...  furman   Aug-04-06 02:02 PM   #44 
           - The last Israeli leader that was closest  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 04:54 PM   #60 
           - Why did Arafat reject?  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:50 PM   #75 
  - "those 900 Lebanese died today - so that 9 million Lebanese can live"  leveymg   Aug-04-06 12:14 PM   #12 
  - It is trully shameful  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 12:17 PM   #14 
  - Switch that around to  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:33 PM   #107 
  - sorry, recruitment effort  QuestionAll...   Aug-04-06 12:32 PM   #22 
  - Please explain the "lies and misinformation".  furman   Aug-04-06 12:42 PM   #25 
     - They are not an army  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 12:48 PM   #27 
     - they don't HAVE infrastucture! they are a militia made up of  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 12:59 PM   #31 
     - Those rules apply to . . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 01:04 PM   #32 
        - Not what started this crap  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 01:18 PM   #35 
     - o lemme see. maybe the part where the Lebanese should be  QuestionAll...   Aug-04-06 02:36 PM   #50 
        - My words were . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 02:47 PM   #53 
           - no I can't and won't say this:  QuestionAll...   Aug-04-06 02:58 PM   #55 
              - This is what passes for reason these days.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 03:01 PM   #56 
  - congratulations, you've passed your Israeli PR 101 course with an "A"  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 12:51 PM   #28 
  - Israel did not "steal land"  furman   Aug-04-06 01:22 PM   #36 
  - steal conquer occupied  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 01:55 PM   #41 
  - to which generous offers of peace are you referring?  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 02:08 PM   #47 
  - Why no response to this from the pro-Israel crowd? nt  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:56 PM   #79 
     - Because they know it's true and  liberalhistorian   Aug-04-06 09:36 PM   #108 
  - Did you support Iraq's "acquistion" of Kuwait?  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:55 PM   #78 
  - They do that there be peace  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 01:22 PM   #38 
  - great post. i agree with everything you said. your post is  catmother   Aug-04-06 01:38 PM   #40 
  - Is this the best you can offer?  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 02:07 PM   #46 
  - Dear msmcghee  Oversea Visitor   Aug-04-06 07:55 PM   #96 
  - Just to underscore what I was saying . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 02:19 PM   #48 
  - "Victory of Islam over the west"  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:58 PM   #80 
     - Not from me.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 07:21 PM   #86 
  - Again with the misconceptions  4dsc   Aug-04-06 03:27 PM   #58 
  - Our taking of this continent was not the same thing.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 05:46 PM   #62 
     - Come on  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 06:17 PM   #63 
     - OK - Let's look at the wall.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 06:31 PM   #66 
        - Sounds like  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 07:01 PM   #81 
        - There are layers and layers of violent and cruel actions . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 07:12 PM   #83 
           - Yes - there are layers and layers  whosinpower   Aug-04-06 07:23 PM   #87 
              - Jack, thanks but I'm getting worn out.  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 07:32 PM   #88 
        - the land is unsustainable because of the settlements and the maze  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 07:47 PM   #93 
     - "American settlers and cavalry were often not acting in defense"  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 07:02 PM   #82 
        - As I have explained . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 07:19 PM   #84 
           - You can't have it both ways on the UN and world community  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 07:47 PM   #94 
           - those settlements aren't providing military buffers. they are  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 08:00 PM   #98 
  - Israel is the only "real democracy" in the ME?  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 06:26 PM   #64 
  - Democracies allow their citizens to . .  msmcghee   Aug-04-06 06:35 PM   #70 
  - that one phrase sure gets a lot of mileage on here  breakaleg   Aug-04-06 07:38 PM   #91 
  - "They don't give the Palestininans a say"  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 07:54 PM   #95 
  - Lebanon was the only real democracy in the Middle East  IndianaGreen   Aug-04-06 07:38 PM   #90 
     - Lebanon is not a democracy  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 07:55 PM   #97 
        - Bush has a twisted concept of freedom and democracy  IndianaGreen   Aug-04-06 08:11 PM   #99 
           - FREEDOM IS SLAVERY  JackNewtown   Aug-04-06 08:51 PM   #101 
  - Locking per I/P guidelines  Lithos   Aug-05-06 07:32 AM   #111 
 

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