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19. 1st, 2nd, 4th, etc
Who are "the people" in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments? Does the first just grant the right to the media?

Even if well regulated meant what you thought it did. What would that have to do with it being an individual right? It would be a right that is regulated. How can "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" mean the right of the state to raise armies? The 2nd says a militia is important, so the RKBA shall not be infringed.

The BOR recognizes certain inalienable rights that all humans have. The word "people" is used several times in the BOR, each time it refers to people like you and me. If they wanted to say state they would have said "the right of the state". Besides states are banned from raising armies for a reason.

Can you name a single collective right?
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  -The Amazingly Dishonest Professor Amar MrBenchley  Aug-28-03 08:45 AM   #0 
  - Because it worked with the Fundies...  preciousdove   Aug-28-03 09:01 AM   #1 
  - Got it in one  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 09:19 AM   #2 
  - gee  Romulus   Aug-28-03 09:24 AM   #3 
  - So why is he pretending there's no adjective  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 09:30 AM   #4 
  - Oh boy a new play ground  BullDozer   Aug-28-03 09:52 AM   #5 
  - And the same old dishonest RKBA shit  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 10:13 AM   #6 
     - ...  BullDozer   Aug-28-03 01:24 PM   #13 
        - Gee, dozer  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 01:35 PM   #14 
           - Just to make it easier for some  BullDozer   Aug-28-03 06:10 PM   #15 
              - So why is professor nutso pretending there's no adjective?  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 06:28 PM   #16 
                 - And again not a fact in the house from your side  BullDozer   Aug-28-03 06:54 PM   #17 
                    - And again you're dodging the question  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 07:02 PM   #18 
                       - Can you even follow a thread?  BullDozer   Aug-28-03 07:30 PM   #20 
                          - So why is professor nutso lying?  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 07:45 AM   #21 
                             - Try comprehension sometime you might like it  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 08:34 AM   #23 
                                - Dozer, tell us why professor nutso lies  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 09:07 AM   #24 
                                   - Spin that broken record again B  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 11:26 AM   #25 
                                      - So why is Professor Nutso lying?  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 11:29 AM   #26 
                                         - Every-"Constituting each and all members of a group without exception"  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 12:34 PM   #29 
                                            - Otherwise known as COLLECTIVE  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 12:37 PM   #30 
                                               - Where?  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 01:42 PM   #37 
                                                  - Here on earth  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:49 PM   #40 
                                                     - Strength in numbers  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 06:08 PM   #50 
                                                     - And not three braincells in the RKBA bunch  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 07:31 AM   #55 
                                                     - Next  BullDozer   Aug-30-03 09:53 AM   #63 
                                                     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-03 04:46 PM   #69 
                                                     - Which makes you neither a militia OR well-regulated.  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 07:58 AM   #77 
                                                     - Your phonographic disc is broken, and wrong  BullDozer   Aug-31-03 12:38 PM   #85 
                                                     - Which makes you neither a militia OR well-regulated  MrBenchley   Sep-01-03 10:50 AM   #93 
  - Jeez, not another "dishonest professor" thread  slackmaster   Aug-28-03 10:26 AM   #7 
  - There's nothing BUT dishonest RKBA professors  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 10:45 AM   #8 
     - Horseshit and hysteria....LMFAO  Spoonman   Aug-28-03 11:17 AM   #9 
        - RKBA horseshit and hysteria  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 11:23 AM   #10 
           - And guess what else  Spoonman   Aug-28-03 11:51 AM   #11 
              - Who could guess what sort of hysterical horseshit  MrBenchley   Aug-28-03 11:57 AM   #12 
  - 1st, 2nd, 4th, etc  dustind   Aug-28-03 07:16 PM   #19 
  - So why is professor nutso lying?  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 08:30 AM   #22 
  - Just tell us what it means?  556   Aug-29-03 11:43 AM   #27 
  - It means that the RKBA movement is based on lies  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 11:57 AM   #28 
     - quick question  Romulus   Aug-29-03 12:43 PM   #31 
     - Because they're collective rights  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:09 PM   #32 
     - Okay......  556   Aug-29-03 01:30 PM   #33 
     - Throughout American history  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:38 PM   #35 
        - Then why  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 01:48 PM   #39 
           - Then why did the states lay out the money?  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:55 PM   #43 
              - It's always more  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 06:23 PM   #51 
              - the right belongs to the people  hansberrym   Aug-30-03 01:16 AM   #52 
              - And the adjective is right in front of "militia"  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 07:33 AM   #56 
                 - It's simple  BullDozer   Aug-30-03 09:39 AM   #59 
                    - it's even simpler than that  hansberrym   Aug-30-03 12:54 PM   #67 
              - the right belongs to the people  hansberrym   Aug-30-03 01:22 AM   #53 
                 - Yeah, yeah, yeah...  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 09:44 AM   #60 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-03 09:56 AM   #64 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-03 04:48 PM   #70 
                       - No facts on the RKBA side  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 07:59 AM   #78 
                          - All facts all the time  BullDozer   Aug-31-03 12:39 PM   #86 
                             - All facts all the time, always avoided by the RKBA crowd  MrBenchley   Sep-01-03 10:53 AM   #94 
     - So close........  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 01:44 PM   #38 
        - Right on the money  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:50 PM   #41 
           - They are your words B  BullDozer   Aug-30-03 02:09 AM   #54 
              - All = collective  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 07:34 AM   #57 
                 - Grade school grammar lessons  BullDozer   Aug-30-03 10:15 AM   #66 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-03 04:49 PM   #71 
                    - Which the RKBA crowd clearly cannot absorb  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 08:13 AM   #81 
                    - And all is where?  BullDozer   Aug-31-03 12:59 PM   #87 
                       - It's called a collective noun...  MrBenchley   Sep-01-03 10:54 AM   #95 
                    - and then  iverglas   Sep-02-03 03:30 PM   #107 
     - IN FACT, the NRA is currently suing on first amendment grounds  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:31 PM   #34 
        - I think that's backwards  Romulus   Aug-29-03 01:41 PM   #36 
           - Not even close to true  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 01:53 PM   #42 
              - Recycling is good for the environment  BullDozer   Aug-29-03 05:55 PM   #49 
              - And the truth remains the truth  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 09:46 AM   #61 
                 - Already answered  BullDozer   Aug-30-03 10:05 AM   #65 
                    - And a silly answer it is too.....  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 05:13 PM   #74 
                       - Care to point me at...  RoeBear   Aug-30-03 05:19 PM   #75 
                       - Are you REALLY going to pretend the NRA is NOT opposing  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 08:06 AM   #79 
                          - You said...  RoeBear   Aug-31-03 08:19 AM   #83 
                             - You mean THOSE examples weren't enough?  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 09:00 AM   #84 
                                - Brady Sunsets? That's news to me!  BullDozer   Aug-31-03 01:21 PM   #89 
                                   - Gee, here's an RKBA lunatic gloating about it  MrBenchley   Sep-01-03 10:58 AM   #96 
                                      - Talk about uninformed grandstanding....  DoNotRefill   Sep-04-03 01:03 AM   #134 
                                         - Gee, that's all the RKBA crowd ever does  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 08:35 AM   #140 
                                            - Not so...  DoNotRefill   Sep-06-03 03:52 PM   #162 
                                            - Yes so....  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 07:47 AM   #176 
                       - More anti trash  BullDozer   Aug-31-03 01:19 PM   #88 
                          - Dozer, you can pretend all you want  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 07:30 AM   #100 
                             - I'll ask again.  BullDozer   Sep-02-03 07:39 PM   #109 
                                - Been there, done that  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 08:37 PM   #110 
                                   - Where are your facts?  BullDozer   Sep-02-03 09:51 PM   #112 
                                      - Been there, done that  MrBenchley   Sep-03-03 07:09 AM   #121 
                                         - Where was that?  BullDozer   Sep-03-03 08:25 AM   #124 
                                            - Go play "let's pretend" with someone dumb enough to play along  MrBenchley   Sep-03-03 08:40 AM   #125 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-03-03 11:12 AM   #129 
                                            - Still no proof  BullDozer   Sep-03-03 07:20 PM   #130 
                                            - Go pimp for the NRA to someone dumb enough to buy your rubbish  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 07:38 AM   #135 
                                            - Still no proof  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 08:35 AM   #139 
                                            - Been there, done that  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 08:36 AM   #141 
                                            - Still waiting for proof.  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 08:43 AM   #143 
                                            - Been there, done that  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 08:58 AM   #146 
                                            - Where was that?  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 09:00 AM   #148 
                                            - Benchley refuses to...  RoeBear   Sep-04-03 08:20 PM   #154 
                                            - Been there, done that  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 09:10 AM   #149 
                                               - Still waiting for proof from you  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 07:28 PM   #151 
                                               - Hold your breath and count to one thousand  MrBenchley   Sep-05-03 07:56 AM   #155 
                                               - That's telling  BullDozer   Sep-06-03 11:45 AM   #158 
                                               - Peddle the NRA rubbish  MrBenchley   Sep-06-03 06:00 PM   #165 
                                               - Still not a fact from you in sight.  BullDozer   Sep-06-03 07:18 PM   #170 
                                               - Only facts in sight are from me  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 07:42 AM   #173 
                                               - Where were your facts?  BullDozer   Sep-07-03 12:16 PM   #180 
                                               - We?  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 12:20 PM   #181 
                                               - Read the thread and see  BullDozer   Sep-07-03 12:49 PM   #186 
                                               - Peddle it to him then  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 01:23 PM   #188 
              - Oh, man....  DoNotRefill   Sep-06-03 07:31 PM   #171 
     - gotta jump in (minor edit)  iverglas   Aug-29-03 02:10 PM   #44 
        - thank you for a thoughtful post  Romulus   Aug-29-03 02:18 PM   #45 
        - you're most welcome!  iverglas   Aug-29-03 05:34 PM   #48 
        - Actually, and somewhat peculiarly  MrBenchley   Aug-29-03 02:18 PM   #46 
           - nuh uh  iverglas   Aug-29-03 05:33 PM   #47 
              - Sorry  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 07:39 AM   #58 
              - Try again  BullDozer   Aug-30-03 09:52 AM   #62 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-03 04:51 PM   #73 
              - Which makes you neither a militia OR well-regulated.  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 08:10 AM   #80 
                 - Anything other than your drivel?  BullDozer   Aug-31-03 01:27 PM   #90 
                    - So why is professor nutso lying?  MrBenchley   Sep-01-03 10:59 AM   #97 
              - let's keep trying  iverglas   Sep-01-03 02:46 PM   #98 
                 - thanks for clarifying  hansberrym   Sep-02-03 01:43 AM   #99 
                 - it's all extremely interesting  iverglas   Sep-02-03 02:45 PM   #106 
                    - reply  hansberrym   Sep-03-03 12:48 AM   #118 
                       - heh again  iverglas   Sep-03-03 10:38 AM   #128 
                 - To clarify  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 07:35 AM   #101 
                    - yep  iverglas   Sep-02-03 12:33 PM   #104 
                    - In fact  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 02:05 PM   #105 
                    - Points  BullDozer   Sep-02-03 07:32 PM   #108 
                       - Peddle it to someone dumb enough to buy it  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 08:39 PM   #111 
                          - Still dodging I see  BullDozer   Sep-02-03 10:12 PM   #114 
                             - What a pantload  MrBenchley   Sep-03-03 07:11 AM   #122 
                                - Ask and answered  BullDozer   Sep-03-03 08:23 AM   #123 
                                   - In other words, it's a load of RKBA hooey  MrBenchley   Sep-03-03 08:42 AM   #126 
                                      - Tsk tsk tsk  BullDozer   Sep-03-03 07:54 PM   #132 
                                         - In other words it is RKBA hooey  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 07:40 AM   #136 
                                            - and?  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 08:34 AM   #138 
                                               - And it is RKBA hooey  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 08:38 AM   #142 
                                                  - Still waiting for proof from you  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 08:44 AM   #145 
                                                  - Head to the nearest dictionary  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 09:00 AM   #147 
                                                  - That won't work for your claim  BullDozer   Sep-04-03 06:41 PM   #150 
                                                  - The hell it won't...  MrBenchley   Sep-05-03 07:58 AM   #156 
                                                  - Once again  BullDozer   Sep-06-03 12:50 PM   #159 
                                                  - And once again....  MrBenchley   Sep-06-03 06:03 PM   #166 
                                                  - Do you bother to read?  BullDozer   Sep-06-03 07:06 PM   #169 
                                                  - Go play your semantic games  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 07:44 AM   #174 
                                                  - The ganmes are all yours  BullDozer   Sep-07-03 12:09 PM   #179 
                                                  - "unorganized" does NOT mean "well regulated"  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 12:21 PM   #182 
                                                  - and?  BullDozer   Sep-07-03 12:42 PM   #184 
                                                  - and you're still pouting  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 12:48 PM   #185 
                                                  - Where?  BullDozer   Sep-07-03 12:50 PM   #187 
                                                  - Been there....done that  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 01:25 PM   #189 
              - Here's 2 good links  draftcaroline   Sep-08-03 02:21 AM   #191 
  - your premise os flawed  hansberrym   Aug-30-03 01:26 PM   #68 
  - Yeah, surrrrrrrre....  MrBenchley   Aug-30-03 04:50 PM   #72 
     - more smoke and mirrors from MrBenchley  hansberrym   Aug-30-03 06:09 PM   #76 
        - It's professor nutso trying to make the adjective disappear  MrBenchley   Aug-31-03 08:17 AM   #82 
           - Neither Mr. Amar or anyone else  hansberrym   Aug-31-03 01:51 PM   #91 
              - more...  hansberrym   Aug-31-03 04:25 PM   #92 
              - What a pantload  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 07:39 AM   #103 
                 - reading really can be fun, you should try it.  hansberrym   Sep-02-03 10:26 PM   #115 
                    - Evidently lying is more fun for the RKBA crowd  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 08:44 AM   #144 
              - The hell he doesn't  MrBenchley   Sep-02-03 07:37 AM   #102 
                 - please read the...  hansberrym   Sep-03-03 10:46 PM   #133 
                    - Great, what a pimp thinks of a prostitute...  MrBenchley   Sep-04-03 07:43 AM   #137 
                       - I would never consider  hansberrym   Sep-04-03 08:07 PM   #152 
                       - Tough titty, then  MrBenchley   Sep-05-03 08:38 AM   #157 
                       - I would never consider  hansberrym   Sep-04-03 08:08 PM   #153 
                          - Moore makes his case well enough himself  MrBenchley   Sep-07-03 07:45 AM   #175 
                             - we have reached the heart of the matter  hansberrym   Sep-07-03 12:03 PM   #177 
                             - we have reached the heart of the matter  hansberrym   Sep-07-03 12:03 PM   #178 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-07-03 12:24 PM   #183 
                                - Yes we have...  MrBenchley   Sep-08-03 07:42 AM   #192 
  - When used without any qualifying negation.....  Pert_UK   Sep-02-03 10:04 PM   #113 
  - does it make more sense to offer an opinion  hansberrym   Sep-02-03 10:42 PM   #116 
  - Yes, because of 2 things....  Pert_UK   Sep-02-03 11:02 PM   #117 
     - heh  iverglas   Sep-03-03 10:33 AM   #127 
        - ROFL! This is certainly the right room for an argument......  Pert_UK   Sep-03-03 07:32 PM   #131 
  - how about - Thou shall not  hansberrym   Sep-03-03 01:07 AM   #119 
     - Hmmm............  Pert_UK   Sep-03-03 01:13 AM   #120 
  - Read the actual quote in the context that it was written.  hansberrym   Sep-06-03 02:55 PM   #160 
  - You're missing something.  grantdwilliams   Sep-06-03 03:38 PM   #161 
  - totally incorrect  iverglas   Sep-06-03 05:36 PM   #163 
     - That whole national sovereignity thing...  grantdwilliams   Sep-06-03 06:58 PM   #167 
     - Consider the wording of the preamble  hansberrym   Sep-07-03 03:45 AM   #172 
  - and by the way: "militia"  iverglas   Sep-06-03 05:38 PM   #164 
     - Doesn't that obsevation prove my earlier point?  grantdwilliams   Sep-06-03 06:59 PM   #168 
     - yes,  hansberrym   Sep-08-03 01:48 AM   #190 
 

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