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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Feb-11-06 10:17 PM
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Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 10:19 PM by Coastie for Truth
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Coastie claiming he can't gain employment with them because they've got policies which prohibit employing Jews, and you agreeing with what he says isn't exactly convincing. What I would like to see to convince me that US oil companies have anti-Semitic hiring policies is something in writing where they state that is their policy. And the obvious question that has to be answered is if the US oil companies haven't employed Coastie coz of their supposed policy of not hiring Jews, then why is it that the US oil companies do have Jewish employees?


An interesting discussion is in a Daily Californian op ed. The Daily Californian is the student newspaper of the University of California at Berkeley, hardly a neocon or PNAC university, in a most un-Neoco, un-PNAC community. Examining the Error of the Divestment Campaign by University of California alumnus and University of California at Davis faculty member Joe Lockard--
<<<SNIP>>>
The original boycott was xenophobic in that it represented a political and economic strategy to contain, isolate, monitor and eventually destroy what it perceived as an alien presence. Inviolable borders had to be maintained against subversive infiltration. It sought to preserve a hegemonic definition of territory as Arab, rejecting peaceful relations with an entity deemed fundamentally illegitimate. A boycott was a weapon to eliminate an "artificial" presence that had no right to exist.

Boycott officials in Damascus pored over corporate reports from around the world to identify both intercorporate links (e.g. did your company deal with another company that had dealings with Israel?) and Jewish agents of power. Routine administrative forms circulated to collect information on the religion and national origin of corporate employees. The Central Boycott Office issued "non-Jew" certificates to foreign organizations.

A Jewish name was enough to ensure that you would not be hired at large firms with major projects in Arab countries; a new class of closeted Jews appeared in response and there was a run on false baptismal certificates. (emphasis not in original)

The boycott's intellectual terms were changing, however. In 1975 came UN Resolution 3379 (repealed in 1991) equating Zionism with racism and apartheid, which served as the political analogy that would justify maintaining an isolation containment around that alien presence. The Arab League affirmed its solidarity with the then-rising anti-apartheid boycott and began conceptually re-positioning its own boycott. What changed was less the original purposes and methods of the anti-Israel boycott, more its rhetorical references that relied on stigmatizing one nationalism among all others.
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you might also consider this enforcement action (note: the oil companies do not voluntarily request this kind of guidance)---->

Johns Hopkins Health System Corporation Settles Antiboycott Case

Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Enforcement Michael J. Garcia announced today that Johns Hopkins Health System Corporation in Baltimore, Maryland has agreed to pay the maximum $10,000 civil penalty to settle charges that it violated U.S. antiboycott laws by discriminating against an individual in support of the Arab League boycott of Israel. Johns Hopkins Health System Corporation voluntarily disclosed the incident and cooperated fully with the subsequent investigation.

"As Under Secretary of Commerce for Industry and Security Kenneth I. Juster recently made clear, the Commerce Department will vigorously enforce our antiboycott laws," Assistant Secretary Garcia noted. "This case demonstrates that resolve."

The Commerce Department's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) had charged that in 1995, Johns Hopkins Health System Corporation discriminated against a U.S. person because she was Jewish. The person had been seeking a position in the company's International Services Department, which markets medical services around the world, including in the Middle East. BIS believes that the discriminatory conduct was motivated by the company's concern about having a Jewish person in that position because of the Arab League boycott of Israel.

The antiboycott provisions of the Export Administration Regulations prohibit U.S. persons from complying with certain aspects of unsanctioned foreign boycotts imposed or fostered by foreign governments, including taking discriminatory actions on the basis of religion or national origin. In addition, the antiboycott regulations require U.S. persons to report their receipt of certain boycott requests to the BIS's Office of Antiboycott Compliance (OAC), which investigates alleged violations, provides support in administrative or criminal litigation of cases, and prepares cases for settlement.

Assistant Secretary Garcia commended Senior Compliance Officer Cathleen A. Ryan who conducted the investigation of this case for OAC.

See also Washington Tariff and Trade Letter

Note to Mod - This is a United States Government Press Release and therefore is not subject to copyright


You might also want to look at "The economic war against the Jews" by Walter Henry Nelson.

I have stuck with articles that have a good narrative. In order to avoid antagonism, I have avoided reference to Jewish community newspapers, and to PNAC-Neocon periodical (such as Commentary).

The Daily California link, while recent, describes the situation when I was in college, the military, and grad school (1960's and early 1970's). Based on 1990's era Equal Employment Opportunity Commission cases, the boycott still seems to exist. The Johns Hopkins Health Services link is typical.

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   Israel plans to build 'museum of tolerance' on Muslim graves Benfea  Feb-10-06 05:50 PM   #0 
   Oy...the need for sensitivity...  Dunvegan   Feb-10-06 05:53 PM   #1 
   thier whole country is built on Muslim graves  pocket   Feb-10-06 05:53 PM   #2 
   Now that you mention it, you're right. n/t  cantstandbush   Feb-10-06 05:57 PM   #6 
   and Jewish, and Christian, and Roman, and Cannanite...  Behind the Aegis   Feb-10-06 06:00 PM   #7 
   And the "Jordanians" or "Palestinians" or whoever they are  Coastie for Truth   Feb-10-06 06:03 PM   #8 
   Despicable.  Lefty48197   Feb-10-06 06:06 PM   #11 
   No - that was in Jerusalem after the 1948 war  Coastie for Truth   Feb-10-06 06:31 PM   #19 
   Got any actual proof?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 10:37 PM   #26 
   Please! The Mufti of Jerusalem, who actually worked with  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 12:53 AM   #90 
   That doesn't justify this.  Benfea   Feb-10-06 06:21 PM   #14 
   why not?  barb162   Feb-11-06 02:19 AM   #33 
   That's funny...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:08 AM   #39 
      Maybe it has more to do with 1000 year old bones than with  barb162   Feb-11-06 03:37 AM   #43 
         I'd be thinking remains that are so old are worth protecting...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:52 AM   #45 
   It is justified; Palestinians used cemetery land for a hotel  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:45 PM   #71 
   But the cemetary had already been decommisioned BY THE  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 12:54 AM   #91 
   The plans are to respectfully rebury the bones and erect a  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:17 AM   #95 
   I don't recall seeing all this support for digging up bones a while back..  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 04:24 AM   #113 
      I don't see any outrage by you over a hotel built by the Muslims  barb162   Feb-21-06 03:57 PM   #124 
   Please see post #105.  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:21 AM   #96 
   So this makes building a 'tolerance' museum on a burial site okay?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 10:35 PM   #25 
      per article:"it was common in Jerusalem to build on cemeteries".  barb162   Feb-11-06 03:02 AM   #37 
         I asked you what *you* thought...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:16 AM   #41 
            answer was sufficient , Violet, I'll quote if I feel like it  barb162   Feb-11-06 03:38 AM   #44 
               I didn't tell you that you couldn't quote...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:54 AM   #46 
                  Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-11-06 04:00 AM   #47 
   Thanks for the reminder  Lefty48197   Feb-10-06 06:05 PM   #9 
      'Under the threat of murder'??  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 10:31 PM   #24 
      Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-11-06 04:39 AM   #48 
      Notice  LithosLead Moderator   Feb-21-06 11:40 PM   #128 
      Why not listen to Palestinian Christians directly?  Tom Joad   Feb-12-06 12:55 AM   #54 
         I've wondered the same thing...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-06 04:46 AM   #61 
         Christians anxious over Hamas victory  barb162   Feb-21-06 03:45 PM   #119 
            Hosam al-Taweel  Djinn   Feb-21-06 07:27 PM   #125 
   Israel  geezer1   Feb-10-06 06:25 PM   #16 
   so if I only take over one small room in your house you wont mind?  pocket   Feb-10-06 06:28 PM   #17 
   What Other Nations are Illegitimate?  geezer1   Feb-10-06 06:33 PM   #20 
   But what if the mortgage speculator (UK or France)  Coastie for Truth   Feb-10-06 09:55 PM   #22 
   Maybe you would be interested in reading about the  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:30 AM   #97 
   That's right , geezer...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 10:39 PM   #27 
   In an area that has been lived on for more than 5000 years  barb162   Feb-11-06 02:28 AM   #35 
   Yes, but the concept of a *tolerance* museum being built...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:07 AM   #38 
   Excuse me? Perhaps you should read "The Source", by  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 12:50 AM   #89 
      Excuse me??  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 04:22 AM   #111 
   Yeah, that'll help  Caoimhe   Feb-10-06 05:53 PM   #3 
   colour me surprised.  xchrom   Feb-10-06 05:54 PM   #4 
   Another provocation to make certain that there is no peace in the ME. n/t  cantstandbush   Feb-10-06 05:56 PM   #5 
   Would those killed in the holocaust approve? I doubt it.  Poll_Blind   Feb-10-06 06:06 PM   #10 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-06 06:06 PM   #12 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-10-06 06:11 PM   #13 
   cha-ching!  pocket   Feb-10-06 06:24 PM   #15 
   It sounds more and more this group doesn't give a crap about tolerance  Benfea   Feb-10-06 06:29 PM   #18 
   Tell me about tolerance  Coastie for Truth   Feb-10-06 10:00 PM   #23 
   That would mean US oil companies have discriminatory employment policy...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 10:44 PM   #28 
   The oil companies are quite well known to be anti-semitic  barb162   Feb-11-06 02:21 AM   #34 
   Somehow I really doubt that...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:01 AM   #36 
      In response  Coastie for Truth   Feb-11-06 10:17 PM   #53 
      Thanks for the links, Coastie...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-06 04:40 AM   #59 
         Coastie?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-13-06 07:29 AM   #80 
         Kick for Coastie...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-14-06 04:42 AM   #81 
      that's like asking a company to put in writing they don't like to hire  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:07 AM   #55 
         So I just have to take yr word for it??  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-06 04:33 AM   #58 
            No, you don't have to take my word for it  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:43 AM   #60 
               Good. Coz I've got no intention of doing so...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-06 04:56 AM   #62 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-16-06 08:53 PM   #133 
   So in retribution you want this to go forward?  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 11:14 PM   #30 
   That is not what I said - and I wish you would stop misquoting me  Coastie for Truth   Feb-10-06 11:16 PM   #31 
      I'm sorry, yes, you did not say that.  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 11:57 PM   #32 
         And you didn't misquote him...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:11 AM   #40 
         Apology acepted.  Coastie for Truth   Feb-11-06 10:46 AM   #51 
   that's a complete and total lie  Djinn   Feb-21-06 07:31 PM   #126 
   Speaking of tolerance there are several posts on this  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:04 AM   #92 
      That's a mighty weird use of the word tolerance...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-21-06 06:40 AM   #118 
   Maybe you should be complaining to the ghost of the Mufti  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:05 AM   #93 
   Hmmm...  fujiyama   Feb-10-06 07:28 PM   #21 
   This is not just any cemetery, but  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 11:11 PM   #29 
   What I find disturbing...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 03:20 AM   #42 
   that is exacty what it is....  pelsar   Feb-12-06 05:20 PM   #75 
   It might have been the "main" cemetary centuries ago  eyl   Feb-11-06 05:59 AM   #49 
   How does a cemetary stop being a cemetary?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-11-06 06:47 AM   #50 
   when it's used as a parking lot  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:21 AM   #57 
   Wrong...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-06 04:59 AM   #63 
      Wrong...  Behind the Aegis   Feb-12-06 05:17 AM   #65 
      Palestinians used cemetery for a hotel, so do they deserve a kick  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:50 PM   #72 
         That's not the same cemetary, barb...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-13-06 07:22 AM   #78 
            it's the same cemetery  barb162   Feb-19-06 11:45 PM   #86 
               So could you post the bit of the article that says it's the same one?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 03:34 AM   #104 
                  see post #72  Behind the Aegis   Feb-20-06 03:41 AM   #106 
                     And what difference does this make?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 03:46 AM   #108 
                        5 years  Behind the Aegis   Feb-20-06 03:55 AM   #109 
                           Yr going to have to explain the '5 years' thing...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 04:08 AM   #110 
                              read post #99  Behind the Aegis   Feb-20-06 04:24 AM   #112 
                                 Oh, that. That bunch has got a vested interest...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 04:30 AM   #114 
                                    Question  Behind the Aegis   Feb-20-06 04:38 AM   #115 
                                       Interesting...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 04:48 AM   #116 
   It stops being used;  eyl   Feb-12-06 09:29 AM   #67 
   It was confiscated. By military force. That is not "tolerence". eom  Tom Joad   Feb-11-06 11:13 AM   #52 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-20-06 12:17 AM   #87 
      I guess folks would prefer it be used as a parking lot huh.  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:44 AM   #100 
      You got it! n/t  barb162   Feb-20-06 02:22 AM   #102 
         Wouldn't a great museum be a more fitting monument to the  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 02:31 PM   #117 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-20-06 03:40 AM   #105 
      How did Jordan acquire it? How did the British acquire it?  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:43 AM   #99 
         Jerusalem  LithosLead Moderator   Feb-21-06 11:33 PM   #127 
   Palestinians have used it for other things, like a hotel  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:42 PM   #69 
   Frank Gehry designed center  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:17 AM   #56 
   So what?  Violet_Crumble   Feb-12-06 05:00 AM   #64 
   So I like Gehry, that's what  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:43 PM   #70 
      Yoo-hoo! Barb! ...you missed my reply in post #75! eom  Wordie   Feb-12-06 04:56 PM   #73 
      That's not a very convincing argument for building it on a burial site...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-13-06 07:27 AM   #79 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-19-06 11:11 PM   #84 
         Saying you like an architect is NOT a convincing reason...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 03:32 AM   #103 
            So what do you think of the hotel?  barb162   Feb-21-06 03:55 PM   #123 
         It's far better than parking lots and hotels  barb162   Feb-21-06 03:48 PM   #120 
         do you have any convincing arguments about hotels and roads  barb162   Feb-21-06 03:51 PM   #121 
         got any convincing arguments why Muslims put a hotel on it?  barb162   Feb-21-06 03:52 PM   #122 
            I don't need to argue something like that...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-22-06 05:09 AM   #129 
   Scandal  Behind the Aegis   Feb-12-06 05:32 AM   #66 
   Same thread form earlier post...  splat@14   Feb-12-06 11:13 AM   #68 
   interesting article about Muslim cemetery reuse  barb162   Feb-12-06 04:59 PM   #74 
   To put things into perspective, it's not uncommon here  eyl   Feb-14-06 12:01 PM   #82 
   Little tolerance evident in museum, critics say  Coastie for Truth   Feb-12-06 06:08 PM   #76 
   Nothing is new under the sun  occuserpens   Feb-13-06 12:41 AM   #77 
   ADL: Freeze work on Museum of Tolerance, site of Muslim graves  Scurrilous   Feb-19-06 12:25 PM   #83 
   Mass e-mailing to supporters of Weisenthal Center  Coastie for Truth   Feb-19-06 11:41 PM   #85 
   Well that's pretty clear that Muslims dug up bones, put a hotel up  barb162   Feb-20-06 12:41 AM   #88 
   And the verdict is:  Jim Sagle   Feb-20-06 01:59 AM   #101 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-20-06 01:15 AM   #94 
   Holy crap!  Violet_Crumble   Feb-20-06 03:42 AM   #107 
   More actual facts, in case anybody's interested:  Colorado Blue   Feb-20-06 01:38 AM   #98 
   Link TV's Mosaic has film of the cemetery today.  not systems   Feb-22-06 11:02 AM   #130 
   Man, Israel Palestine debates are AWESOME!  genie_weenie   Feb-22-06 05:19 PM   #131 
   For the hell of it,  Spinoza   Feb-23-06 06:15 PM   #132 
 

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