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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:00 PM
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21. I believe you, many in Israel are nationalistic. I have noticed this
This is a problem. So they identify with the govt. policy and cannot separate it from what is thought about themselves. If something is said about the govt, then it is said about the people, and many Jewish Israelis (that does leave out 20 or 30% of Israelis), certainly not all, feel that is the same thing as saying it about them personally, or about them as a people. Not only that, but among many Jewish Americans think that Israeli policy is Jewish policy and their policy.

That is not healthy. It happens here, and that is a problem too. George Bush could announce he is going to destroy the earth next week and there will still be 20 or 30% who will say it must be a good idea, because he is the President of a great country, their country, and if he wants to nuke the planet to smithereens, then we know it must be for a good reason, dammit. It is not even hypothetical, He is destroying the planet around us, slowly but surely, killing thousands of Iraqis, putting troops at risk, eating up all our resources for the war, and many still support him just because they cannot separate US policy from their view of themselves, their own identity. Some cannot even imagine that the US went to war for other than honorable reasons.

Just gotta get over it, start thinking abit more independently.

How could i live with myself if i could not separate myself from US policy? Millions dead in Vietnam. Support for genocide in East Timor to Central America, to the Middle East. Knowing what i know, about US pervasive aggression and militarism and racism, at least I am glad I can make that separation.
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  - I think it would be earth-shaking.  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 10:50 AM   #5 
  - Very worthy nominees...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 04:13 AM   #4 
  - Both nominees are very excellent choices.  RJnAbbysNana   Feb-10-06 01:34 PM   #6 
  - They were nominated together, they can both win it together.  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 02:15 PM   #7 
     - Chalk that one up to a "senior moment."  RJnAbbysNana   Feb-10-06 02:39 PM   #8 
  - what were waiting for....  pelsar   Feb-10-06 03:24 PM   #9 
  - The choice of the Israeli government is violence, and only violence  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 04:35 PM   #10 
  - I think what's missing is the rather salient point that the  Colorado Blue   Feb-10-06 06:28 PM   #13 
     - And I think you've missed this very important point...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 06:50 PM   #14 
     - very simplistic argument..  pelsar   Feb-10-06 07:40 PM   #19 
        - Goes back a lot further then fifty years  Coastie for Truth   Feb-10-06 07:50 PM   #20 
        - Nope, but that was a very simplistic excuse...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 09:18 PM   #23 
     - AND FURTHERMORE:  Colorado Blue   Feb-10-06 07:12 PM   #17 
        - This incredibly simplistic version of Oslo is totally incorrect as well...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 09:24 PM   #24 
           - I think folk forget about Netanyahu's role in the failure...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-13-06 06:36 AM   #37 
  - Very good article link, Pelsar.  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 04:58 PM   #11 
     - your missing the process....  pelsar   Feb-10-06 06:03 PM   #12 
        - That makes no sense...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 07:01 PM   #15 
        - you didnt understand...  pelsar   Feb-10-06 07:35 PM   #18 
           - I believe you, many in Israel are nationalistic. I have noticed this  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 09:00 PM   #21 
           - stop being so ethno centric....  pelsar   Feb-11-06 08:27 AM   #30 
           - Oh yes, I understood, alright...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 09:25 PM   #25 
              - yes we are...  pelsar   Feb-11-06 08:13 AM   #29 
        - I don't think the Israeli side actually counts in this scenario,  Colorado Blue   Feb-10-06 07:10 PM   #16 
           - This thread is about honoring an Israeli. And a Palestinian.  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 09:02 PM   #22 
              - I think the problem may have been...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-10-06 09:30 PM   #26 
              - I am responding to your assertion that all "Israel" wants is  Colorado Blue   Feb-10-06 09:42 PM   #27 
                 - I said that has been the policy of Israeli govts.  Tom Joad   Feb-10-06 10:33 PM   #28 
                    - see above...  pelsar   Feb-11-06 08:31 AM   #31 
                       - That's your interpretation.  Tom Joad   Feb-11-06 09:31 AM   #32 
                          - blame us..the israeli people...  pelsar   Feb-11-06 12:01 PM   #33 
                             - Back to the thread topic.  Tom Joad   Feb-11-06 12:50 PM   #34 
                                - avoidence?  pelsar   Feb-12-06 12:40 PM   #36 
                                   - No, pelsar. The Israeli people are NOT the IDF...  Violet_Crumble   Feb-13-06 06:46 AM   #38 
  - Excellent news and an important story!  Rhiannon12866   Feb-12-06 11:14 AM   #35 

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