Reply #91: read who he blames.....

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one cant have a frank discussion about israel when israel is always the bad guy towing the US...a Frank discussion means looking at the arab societies and also mentioning/admitting their failures, the contributions to the violence and its repucussions....then you can have a frank discussion

until then, the "pro israeli posters" find themselves constantly defending israel and its tactics an govt.....even when there are "gray" areas of disagreement.

if you would like such a discussion, my advice is to start with those aspects, admit to the strategic and tactical mistakes that much of the arab world has made.....admit that there is an historical relationship with jews to israel and worldwide anti semetism...and then attack israel.....the discussion will be a lot more interesting and balanced.....at least in the beginning. What i suspect will happen is that, for every "attack on israel, there will be a reference to your original posting about the arab countries and their actions...what that will do is place the confict in its rightful place, since the conflict is relational and not within a vacuum.

that would then be an interesting discussion, however one will have to ignore those of less understanding....like frisk, and those who propose "one state solution, and those who profess the israeli jews arent really "jews" etc.....