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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:54 PM
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6. Oil and/or Israel - Nth Redux - just for the two of us
As a counterpoint to the "A Clean Break" paper - I would mention that Bush and Cheney - both oil men - would have to be aware of the issues raised by "Peak Oil" - that is, we are running out of cheap, accessible, "sweet crude." What's left is either more expensive to drill, refine, ship, or "steal and defend." As one who has spend most of a career in various positions in the alternative, renewable, and clean energy fields, I would have to say that "peak oil" trumnps "Israel."

See for example,

* DU Peak Oil Group

* The Long Emergency: Surviving the End of the Oil Age, Climate Change, and Other Converging Catastrophes of the Twenty-first Century -- by James Howard Kunstler

* Beyond Oil : The View from Hubbert's Peak by Kenneth Deffeyes

* Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy by Matthew R. Simmons

* Hubbert's Peak : The Impending World Oil Shortage
by Kenneth S. Deffeyes

* Blood and Oil : The Dangers and Consequences of America's Growing Dependency on Imported Petroleum by Michael T. Klare

* Out of Gas: The End of the Age of Oil by David Goodstein

* The Prize : The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power by Daniel Yergin

* Crude Politics : How Bush's Oil Cronies Hijacked the War on Terrorism
by Paul Sperry

BTW - thanks for your previous suggestion of "America Alone: The Neo-Conservatives and the Global Order" by Stefan Halper and Jonathan Clarke. Interesting, not persuasive. But they do have an interesting suggestion of the origin of neo-con thought. That is, they agree with my perception of the change in Irving Kristol's writing in the late 1960's.
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  -Did Israel Lead the US into the War on Iraq? - Plitnick, Beinin, Surasky Coastie for Truth  Jan-07-06 03:14 PM   #0 
  - True or false: "the conflicts in the former Yugoslavia are or were the  Boojatta   Jan-07-06 03:33 PM   #1 
  - Actually, I don't think the conflicts in the former Yugoslavia  Colorado Blue   Jan-07-06 03:43 PM   #2 
  - No. nt  bemildred   Jan-07-06 05:21 PM   #4 
  - Oil has been a primary focus of the developed and developing  Colorado Blue   Jan-07-06 03:51 PM   #3 
  - But the authors point out that there were SEVERAL factors...  Wordie   Jan-07-06 05:54 PM   #5 
     - Oil and/or Israel - Nth Redux - just for the two of us  Coastie for Truth   Jan-07-06 06:54 PM   #6 
     - Neo-conservative motivation for the decision to invade Iraq  Boojatta   Jan-07-06 07:33 PM   #7 
     - Huh?  Wordie   Jan-07-06 10:13 PM   #8 
        - "Huh" motivates clarification. Clarity -- it's a good thing.  Boojatta   Jan-07-06 11:00 PM   #9 
        - Since you like questions:  Wordie   Jan-08-06 12:07 AM   #14 
           - "exercise of that religion in the political sphere in any particular case"  Boojatta   Jan-08-06 10:30 AM   #19 
              - Oh, I see now...  Wordie   Jan-08-06 12:44 PM   #23 
                 - Maybe "Oh, I see now..." means "Welcome to the Israel/Palestine Forum"  Boojatta   Jan-08-06 01:38 PM   #24 
                    - You said: "Maybe if this were a thread in the Nonfiction forum...."  Wordie   Jan-08-06 02:24 PM   #27 
                       - Well, this seems to be a rather long-winded response to your question  Boojatta   Jan-08-06 03:15 PM   #28 
        - Questions are much easier to think up than answers. nt  bemildred   Jan-07-06 11:10 PM   #10 
           - Did I claim that I was ambitious?  Boojatta   Jan-07-06 11:19 PM   #11 
              - Only one this time? nt  bemildred   Jan-07-06 11:35 PM   #12 
     - Wordie, which do you really think, even if Israel were a factor,  Colorado Blue   Jan-08-06 12:02 AM   #13 
        - Let me start out by saying...  Wordie   Jan-08-06 12:31 AM   #15 
           - Well, as I've told you before, I thought that the war in Iraq  Colorado Blue   Jan-08-06 02:38 AM   #16 
           - I don't know your background, education, or where you work  Coastie for Truth   Jan-08-06 10:03 AM   #17 
           - Those were views contained in the article you posted!  Wordie   Jan-08-06 10:54 AM   #20 
              - I'm familiar with the article  Coastie for Truth   Jan-08-06 11:14 AM   #21 
           - I posted the JVP study  Coastie for Truth   Jan-08-06 10:13 AM   #18 
  - In the first Richard Clarke book  barb162   Jan-08-06 12:41 PM   #22 
  - Caring about the Middle East, Visual Art , and lots of other stuff  Boojatta   Jan-08-06 01:52 PM   #25 
  - Very good point.  Coastie for Truth   Jan-08-06 02:02 PM   #26 
  - From Haaretz -  Englander   Jan-09-06 05:38 AM   #29 
     - Old and disproven news (from 2003)  Coastie for Truth   Jan-09-06 09:07 AM   #30 
        - ~~Oil, Empire & Israel.~~  Englander   Jan-09-06 09:49 AM   #31 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-09-06 09:59 AM   #32 
           - Especially by James Howard Kunstler.  Coastie for Truth   Jan-09-06 10:06 AM   #34 
           - Ha!  Englander   Jan-09-06 10:16 AM   #35 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-09-06 10:02 AM   #33 

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