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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. Finally someone who wants to talk about this.
Firearms, despite your attachment to them, are a discretionary purchase for the vast majority of their owners.
True, but.... they are being priced out of any minimum wage workers price range with new fees and the banning of affordable guns.

How does a woman with 3 kids, who is single, and working a $6 an hour job afford a handgun for protection? She cant if she has to pay $300 in fees and, dare i say, penalties before she can even buy the top of the line handgun. Of course to cheapen things up she could buy the CZ handguns for around the price of what her handgun license will cost ~$300.

I am also interested in talking about impact of pricing structures related to race and class, but thats more of a civil rights discussion.

fees for what in this case are mandatory services associated with the purchase, which are mandatory for perfectly good reasons
What would be the perfectly good reason for making a minimum wage person pay half a months salary or more before being able to spend the other months salary on the very best home protection? Are the non wealth at NO risk of robbery, rape, and other hate crimes? Unless gays quit getting beat to death and dragged behind trucks and people in Idaho quit killing blacks for walking past their skinhead compounds and the world becomes a peacefull loving and caring place....I see the need for the poor to have the same protection as the middle and upper class.

I just dont see how it is a choice in this matter. The only choice i see is either to risk the chance that you wont need a gun so dont get one. Or, risk the chance that you will need a gun and get an illegal one without paying all the money. Or even #3, pay all the money to the government so you can exercise your right to protection just like the middle and upper class.
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  -How bout we try the classist/racist thread one more time. 1a2b3c  Sep-08-03 03:43 PM   #0 
  - uh-oh  Romulus   Sep-08-03 04:01 PM   #1 
  - H.R. 3838  MrBenchley   Sep-08-03 04:14 PM   #2 
  - it was primarily a bill to aid the poor and homeless.  1a2b3c   Sep-08-03 11:25 PM   #3 
     - Go peddle that crap  MrBenchley   Sep-09-03 06:23 AM   #4 
        - I guess thats all you could come up with?  1a2b3c   Sep-09-03 03:20 PM   #5 
           - What else did I need?  MrBenchley   Sep-09-03 03:24 PM   #6 
              - Dont feel bad  1a2b3c   Sep-09-03 03:53 PM   #7 
                 - Hey, considering what a steaming pantload it is  MrBenchley   Sep-09-03 03:55 PM   #8 
                 - Waste of my time  1a2b3c   Sep-09-03 04:07 PM   #9 
                    - It sure was....  MrBenchley   Sep-09-03 04:18 PM   #10 
                       - Yo, Grand Master B! Break it down for us one mo time!  Township75   Sep-09-03 08:05 PM   #11 
                          - Gee, what a fitting cap for this RKBA crap  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 07:58 AM   #14 
                             - Where was the racial slur?  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 10:21 AM   #15 
                             - In the Title  CO Liberal   Sep-10-03 10:32 AM   #17 
                                - Amazing, isn't it?  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 10:40 AM   #18 
                                - HAHAHA  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 10:53 AM   #21 
                                   - So why'd you ask?  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 11:13 AM   #25 
                             - A racial slur?  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 01:15 PM   #27 
                                - It Was Uncalled For  CO Liberal   Sep-10-03 02:07 PM   #28 
                                   - LOL  Man_in_the_Moon   Sep-10-03 02:13 PM   #29 
                                   - Certainly never matters to the RKBA crowd...  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 02:26 PM   #33 
                                      - I dont consider that as offensive  demsrule4life   Sep-11-03 09:52 PM   #60 
                                   - Are you going to claim that you've never...  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 02:19 PM   #30 
                                   - I'd Be Happier If This Thread Were Locked  CO Liberal   Sep-10-03 02:21 PM   #31 
                                   - But like a moth drawn to the light...  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 02:23 PM   #32 
                                   - What is bogus about it? -nt  Man_in_the_Moon   Sep-10-03 02:38 PM   #36 
                                   - Why is the argument bogus?  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 08:05 PM   #49 
                                   - Gee, roe....  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 02:28 PM   #34 
                                   - Let the mods determine if it was a racial slur or not.  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 02:34 PM   #35 
                                   - Yeah, surrrrrrrrre.....  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 02:43 PM   #37 
                                      - Just when I was starting to tolerate you...  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 02:59 PM   #39 
                                         - Cry me a river, roe...  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 03:15 PM   #41 
                                   - It wasn't a slur, but it damn sure was rude  LalahLand   Sep-11-03 07:31 PM   #58 
                                      - Ironic, eh?  MrBenchley   Sep-11-03 09:36 PM   #59 
                                   - hmm  iverglas   Sep-10-03 02:44 PM   #38 
                                   - I've done it in the past...  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 03:14 PM   #40 
                                      - Say what?  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 03:36 PM   #42 
                                         - And since 2001 they can't...  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 03:49 PM   #43 
                                            - Gee, roe....  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 03:57 PM   #44 
                                            - Did you just call me a neurotic?  RoeBear   Sep-10-03 04:02 PM   #45 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-03 04:05 PM   #46 
                                            - Must be the strain  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 04:37 PM   #47 
                                   - Its not even considered talking black anymore  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 08:04 PM   #48 
                                      - Be careful...don't use the term "da bomb!"  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:02 AM   #62 
                                   - Co....  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:00 AM   #61 
                                      - Regardless of Generation, It's Offensive  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 08:39 AM   #65 
                                         - Amazing, isn't it?  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 08:48 AM   #67 
                                         - I must disagree, CO  dirk   Sep-12-03 09:44 AM   #74 
                                         - To My Way Of Thinking....  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 10:43 AM   #80 
                                         - Careful, dirk....  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:25 PM   #120 
                                            - Yeah, there 's a lot of that in the RKBA crowd  MrBenchley   Sep-13-03 08:10 AM   #125 
                                         - Maybe its just me  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 12:45 PM   #87 
                                         - Well, We Pretty Much HAD To Go Off On This Tangent......  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 12:55 PM   #88 
                                            - you keep saying that  Man_in_the_Moon   Sep-12-03 01:00 PM   #90 
                                            - It's Been Argued Many Times Before Here At DU  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 01:06 PM   #91 
                                            - No but we have posted links  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 01:16 PM   #94 
                                            - Earth to 1a2b3c.......Earth to 1a2b3c.........  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 01:23 PM   #97 
                                            - Why is that?  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 02:05 PM   #101 
                                            - So when a bank redlines a black neighborhood...  RoeBear   Sep-12-03 02:55 PM   #106 
                                            - What Does That Have to Do With Gun Laws, RoeBear?  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 02:59 PM   #107 
                                            - Well you claim...  RoeBear   Sep-12-03 03:09 PM   #108 
                                            - But The Laws Aren't Designed That Way  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 03:35 PM   #109 
                                            - Whereas red-lining  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 03:44 PM   #111 
                                            - ...Which is Totally Unrelated To The Subject At Hand  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 03:50 PM   #112 
                                            - Exactly so....  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 04:01 PM   #114 
                                            - Also selling the ford pinto  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 03:54 PM   #113 
                                            - Like I ahve said many times  Man_in_the_Moon   Sep-12-03 01:17 PM   #96 
                                            - straw folk  iverglas   Sep-12-03 02:26 PM   #103 
                                            - Co...  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 07:40 PM   #115 
                                            - Nice Try  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 08:48 PM   #121 
                                            - You are lookin at it the wrong way  Man_in_the_Moon   Sep-12-03 09:16 PM   #124 
                                            - So you're trying to tell us  MrBenchley   Sep-13-03 08:40 AM   #126 
                                            - I Wonder Why It Is.......  Paladin   Sep-12-03 08:49 PM   #122 
                                            - Great post....  MrBenchley   Sep-13-03 09:25 AM   #127 
                                            - I still havent seen one single person prove to anyone that its bogus  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 01:14 PM   #93 
                                               - It's Been Proven Time and Time Again, 1a2b3c......  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 01:17 PM   #95 
                                               - Hardly worth bothering...  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 02:21 PM   #102 
                                               - I know you didnt write it  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 02:37 PM   #105 
                                         - Just thought you'd want to know that...  RoeBear   Sep-13-03 12:33 PM   #128 
                                            - Too frigging funny..  MrBenchley   Sep-13-03 01:58 PM   #129 
                                               - Completely out of context...  RoeBear   Sep-13-03 10:12 PM   #130 
                                                  - What a pantload....  MrBenchley   Sep-14-03 10:44 AM   #133 
                 - Actually almost everything costs more in nonwhite neighborhoods  billbuckhead   Sep-09-03 11:43 PM   #12 
                 - Actually i have seen a target  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 10:28 AM   #16 
                    - How would one begin to disprove such utter rubbish?  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 10:42 AM   #19 
                    - yawn  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 10:55 AM   #22 
                       - Since I don't post racist fantasy...  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 11:06 AM   #23 
                    - apples and oranges  iverglas   Sep-10-03 12:51 PM   #26 
                       - I never said the cost should be lower for anyone  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 08:36 PM   #51 
                       - and I framed it in the alternative  iverglas   Sep-11-03 03:25 PM   #57 
                          - Doesn't that argument work equally well for the poll tax?  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:12 AM   #64 
                             - see the other post  iverglas   Sep-12-03 09:11 AM   #69 
                                - You wont win me over with this logic  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 12:56 PM   #89 
                                - and I won't disagree  iverglas   Sep-12-03 01:54 PM   #98 
                                   - Tell me about it  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 02:27 PM   #104 
                                   - and the kitchen sink ...  iverglas   Sep-12-03 03:36 PM   #110 
                                   - How is that different than voting?  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:04 PM   #117 
                                - 'k  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:00 PM   #116 
                       - Where'd he say anything about subsidizing firearms?  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:07 AM   #63 
                          - maybe now  iverglas   Sep-12-03 08:46 AM   #66 
                             - Vermont has the answer to subsidies...  RoeBear   Sep-12-03 09:02 AM   #68 
                             - damn  Romulus   Sep-12-03 09:12 AM   #70 
                             - I'm playing leapfrog!  iverglas   Sep-12-03 09:27 AM   #72 
                             - Why hasn't the NRA challenged?  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 09:27 AM   #71 
                             - I never said anything about subsidizing  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 01:11 PM   #92 
                             - more leapfrog  iverglas   Sep-12-03 01:59 PM   #99 
                                - Please explain to me  1a2b3c   Sep-12-03 02:04 PM   #100 
                             - 'K.....  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:15 PM   #118 
                 - not quite  iverglas   Sep-10-03 01:38 AM   #13 
                    - Finally someone who wants to talk about this.  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 10:48 AM   #20 
                       - What a pantload!  MrBenchley   Sep-10-03 11:10 AM   #24 
                          - Can i get this in writing?  1a2b3c   Sep-10-03 08:11 PM   #50 
                             - One of many.....  MrBenchley   Sep-11-03 08:45 AM   #52 
                                - interesting  Romulus   Sep-11-03 08:58 AM   #53 
                                - another interesting line  1a2b3c   Sep-11-03 01:22 PM   #54 
                                - Here is a link if you want to check it out.  1a2b3c   Sep-11-03 01:26 PM   #55 
                                   - STILL peddling this right wing loony?  MrBenchley   Sep-11-03 02:29 PM   #56 
                                      - Don't Forget Thomas Sowell and Alan Keyes  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 09:34 AM   #73 
                                      - educate me  iverglas   Sep-12-03 09:50 AM   #75 
                                      - An "economist"  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 09:55 AM   #77 
                                      - Isn't Chuck Robb(D) faculty at GMU?  DoNotRefill   Sep-12-03 08:20 PM   #119 
                                         - It Would Take a Billion Chuck Robbs.......  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 08:51 PM   #123 
                                      - Walter Williams  Romulus   Sep-12-03 09:59 AM   #78 
                                      - ah  iverglas   Sep-12-03 10:33 AM   #79 
                                         - Q: How many RKBA "enthusiasts" does it take  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 11:12 AM   #81 
                                            - Well, It Takes One To Shoot Out the Old Light Bulb.......  CO Liberal   Sep-12-03 11:29 AM   #82 
                                            - LOL!  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 11:44 AM   #84 
                                            - who needs lightbulbs  Man_in_the_Moon   Sep-12-03 11:40 AM   #83 
                                            - har! - a contest!  iverglas   Sep-12-03 12:22 PM   #85 
                                               - Since blind people ought to be armed  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 12:41 PM   #86 
                                      - Walt Williams!!  MrBenchley   Sep-12-03 09:52 AM   #76 
                                      - What is the "black opinon"?  demsrule4life   Sep-14-03 07:54 AM   #132 
                                         - Tell you what, dems  MrBenchley   Sep-14-03 10:45 AM   #134 
  - "Free white men..." That's also sexist.  draftcaroline   Sep-13-03 10:40 PM   #131 
     - You should read the laws on being a member of the militia  1a2b3c   Sep-14-03 11:32 AM   #135 
 

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