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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 08:05 AM
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86. Reliving Their Glory Days
when the "Sun Never Set On The British Empire" and they happily carved up the Ottoman Empire to suit their own convenience, imperial dreams, colonial dreams, protect Suez, and protect "their" oil.

They predestined the region for war lords and tribal warfare.

See Engdahl, "A Century Of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order" -readable and adequate, but only exemplary of a body of scholarship. Remember - this was the time when the WWI victors really screwed up Europe, the ME, Africa, and Asia for a century.
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  - Harvard study: AIPAC makes US act against own interests occuserpens  Mar-18-06 07:08 PM   #0 
  - No shit, Sherlock!  Warpy   Mar-18-06 07:16 PM   #1 
  - Wow. We didn't even need a Harvard education to figure that one out.  The Backlash Cometh   Mar-18-06 07:38 PM   #3 
  - As far as I'm concerned, Israel IS our friend.  Jim Sagle   Mar-20-06 07:03 PM   #48 
  - ...and has been, for quite some time.....  president4aday   Mar-18-06 07:21 PM   #2 
  - Trouble is every time you bring up this topic, you get accused of being  no_hypocrisy   Mar-19-06 10:07 AM   #4 
  - Name-calling is not an argument.  bemildred   Mar-19-06 10:08 AM   #5 
     - Quite agreed. But this modus operandi of logical fallacy is ubiquitously  no_hypocrisy   Mar-19-06 10:26 AM   #6 
        - your falicy about AIPAC  pelsar   Mar-19-06 10:40 AM   #7 
        - My criticism is directed at the tenor of debate, not the debator(s).  no_hypocrisy   Mar-19-06 10:45 AM   #8 
           - whos changing the argument....  pelsar   Mar-19-06 03:36 PM   #10 
           - Now now-- you didn't take the bait.  Malikshah   Mar-19-06 08:39 PM   #11 
              - Israel and AIPAC dont exist in a vacuum...  pelsar   Mar-19-06 11:05 PM   #12 
                 - Lobbyists and PACs are part of the gosh darned "First Amendment"  Coastie for Truth   Mar-19-06 11:21 PM   #13 
                 - Well, no... see PEOPLE should mean  WannaJumpMyScooter   Mar-20-06 08:54 AM   #39 
                    - There is the grammatical argument  Coastie for Truth   Mar-20-06 09:46 AM   #40 
                 - Sorry-- not in the mood to play  Malikshah   Mar-20-06 06:25 AM   #25 
                    - LOL!  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:32 AM   #28 
                    - When you're ready to engage in intelligent discourse, let us know.  Jim Sagle   Mar-20-06 06:59 PM   #46 
                       - Ah-- the emoticons and attempts at humor  Malikshah   Mar-20-06 07:58 PM   #49 
        - And agreed back.  bemildred   Mar-19-06 11:53 AM   #9 
           - verbal grenades...  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 05:30 AM   #14 
              - You didn't read this forum last weekend?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 05:48 AM   #16 
              - really?  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 05:54 AM   #18 
                 - Yes, really...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:08 AM   #20 
                    - Oh but Violet...  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:17 AM   #22 
                       - I take it you got my PM containing the posted accusations...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:23 AM   #24 
                          - didn't happen here....yet. still the same "grenade"....  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:31 AM   #26 
                             - It did happen here!  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:40 AM   #30 
                                - all I saw was "deleted posts"...  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:50 AM   #33 
                                   - I sent you one of the deleted posts!  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:53 AM   #34 
                                      - how do I know you didn't re-write it?  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:54 AM   #35 
                                         - You can check with the mods...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:57 AM   #37 
              - It is forbidden to call other posters anti-semites.  bemildred   Mar-20-06 07:14 AM   #38 
  - Congressman Eliot Engel  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 05:38 AM   #15 
  - All froth, no substance...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 05:50 AM   #17 
  - perhaps it would be better from one of your politicians.....  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 05:55 AM   #19 
  - Not likely...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:08 AM   #21 
     - but...  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:17 AM   #23 
        - have what?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:32 AM   #27 
           - re-read...maybe you will understand. n/t  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:33 AM   #29 
              - I think rereading would be a huge waste of time...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:40 AM   #31 
                 - Well...nothing ventured, nothing gained...including knowledge.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-20-06 06:48 AM   #32 
                    - There's no knowledge to be gained...  Violet_Crumble   Mar-20-06 06:55 AM   #36 
  - Congressman Eliot Engel is a liberal Democrat from New York!  meti57b   Mar-20-06 10:19 AM   #41 
  - Who supports pre-emptive war & the illegal actions of Isreal!!  Englander   Mar-20-06 10:46 AM   #42 
     - A whole lot of Dems supported the Iraq war .....  meti57b   Mar-20-06 11:48 AM   #43 
     - And a lot of Prominent British Diplomats  Coastie for Truth   Mar-20-06 12:03 PM   #44 
     - After the events of last week when a certain British building  barb162   Mar-21-06 01:42 AM   #52 
     - Red herring, straw man, ad hominem. n/t  Englander   Mar-21-06 03:45 AM   #54 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-06 07:01 PM   #47 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-21-06 01:45 AM   #53 
  - Actually, all substance, no froth  barb162   Mar-21-06 01:21 AM   #51 
  - WAIT A SEC.  antifaschits   Mar-25-06 05:48 PM   #93 
  - AIPAC RAWWWWWKSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!  Jim Sagle   Mar-20-06 06:57 PM   #45 
  - I have mixed reaction to this.  Tom Joad   Mar-21-06 12:56 AM   #50 
  - Yeah, it smelled just a bit to me too.  bemildred   Mar-21-06 07:02 AM   #55 
  - Israel Lobby Dictates US Policy, Study Charges  Matilda   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #56 
  - Would it surprise you to know that many Jews in the US--this one  Talismom   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #57 
     - Thanks for the link.  Matilda   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #58 
     - perhaps you should do some more research?  pelsar   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #60 
        - That's completely irrelevant.  Englander   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #61 
        - That's a straw man argument.  Matilda   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #62 
     - Also look up Jewish Voice for Peace.  Tom Joad   Mar-24-06 08:01 AM   #59 
  - Pro-Israel lobby in U.S. under attack.  Scurrilous   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #63 
  - need alot more of this!  katty   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #64 
  - No doubt....  physioex   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #68 
  - Couldn't get the link to work, but is this about AIPAC?  LSparkle   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #65 
  - Try this:  Scurrilous   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #70 
  - Ah, they must be anti-semites!  High Plains   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #66 
  - What a cop-out  Fredda Weinberg   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #67 
  - No cop out. Get to know these guys - they are very real  Chimichurri   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #71 
     - These guys are my people  Fredda Weinberg   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #84 
  - The 51st state needs a lobby less than New Orleans does...  HereSince1628   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #69 
  - The twin disasters of the past 30 years, supported by both Democrats and  michigander3   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #72 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #73 
  - I recommend Dr. Norman Finkelstein's book "Beyond Chutzpah"  AlamoDemoc   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #74 
  - Equally relevant,  Coastie for Truth   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #76 
  - Stephen Walt's World. - Sandstorm 3/17/2006  Coastie for Truth   Mar-24-06 08:04 AM   #75 
  - Always check the source  Malikshah   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #77 
     - Two points  Coastie for Truth   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #78 
        - Moi aussi  Malikshah   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #80 
        - What's yr doctorate in?  Violet_Crumble   Mar-25-06 05:25 PM   #92 
  - Palestinian diplomat takes on Israel, AIPAC and U.S  Scurrilous   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #79 
  - In other words, an audience with very little influence in the Middle East?  Boojatta   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #81 
     - I would say the latter.  Scurrilous   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #87 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #82 
  - Well, I'm part of this lobby and I say it RRRRAWWWWWKSSS!!!!!!  Jim Sagle   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #83 
  - Pot meet kettle  IndianaGreen   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #89 
  - Woah woah woah  rockymountaindem   Mar-25-06 04:39 PM   #91 
  - not to mention tens of thousands of innocent dead Iraqis.  antifaschits   Mar-25-06 09:01 PM   #95 
  - i am pro-israel  adriennui   Mar-25-06 08:02 PM   #94 
  - What persuaded the U.K. to get involved in the Iraq war?  Boojatta   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #85 
  - Reliving Their Glory Days  Coastie for Truth   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #86 
     - 'Protocols of the Elders of Albion'?  Englander   Mar-26-06 01:27 AM   #98 
  - Israel Lobby Dictates U.S. Policy, Study Charges  IndianaGreen   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #88 
  - What Is The Lobby?  IndianaGreen   Mar-24-06 08:05 AM   #90 
  - I don't suppose it would be reasonable to ask  truth2power   Mar-25-06 10:05 PM   #96 
  - About as valid as Carnegie Mellon Prof Lester Lave's critique of Hybrids  Coastie for Truth   Mar-26-06 12:14 AM   #97 
 

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