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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:20 AM
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44. You know what's scary? This revisionism. It's amazing.
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 11:24 AM by Colorado Blue
Here we have a person actually using the term "zionist version of history", yet this same person actually thinks Israel and Jordan acted in concert in the war of 1948 and thereafter, as per THIS thread:

Those are astonishing allegations and they are complete misinterpretations of history.

Jordan itself was created out of the eastern 78% of the Palestine Mandate. The ENTIRE Mandate was to have been the Jewish homeland but even the tiny strip illustrated in the map I linked to, in Wiki, was rejected by the Arabs in 1948 and several Arab armies attacked the newborn state on its first day of existence.

There was no partnership, informal or otherwise, between Jordan and Israel. THAT is revisionism, personified. The armistice lines were drawn up by the UN, willy nilly, and never represented an actual negotiated or commonsensical border. The fact that the Palestinian state wasn't declared is hardly the fault of Israel and nor is the result of collusion between Israel and any other Arab entity. How could it be?

Israel wasn't even recognized by ANY of the 22 Arab League states including Jordan. In fact, Jordan evicted all the Jewish citizens of the West Bank, though part of the city was held by Israel due to that miraculous road I mentioned earlier, which the UN recognized as a link to Israel proper.

Silliest of all is the allegation that Israel had some powerful, European-trained army. In fact, when war broke out it had something like 3 airplanes, and in one battle they were bombing tanks with bottles of seltzer from a piper cub. Any "European Training" was derived from the fact that Palestinian Jews had fought for Britain in WWII, which rewarded their loyalty by disarming them in the face of Arab aggression.

And in fact it was an American, Colonel Marcus, who rescued the disorganized Jewish militias, wrote training manuals and helped forge them into a unified army. Some of the fighters were just kids, some were women, many were Holocaust survivors fresh off the boat with no training at all. In one battle they died with the safety catches on their rifles still in place.

Indeed, at one point the British actually threatened to fight on the side of the Arabs and didn't recognize Israel for months, in spite of the fact that Churchill urged them to do so.

"Zionist" history? Indeed.

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  -The Whitewashing of Ariel Sharon realFedUp  Jan-07-06 04:48 PM   #0 
  - Thanks, I liked that one too.  bemildred   Jan-07-06 04:51 PM   #1 
  - Fuck him. Kick Sharon when he's up, down, or whenever.  Spiffarino   Jan-07-06 04:56 PM   #2 
  - Sharon RRRRRRRAWWWWKSSSS!!!!!!!!  Jim Sagle   Jan-07-06 04:57 PM   #3 
  - of course he does  Djinn   Jan-12-06 10:47 PM   #69 
  - I love what these UC and CSU profs do on MY CREDIT CARD  Coastie for Truth   Jan-07-06 05:07 PM   #4 
  - what are they doing on your credit card? nt  realFedUp   Jan-07-06 05:11 PM   #5 
  - Exercising their full rights of freedom of speech  Coastie for Truth   Jan-07-06 05:20 PM   #7 
     - you bet.  realFedUp   Jan-07-06 05:24 PM   #8 
  - gotta love the guy who professes admiration for Hitler, eh?  thebigidea   Jan-07-06 07:28 PM   #13 
     - missed the irony, eh?  Behind the Aegis   Jan-08-06 04:57 AM   #16 
  - As difficult as it may be,  Poppyseedman   Jan-07-06 05:19 PM   #6 
  - I guess I like the whole story, not just the ones people want to believe.  realFedUp   Jan-07-06 05:25 PM   #9 
  - What is ironic...  regnaD kciN   Jan-07-06 05:45 PM   #10 
  - I agree.  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-07-06 06:10 PM   #11 
  - Well said.  DavidD   Jan-07-06 07:14 PM   #12 
  - That is the zionist version of history  julianer   Jan-11-06 05:54 AM   #23 
     - Israel didn't exist, but Jews did  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 08:47 AM   #30 
     - where do you get that figure from  Djinn   Jan-12-06 10:49 PM   #70 
     - You are glaringly ignorant.  gulfcoastliberal   Jan-20-06 09:15 PM   #95 
  - people could use the same weak excuses for Bush  thebigidea   Jan-07-06 07:31 PM   #14 
  - Iraq did not attack the U.S.  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-07-06 08:04 PM   #15 
  - Every One Seems To Forget Plan Dalet  wellst0nev0ter   Jan-08-06 06:59 AM   #17 
  - Where is this written? Or is it mythology by anti-semites?  Sarah Ibarruri   Jan-08-06 08:56 AM   #18 
  - Not funny...but ironic, for sure.  Behind the Aegis   Jan-11-06 03:02 AM   #22 
  - The "best line ever" could also be applied to the Pals, who had their land  Wordie   Jan-13-06 12:10 AM   #74 
  - This is the zionist version of history  julianer   Jan-11-06 05:57 AM   #24 
     - those pesky Zionists...  Behind the Aegis   Jan-11-06 06:44 AM   #25 
     - You know what's scary? This revisionism. It's amazing.  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 11:20 AM   #44 
     - The Israel-Jordan Connection is not revisionism  liberalpragmatist   Jan-11-06 12:31 PM   #47 
        - There's no question  eyl   Jan-11-06 12:36 PM   #48 
        - Fair enough  liberalpragmatist   Jan-11-06 12:41 PM   #49 
        - I understand and appreciate what you are saying. However,  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 04:54 PM   #60 
           - ~Star Wars Ep I - Attack Of The Nazi Arabs~  Englander   Jan-12-06 01:38 AM   #68 
           - Yet that "tolerant" Israeli society denied land ownership to Arabs for  Wordie   Jan-13-06 12:18 AM   #75 
     - Oh yes it is...and everybody goddamn well knows it.  Jim Sagle   Jan-11-06 06:59 PM   #64 
     - Prove it's not true.  gulfcoastliberal   Jan-13-06 08:33 PM   #82 
  - "Historic Palestine"? And what would that be?  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 05:09 PM   #62 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-10-06 04:45 PM   #19 
  - The origin of the Palestine- Israeli conflict  RJnAbbysNana   Jan-10-06 05:10 PM   #20 
  - The definition of Colonialism  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 08:50 AM   #32 
  - "If Americans Knew"  Behind the Aegis   Jan-11-06 06:48 AM   #26 
  - "European-trained soldiers with up-to-date weaponry"  eyl   Jan-11-06 07:37 AM   #27 
  - Correct  tinnypriv   Jan-11-06 08:44 AM   #29 
  - Check your source - and who they sleep with and are funded by  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 08:38 AM   #28 
  - A site run by the Washington Report on Mideast Affairs  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 08:48 AM   #31 
  - Congress Creep Paul Findley and Lieutenant Jim Ennes - NT  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 09:50 AM   #35 
  - THIS SITE IS FULL OF FACTUAL ERROR AND BIAS.  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 10:58 AM   #39 
     - Findley blamed "the Jewish lobby" for how americans  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 11:17 AM   #42 
     - In his 1982 campaign where he lost to Durbin  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 12:44 PM   #50 
        - This IS a Democratic board, isn't it?  Jim Sagle   Jan-11-06 07:02 PM   #65 
           - not half as puzzling as your constant defense  Djinn   Jan-12-06 10:55 PM   #72 
              - The commission decided no such thing. Check it out.  Jim Sagle   Jan-13-06 12:00 AM   #73 
              - have you ever read it?  Djinn   Jan-13-06 12:46 AM   #76 
                 - What the report actually found Sharon responsible for  eyl   Jan-13-06 05:39 AM   #77 
                    - You are downplaying a report that many already considered a whitewash!  Wordie   Jan-13-06 11:51 AM   #78 
                       - "Downplaying"?  eyl   Jan-13-06 03:43 PM   #79 
                          - Many feel the report did not go far enough.  Wordie   Jan-13-06 08:37 PM   #83 
                             - I'll leave my personal opinions on the matter  eyl   Jan-14-06 04:56 AM   #84 
                             - I'll leave my personal opinions on the matter  eyl   Jan-14-06 04:57 AM   #85 
              - Let me explain something to you, Djinn.  Jim Sagle   Jan-13-06 08:05 PM   #80 
                 - no-one said it was  Djinn   Jan-17-06 02:33 AM   #86 
     - Oh, the irony.  Englander   Jan-11-06 01:26 PM   #54 
  - what?  Djinn   Jan-12-06 10:52 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-11-06 01:15 AM   #21 
     - Those who do not agree with me are simply Nazis  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 08:51 AM   #33 
     - That's why they call me GLOCKSTER  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 09:53 AM   #36 
     - WHAT???????????  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 11:01 AM   #40 
  - You should know  tinnypriv   Jan-11-06 08:59 AM   #34 
  - John F. Kennedy  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 10:16 AM   #37 
     - FDR interned Japanese Americans in concentration camps too  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 10:18 AM   #38 
        - Your argument for Israeli actions says more about those actions...  Wordie   Jan-11-06 11:10 AM   #41 
           - what argument have I made defending any particular action?  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 11:18 AM   #43 
              - To use the Japanese internment in WWII as a defense of that...jeez. eom  Wordie   Jan-11-06 12:12 PM   #45 
                 - not a defense  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 12:26 PM   #46 
                    - Ahhh, the old "But mommy, Johnnie did it, so I should be able to." thing.  Wordie   Jan-11-06 12:58 PM   #51 
                       - So "Do as we say, not as we do" is the rule of the day, eh?  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 12:59 PM   #52 
                       - I'd hold my own leaders to the *highest* standard. Should I give Israel  Wordie   Jan-11-06 01:12 PM   #53 
                          - Seems like the debate is hardly being halted here  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 01:32 PM   #55 
                          - Again, the "But Mommy, Johnnie did it" argument, which I reject as having  Wordie   Jan-11-06 02:13 PM   #56 
                             - Nope. No one said end dissent.  TokenJew   Jan-11-06 02:17 PM   #57 
                             - I think it is the height of racism  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 02:26 PM   #58 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-11-06 02:29 PM   #59 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-11-06 07:04 PM   #66 
                                - Plenty of people here do care...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-21-06 02:33 AM   #97 
                          - Another way to put this:  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 05:01 PM   #61 
                       - You know what worries me? What exactly is the goal of this  Colorado Blue   Jan-11-06 05:10 PM   #63 
                       - Once again you are wrong  Coastie for Truth   Jan-11-06 07:29 PM   #67 
                          - Wordie wasn't wrong...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-21-06 02:40 AM   #98 
  - Sounds very much like the arguments folks use to  Malikshah   Jan-13-06 08:30 PM   #81 
  - The demonization of Ariel Sharon  ppaul2005   Jan-19-06 05:52 AM   #87 
     - Ola, muito gusto  barb162   Jan-19-06 10:58 AM   #88 
     - Thanks a Lot  ppaul2005   Jan-19-06 01:04 PM   #89 
        - I will look  barb162   Jan-19-06 01:33 PM   #90 
           - YW  ppaul2005   Jan-20-06 12:55 PM   #92 
     - Boa vinda!  Behind the Aegis   Jan-19-06 01:42 PM   #91 
        - I wish my english were better..,  ppaul2005   Jan-20-06 01:01 PM   #93 
           - I wish my Englidsh were better too  barb162   Jan-20-06 03:32 PM   #94 
              - i agree  ppaul2005   Jan-20-06 11:31 PM   #96 
                 - Especially since I can't seem to spell "English"  barb162   Jan-21-06 02:42 AM   #99 

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