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Thu Dec-08-05 08:03 AM
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| 32. here we are bogged down in an occupation |
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caught in a downward spiral of violence. We support a country in the same area of the world that is involved in an occupation and the control of an Arab population, entrenched in the same spiral of hatred and violence.
Is there something to learn here? Of course there is!
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| -Robert Fisk:"US Coming Around To the Truth"-IT’S TIME TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-08-05 03:57 AM |
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Israel is like the elephant in the room that no one can talk about |
DoYouEverWonder |
Dec-08-05 04:02 AM |
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I agree completely. This is a great tragedy that helps NO ONE but the |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-08-05 04:10 AM |
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Why is there an Israel/Palestine forum? Not because of a lack of DU |
HereSince1628 |
Dec-08-05 05:02 AM |
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I/P |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 05:08 AM |
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Robert Fisk is not one to have a rational discussion about Israel |
still_one |
Dec-08-05 05:18 AM |
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Very interesting. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 05:36 AM |
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Dec-08-05 07:45 AM |
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. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 07:49 AM |
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I am crtisizing Robert Fisk, as someone we should NOT |
still_one |
Dec-08-05 08:34 AM |
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Kill the messenger! |
No Exit |
Dec-08-05 10:30 AM |
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no it shouldn't get special treatment, and it doesn't |
still_one |
Dec-08-05 11:35 AM |
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Fisk on the "Protocols": an "evil anti-Semitic tract"... |
Wordie |
Dec-08-05 01:10 PM |
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Dec-08-05 03:38 PM |
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Well, please clarify then. |
Wordie |
Dec-08-05 06:47 PM |
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Please answer, Behind the Aegis... |
Wordie |
Dec-09-05 12:59 AM |
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I agree completely - it's an absolutely necessary discussion. Yet we |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-09-05 01:43 AM |
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I think it's much more complicated... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-08-05 08:19 PM |
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Yes, I guess Fisk must be guilty as charged then! |
stickdog |
Dec-08-05 11:04 PM |
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And that's not a rational critique of Fisk... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-08-05 06:19 AM |
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you have a point |
still_one |
Dec-08-05 11:43 AM |
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Yr putting Robert Fisk in the same sentence as Pat Buchanan? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-09-05 04:32 AM |
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Israel RRRRRRAWWWKSSSSS!!!!!!!!! |
Jim Sagle |
Dec-08-05 10:41 PM |
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a very expensive elephant -- |
DELUSIONAL |
Dec-08-05 07:28 AM |
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Well said. n/t |
AzDar |
Dec-08-05 07:41 AM |
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Less than 1% of our taxes are spent helping other countries annually. |
porphyrian |
Dec-08-05 09:58 AM |
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of that 1% too much goes to Israel |
DELUSIONAL |
Dec-08-05 10:17 AM |
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Excuse me? Such a huge percentage of their budget goes to |
Colorado Blue |
Dec-08-05 04:57 PM |
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I've been looking for recent figures and did find this from 1999: |
Wordie |
Dec-08-05 10:54 PM |
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Yeah, like NEW ORLEANS!!!!! |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-08-05 10:38 AM |
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I agree with all your points. Oasis of calm rationality - need more of it |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-09-05 03:29 AM |
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shhh. |
A-Schwarzenegger |
Dec-08-05 04:29 AM |
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kick |
xchrom |
Dec-08-05 04:49 AM |
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whatever! |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 05:07 AM |
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Agree. A very sensitive |
Tom Bombadil |
Dec-08-05 05:20 AM |
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True...in some respects. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 05:30 AM |
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The suicide bombings and |
Tom Bombadil |
Dec-08-05 06:08 AM |
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Dec-08-05 09:50 AM |
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Good photo |
Tom Bombadil |
Dec-08-05 10:00 AM |
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well... |
centristo |
Dec-08-05 12:52 PM |
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Thanks for the links |
Tom Bombadil |
Dec-09-05 10:16 AM |
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THANK YOU. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
Colorado Blue |
Dec-08-05 01:36 PM |
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Yes - an IMPARTIAL look is needed. There is good and bad on all sides |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-08-05 05:33 AM |
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what you are doing |
G_j |
Dec-08-05 08:36 AM |
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mission acomplished n/t |
G_j |
Dec-08-05 02:27 PM |
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Exactly. These attacks just hasten the burial of the thread. And they |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-09-05 01:50 AM |
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:-( |
G_j |
Dec-09-05 11:23 AM |
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It's not SUPPOSED to have "more visibility."It belongs in Israel-PLO forum |
IanDB1 |
Dec-08-05 05:36 AM |
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Ian... |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 05:38 AM |
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Quick question (or 2, I guess) for you |
meganmonkey |
Dec-08-05 08:09 AM |
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sorry, don't see the "peril" if someone disagrees with current US/Isreal |
Lerkfish |
Dec-08-05 08:37 AM |
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ditto |
acmejack |
Dec-08-05 07:48 AM |
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This is a topic about UNITED STATES policy toward Israel. |
Wordie |
Dec-08-05 01:30 PM |
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I would like to be able to |
julianer |
Dec-08-05 05:43 AM |
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. |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 05:47 AM |
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wow, you think death murder rape teror and occupation are funny? |
Cults4Bush |
Dec-08-05 08:31 AM |
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What?!?! |
Behind the Aegis |
Dec-08-05 02:59 PM |
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I understand your sentiments exactly |
burythehatchet |
Dec-08-05 08:19 AM |
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Dec-08-05 09:33 AM |
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why should |
sabbat hunter |
Dec-08-05 08:06 PM |
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Kicked to Greatest Page |
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Dec-08-05 06:51 AM |
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Dec-08-05 08:57 AM |
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Dec-08-05 04:24 PM |
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AIPAC |
Clara T |
Dec-08-05 07:54 AM |
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A reasonable approach |
Coastie for Truth |
Dec-08-05 11:10 PM |
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here we are bogged down in an occupation |
G_j |
Dec-08-05 08:03 AM |
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ANTI-SEMITE!!!!! |
burythehatchet |
Dec-08-05 08:27 AM |
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Excellent article. Thank you. n/t |
bear425 |
Dec-08-05 08:26 AM |
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My Lifetime Has Been The-U.S.-of-Israel, an Unquestioned Given n/t |
UTUSN |
Dec-08-05 09:13 AM |
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Hey, you don't have to tell us. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-08-05 09:14 AM |
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Israel for Dummies |
porphyrian |
Dec-08-05 10:19 AM |
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Dec-08-05 10:30 AM |
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"religious idea central to Judaism" - Jews against Zionism |
rman |
Dec-08-05 10:38 AM |
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Right, sorry I didn't elaborate. |
porphyrian |
Dec-08-05 10:43 AM |
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The idea that it should be created if need be by force, is heresy |
rman |
Dec-08-05 10:47 AM |
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That's one of the debated issues. |
porphyrian |
Dec-08-05 12:04 PM |
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Point is there's a schism of sorts within the jewish community |
rman |
Dec-08-05 02:28 PM |
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Say again |
Coastie for Truth |
Dec-08-05 09:43 PM |
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wow...you havent a clue..... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 12:29 AM |
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It is not counter to the Teachings of the Torah |
Coastie for Truth |
Dec-08-05 09:36 PM |
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Most non-Palestinians are clueless about Israel and Palestine. eom |
Tom Joad |
Dec-08-05 08:54 PM |
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Dec-08-05 10:20 AM |
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Dec-08-05 10:31 AM |
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Cowboy Scooter isn't going to like this. |
No Exit |
Dec-08-05 10:32 AM |
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k&r |
bpilgrim |
Dec-08-05 10:34 AM |
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Mr. FIsk has his own agenda |
still_one |
Dec-08-05 11:59 AM |
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don't we all? |
bpilgrim |
Dec-10-05 08:48 AM |
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dupe of article started Saturday |
barb162 |
Dec-08-05 01:03 PM |
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This thread has 27 recommendations; the discussion is not done. nt |
Wordie |
Dec-08-05 01:27 PM |
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That's not the problem; the dupe threads should be combined |
barb162 |
Dec-08-05 02:39 PM |
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I did not know of the dupe. That is because the Israel/Palestine forum, |
Nothing Without Hope |
Dec-09-05 01:14 AM |
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As an eyewitness to US funded occupation, I tell you it ain't pretty. |
Tom Joad |
Dec-08-05 08:52 PM |
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Fisk is an obsessed loony. Fuck'm. |
Jim Sagle |
Dec-08-05 10:40 PM |
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I/P Ghetto for you, Mr Fisk! |
stickdog |
Dec-08-05 10:59 PM |
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read who he blames..... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 12:41 AM |
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It's the conversation HERE that has descended into that abyss. |
stickdog |
Dec-09-05 01:00 AM |
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Dec-09-05 01:37 AM |
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really? |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 02:37 AM |
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It is Israel who occupies Palestine, that should be clear. |
Tom Joad |
Dec-09-05 01:49 AM |
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and on the other side... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 02:40 AM |
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It is very clear that the starting point for you is 1948. |
Wordie |
Dec-09-05 08:53 AM |
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You read too much into a couple paragraphs... |
Tom Joad |
Dec-09-05 11:08 AM |
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Tom...I was responding to pelsar. |
Wordie |
Dec-09-05 12:29 PM |
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the british... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 01:01 PM |
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Well, I guess that's where we disagree. Although, I really think if you |
Wordie |
Dec-09-05 02:53 PM |
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dont assume..... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 03:20 PM |
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Well, I concur completely about the need to respect others in the debate |
Wordie |
Dec-09-05 04:54 PM |
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very true... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 05:31 PM |
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*Self-determination* is a very nice term for ethnic cleansing here. |
Tom Joad |
Dec-09-05 11:18 AM |
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your application of intl law... |
pelsar |
Dec-09-05 01:04 PM |
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Dec-09-05 01:48 AM |
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Viewpoint: UK war reporter Robert Fisk |
Englander |
Dec-10-05 04:03 AM |
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The truth is................... |
4freethinking |
Dec-13-05 11:17 AM |
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That truth really is - that POV is just a little bit obsolete |
Coastie for Truth |
Dec-13-05 12:08 PM |
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Get with it and get over it |
4freethinking |
Dec-13-05 04:19 PM |
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Noted |
Coastie for Truth |
Dec-13-05 04:26 PM |
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Bizarre response |
4freethinking |
Dec-13-05 04:41 PM |
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not when its irrelevant... |
pelsar |
Dec-13-05 05:25 PM |
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I can guarantee you |
4freethinking |
Dec-13-05 06:19 PM |
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I have been in the energy industry for 30+ years and following I/P and ME |
Coastie for Truth |
Dec-13-05 05:38 PM |
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Okay Coastie |
4freethinking |
Dec-13-05 06:40 PM |
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Except when it isn't - which is most of the time. |
Jim Sagle |
Dec-13-05 07:27 PM |
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