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Hrumph Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-18-04 11:17 AM
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122. My, but you do tend to ramble.
Lessee if I can separate the wheet from the copious chaff in your post;

I never said "all women are stupid, crazy, etc." so just cool yer jets, sweetie. I was simply addressing abusive relationships because you brought them into the discussion. Can't we even agree that the decision to stay in such a relationship is an unsound decision? My guess is that you would not do so yourself - you seem plenty fiesty. You cannot keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. I don't want to see anyone get hurt. How many times have we heard a battered woman say "but I love him" when someone tells her to get out of the situation? I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities but that IS stupid! If you're going on a long trip by air and the plane looks rickity when you get on it, then major components keep breaking at every layover... STOP GETTING ON THE FRICKIN PLANE, IT MIGHT CRASH! When it DOES crash, it shouldn't be a surprise. Everyone has a responsibility to him/hersef to look out for him/hersef. Does that release the airline from its responsibility to maintain the aircraft? Of course not. But hell, don't get on the frickin plane if you have every reason to believe it's going to crash.

On to other points you raise... I will concede that many Americans would comply with an outright ban on handguns. In that event, we would probably see a reduction in the number of people shooting themselves or others due to stupid accidents. But you're talking about homicides. Further, you want to differentiate between "handgun homicides" and other homicides and this is where the whole point about intent comes in. I'll go further to conceed that if you were, in fact, able to make handguns unavailable or prohibitively expensive for the majority of criminals, then you've still done nothing to address the intent. Dope dealers will still kill each other over money and drugs and sociopaths will still murder others just cuz, they'll just use something besides a gun to do it. If you somehow managed to reduce "handgun deaths" by 1000 but other homicides rose by a similar number, then you haven't really fixed anything. Unless, that is, you just feel better about people being stabbed to death instead of shot.

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  -As long as our country breeds people like this the_gun_industry  Jun-16-04 07:59 AM   #0 
  - Probably a freeper. He read to many of their hate-filled messages about  tandot   Jun-16-04 08:10 AM   #1 
  - But Michael Moore preaches gun control  BushHater2004   Jun-19-04 06:22 PM   #129 
  - are you seriously suggesting  iverglas   Jun-16-04 08:15 AM   #2 
  - Where were the police?  Bowline   Jun-17-04 11:47 PM   #110 
     - where were their parents??  iverglas   Jun-18-04 09:24 AM   #114 
     - You're kidding right?  Quint57   Jun-18-04 10:53 AM   #120 
  - So you can draw and fire your guns in your sleep?  library_max   Jun-16-04 08:55 AM   #3 
  - Where did it say they were murdered in their sleep?  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 11:21 AM   #38 
     - Well, I guess some of us might be sitting up at 1 am,  library_max   Jun-16-04 03:01 PM   #69 
        - Come on L-M He had to pull guard duty.  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 03:05 PM   #70 
        - Nah, nobody ever stays up  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 03:36 PM   #81 
  - Ban kitchen knives!  Columbia   Jun-16-04 08:59 AM   #4 
  - I was really concerned about this story...  turnkey   Jun-16-04 09:02 AM   #5 
  - Yes, you can filet meat and slice vegetables with a handgun.  library_max   Jun-16-04 10:51 AM   #22 
     - Peel? No. But it works great as a juicer! n/t  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 11:13 AM   #33 
  - And As Long As People Keep Guns....  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 09:45 AM   #6 
  - As if criminals give a shit about gun control laws  el_gato   Jun-16-04 10:07 AM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-04 10:11 AM   #8 
  - go cry to someone who gives a shit  el_gato   Jun-16-04 10:16 AM   #9 
     - Gato, Gato, Gato...  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 10:22 AM   #12 
     - Boring  el_gato   Jun-16-04 10:42 AM   #20 
        - When's the last time you saw the phrase "reasonable abortion controls"  library_max   Jun-16-04 10:57 AM   #24 
           - it's called "partial birth abortion" incase you haven't noticed  el_gato   Jun-16-04 10:58 AM   #25 
              - More Like Classic Apples and Oranges  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 10:59 AM   #26 
                 - Your just upset that most DUers are not gun-control freaks  el_gato   Jun-16-04 11:04 AM   #28 
                    - And It Sounds Like You're Just Plain Upset  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 11:29 AM   #40 
                       - I'm having a great time actually  el_gato   Jun-16-04 12:25 PM   #44 
     - that's some advice you might want to consider  iverglas   Jun-16-04 10:26 AM   #14 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-16-04 10:39 AM   #19 
           - smoke a-swirlin'  iverglas   Jun-16-04 11:06 AM   #30 
              - Try reading instead of ranting sometime  el_gato   Jun-16-04 12:28 PM   #45 
  - As the Stories in the "Guns in the News" Threads Attest....  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 10:19 AM   #10 
     - Last I checked  Lamorat   Jun-16-04 10:21 AM   #11 
        - But They May Be Law-Abiding Citizens...  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 10:24 AM   #13 
        - Agreed.  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 10:28 AM   #15 
        - Well put...  Township75   Jun-16-04 10:33 AM   #17 
        - Everything you support...  Township75   Jun-16-04 10:30 AM   #16 
        - You Would Lose That Bet  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 10:48 AM   #21 
           - Concealed carry  Lamorat   Jun-16-04 11:14 AM   #34 
           - I Disagree  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 03:29 PM   #77 
           - Can you document the rise of shootings by CCW holders?  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 11:31 AM   #41 
           - Hell...  T Town Jake   Jun-16-04 10:58 PM   #98 
              - There Is Still The Potential for Mayhem...  CO Liberal   Jun-17-04 06:53 AM   #101 
                 - Your fear is irrational.  Hrumph   Jun-17-04 11:55 AM   #107 
                    - there goes Dr. Armchair  iverglas   Jun-18-04 08:34 AM   #112 
                       - That's not what I said, and you know it.  Hrumph   Jun-18-04 10:13 AM   #117 
                          - If I knew what you were talking about  iverglas   Jun-18-04 11:04 AM   #121 
           - I think I would win that bet.  Township75   Jun-16-04 12:33 PM   #47 
              - Their opposition to CCW shows you the real agenda  el_gato   Jun-16-04 12:37 PM   #48 
        - and if they're not  iverglas   Jun-16-04 10:34 AM   #18 
        - What you call reasonable  Lamorat   Jun-16-04 11:17 AM   #37 
        - But in a free society, you're still not allowed to own anything you want.  library_max   Jun-16-04 10:54 AM   #23 
           - You reveal your true thoughts  el_gato   Jun-16-04 11:01 AM   #27 
              - I've Seen No One On The Board Advocate "Gun-Grabbing"  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 11:07 AM   #31 
              - Here's one example, CO  slackmaster   Jun-16-04 11:16 AM   #36 
                 - His Post Appears to Be Sarcastic in Nature  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 01:56 PM   #57 
                    - Sarcastic?  FeebMaster   Jun-16-04 02:04 PM   #60 
                    - He hasn't recanted it  slackmaster   Jun-16-04 03:06 PM   #71 
                    - And Even If He DOES Mean It...  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 03:21 PM   #74 
                       - Well you know CO  FeebMaster   Jun-16-04 03:24 PM   #75 
                       - Put It This Way  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 03:32 PM   #78 
                       - You and I are pretty much in agreement there  slackmaster   Jun-16-04 03:34 PM   #80 
                          - I Guess I'm a White-Knuckle Driver, Too...  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 03:41 PM   #83 
                             - three accidents in four years  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 03:43 PM   #84 
                                - In Three Different Vehicles  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 03:51 PM   # 
                                   - With your luck  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 04:06 PM   #87 
                                      - No, Thanks  CO Liberal   Jun-16-04 04:38 PM   #89 
                    - Not sarcastic, CO Liberal.  library_max   Jun-16-04 05:14 PM   #91 
                       - okay, I'll bite  iverglas   Jun-16-04 05:39 PM   #94 
                          - What do poor people do for subsistence in the city?  library_max   Jun-16-04 06:05 PM   #95 
                             - agree on the principle  iverglas   Jun-16-04 07:47 PM   #96 
                                - Well, you can't change the culture, but you can change the guns.  library_max   Jun-17-04 09:46 AM   #102 
                                - don't apple/orange me now  iverglas   Jun-17-04 10:46 AM   #103 
                                - And there you have it  Hrumph   Jun-17-04 11:43 AM   #106 
                                   - Regarding Prohibition,  library_max   Jun-17-04 04:18 PM   #109 
                                      - And it would have remained law  Hrumph   Jun-18-04 09:14 AM   #113 
                                         - wow  iverglas   Jun-18-04 09:26 AM   #115 
                                            - Can we?  Hrumph   Jun-18-04 10:19 AM   #118 
                                            - Decriminalize homicide!  iverglas   Jun-18-04 10:46 AM   #119 
                                            - The entire body of criminal law exists for no other purpose  library_max   Jun-18-04 03:33 PM   #123 
                                - Some more thoughts.  library_max   Jun-18-04 03:52 PM   #124 
                                   - I'm still wondering how you plan on getting guns banned  FeebMaster   Jun-18-04 03:59 PM   #125 
                                   - oops  FeebMaster   Jun-18-04 03:59 PM   #126 
                                      - You over trained.  TX-RAT   Jun-18-04 04:29 PM   #127 
                                         - My brain said click.  FeebMaster   Jun-18-04 04:56 PM   #128 
              - and someone else reveals an absence of them  iverglas   Jun-16-04 11:16 AM   #35 
              - You post alot of empty accusations  el_gato   Jun-16-04 12:32 PM   #46 
                 - never mind  iverglas   Jun-16-04 12:55 PM   #50 
              - Yes, one of the main purposes of writing is to reveal one's thoughts.  library_max   Jun-16-04 05:08 PM   #90 
  - I can agree with that.  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 11:11 AM   #32 
     - well gee  iverglas   Jun-16-04 11:24 AM   #39 
        - Sounds good to me.  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 11:38 AM   #42 
        - I don't thin that's really reasonable.  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 12:11 PM   #43 
           - well there ya go  iverglas   Jun-16-04 12:41 PM   #49 
           - all those things are already illegal  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 03:00 PM   #68 
              - lordy  iverglas   Jun-16-04 08:04 PM   #97 
                 - Round and round we go.  Hrumph   Jun-17-04 10:52 AM   #104 
                    - I search in vain  iverglas   Jun-17-04 11:58 AM   #108 
                       - My, but you do tend to ramble.  Hrumph   Jun-18-04 11:17 AM   #122 
           - Since you don't like Iver's reasonable gun control  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 12:57 PM   #51 
              - I'll take a stab at a compromise:  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 01:04 PM   #52 
                 - Not bad.  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 01:10 PM   #53 
                 - the problem being ...  iverglas   Jun-16-04 01:23 PM   #54 
                    - Should have left gun show loophole out of that.  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 01:42 PM   #55 
                    - All firearms start out "legal"...  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 01:46 PM   #56 
                       - yeah  iverglas   Jun-16-04 02:01 PM   #58 
                       - Without registration  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 02:04 PM   #59 
                       - You don't think that "another 9/11" involving guns would lead to roundup?  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 02:08 PM   #62 
                       - Did they roundup box-cutters?  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 02:29 PM   #65 
                       - Of course not.  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 03:19 PM   #73 
                          - Neither did the citizens of Zimbabwe  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 03:53 PM   #86 
                             - There is no magic spell  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 04:07 PM   #88 
                                - The belief that privately-owned guns keeps them from changing  library_max   Jun-21-04 04:49 PM   #130 
                       - oh, and  iverglas   Jun-16-04 02:05 PM   #61 
                       - Would you prefer "evil merchant of infant death"?  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 02:09 PM   #63 
                          - arcane antiquities  iverglas   Jun-16-04 02:16 PM   #64 
                             - I think I know why we use "shop" with guns.  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 02:38 PM   #66 
                                - Lots of shops  TX-RAT   Jun-16-04 02:50 PM   #67 
                                - thought of that too  iverglas   Jun-16-04 05:27 PM   #93 
                       - Violates the intent of the Second Amendment?  library_max   Jun-16-04 05:21 PM   #92 
                          - People = citizen militia?  Columbia   Jun-18-04 12:50 AM   #111 
                             - Yes, that and being wrong would be significant deterrents.  library_max   Jun-18-04 10:03 AM   #116 
                 - Some of these  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 03:09 PM   #72 
                 - The license would be proof of course completion.  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 03:28 PM   #76 
                    - The difference is  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 03:33 PM   #79 
                       - Is revoking a license such a bad thing?  OpSomBlood   Jun-16-04 03:37 PM   #82 
                          - Felons are already prohibited  Hrumph   Jun-16-04 03:51 PM   #85 
                 - I'd accept every bit of that...  T Town Jake   Jun-16-04 11:05 PM   #99 
                    - I don't think either side is willing to compromise much.  OpSomBlood   Jun-17-04 06:51 AM   #100 
                       - I think you're right.  Hrumph   Jun-17-04 11:01 AM   #105 
  - tweaker psychosis?  NorthernSpy   Jun-16-04 11:06 AM   #29 

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