We_Have_A_Problem
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Tue Dec-06-11 02:31 PM
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| 5. You missed the facts again Hoyt... |
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Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 02:33 PM by We_Have_A_Problem
NICS checks are not required for private sales. In fact, it is ILLEGAL for an individual to access NICS.
Further, an individual selling his private property cannot obtain an FFL. Nope - can't do it. You wont get one. You have to be in the business of selling firearms.
FFL's do not run checks for private sales - that is ALSO illegal.
You're suggesting someone bribe an FFL (an illegal act) to illegally access NICS in order to illegally facilitate a firearms sale, in order to...what exactly? Generate at least 2 more criminals?
Further, if someone knows he cannot legally possess a firearm, it is illegal for him to obtain one. It is NOT illegal for someone to sell him one.
The AG didn't do his job. The investigators violated the law, and you're suggesting that even more laws should have been violated.
Yes - the typical person tries to sell something for as much as possible. Nothing illegal or immoral about that. I fail to see why you would even imply this was a questionable behavior.
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| -AG says illegal gun show sales commonplace |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 01:54 PM |
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You mean to tell me |
burf |
Dec-06-11 02:06 PM |
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"Entrapment, Entrapment" -- they made me sell guns to people who said they can't pass BG check. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 02:09 PM |
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You missed the facts again Hoyt... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 02:31 PM |
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When someone is at a gun show -- IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED. There's the loophole you guys deny. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 03:41 PM |
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What you believe it should be... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 03:53 PM |
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only 35 bucks? |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 04:07 PM |
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Then there's the whole thing... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 04:14 PM |
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That's one of the things people call a "loophole" . . . . . . because the law needs to be changed. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 11:10 PM |
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So, for less than $100, you are opposed to requiring involvement of FFLs? Besides, |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 08:02 PM |
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Poll tax, much? n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 11:40 AM |
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My FFL charges $20 for a transfer. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 07:54 AM |
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15$ here. 10$ if you have a Texas CHL. n/t |
oneshooter |
Dec-07-11 08:51 AM |
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That's pretty awesome. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 09:30 AM |
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It's not a fucking "loophole", it's a specific construction of fucking law. |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 04:57 PM |
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Pave, however you want to characterize it -call it Hoyt Crap if you like- No BG sales are wrong. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 08:04 PM |
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Then get the law changed so we are ALLOWED and COMPELLED to do them. |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 11:39 AM |
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You could not have sold them |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-06-11 07:39 PM |
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One-eye, I chose to do better than the law by having FFL involved on both ends. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 08:06 PM |
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I- w-i-l-l-- t-y-p-e---s-l-o-w-e-r |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-06-11 09:02 PM |
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Yes, there is a reason, so I don't have to worry about doing something wrong or it not |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 09:08 PM |
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You really don't pay attention do you? |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-06-11 10:18 PM |
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No, OShooter, you aren't paying attention. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 11:08 PM |
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Huh? re ur FACTS |
russ1943 |
Dec-06-11 05:54 PM |
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It's a different legal construct |
Euromutt |
Dec-06-11 06:40 PM |
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The point is. |
russ1943 |
Dec-06-11 07:55 PM |
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Yes, that IS the point |
Euromutt |
Dec-07-11 12:33 AM |
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Why don't you talk to your Congressman and get what is broken fixed. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 08:11 PM |
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Pole vaulting over mouse turds. |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-06-11 02:33 PM |
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Its an epidemic I tell ya! |
burf |
Dec-06-11 03:14 PM |
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Dec-06-11 03:43 PM |
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Now you accuse us of illegally transferring firearms? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 03:54 PM |
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The article you referenced in your OP says otherwise, in New York. |
russ1943 |
Dec-06-11 07:22 PM |
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You seem to overlook and totally ignore the simple fact that they SHOULD BE. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 08:12 PM |
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It is not a fact that it should be |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 12:29 PM |
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But-but-but... |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 05:11 PM |
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Entrapment defense |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-07-11 08:25 AM |
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Is this the same AG that said he knew nothing of Fast and Furious? |
Bum_Whisperer |
Dec-06-11 02:16 PM |
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No, this is the State AG of New York (n/t) |
Euromutt |
Dec-06-11 06:40 PM |
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Isn't the goal to always sell stuff for more than it's worth? |
ileus |
Dec-06-11 02:21 PM |
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...and to anyone with the $$$ in hand? |
TheCowsCameHome |
Dec-06-11 02:38 PM |
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Pretty much. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 02:41 PM |
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So, when gun shows are regulated out of existence, LEO will swoop down on... |
SteveM |
Dec-06-11 02:43 PM |
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All those supposedly law-abiding gun purchasers ain't looking so clean now. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 03:45 PM |
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Don't look any dirtier to me |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 03:56 PM |
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self delete, answer wrong poster. |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 03:57 PM |
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How do you figure? |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 04:10 PM |
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And you ain't sounding any smarter either. n/t |
oneshooter |
Dec-06-11 04:39 PM |
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How many? -.01%? wow. nt |
SteveM |
Dec-06-11 04:45 PM |
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Are you familiar with the word 'aren't |
rl6214 |
Dec-06-11 07:42 PM |
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Try not to use it when posting to those who must strap a gun on before walking into sunshine. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 07:56 PM |
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I don't think you are capable of it |
rl6214 |
Dec-07-11 02:33 AM |
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Do you have any purpose here |
Abq_Sarah |
Dec-07-11 05:52 PM |
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Wow. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 07:58 AM |
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Dec-07-11 09:28 AM |
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Hoyt, you really can't honestly deal with the questions you yourself raise. nt |
SteveM |
Dec-07-11 02:33 PM |
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They were at gunshows in New York State. |
russ1943 |
Dec-06-11 07:05 PM |
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Wait, if the sales are illegal, then how does "lax regulation allow individuals" etc.? |
Euromutt |
Dec-06-11 07:09 PM |
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The article points out it is an enforcement problem. |
russ1943 |
Dec-06-11 07:26 PM |
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It's against the law to sell dope at a Greatful Dead concert |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-06-11 07:54 PM |
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It is illegal under Federal Law |
russ1943 |
Dec-06-11 09:06 PM |
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Your post 31 |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-06-11 09:34 PM |
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The OP is crap. |
russ1943 |
Dec-07-11 01:44 AM |
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The news conference was crap |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-07-11 03:58 AM |
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As far as the news conference and the AGs |
burf |
Dec-07-11 07:07 AM |
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That doesn't answer my question. |
Euromutt |
Dec-06-11 07:58 PM |
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Enough already. |
russ1943 |
Dec-07-11 01:27 AM |
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Will the proposed laws be enforced with the same (lack of) vigor as the current ones? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-07-11 12:20 PM |
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"...background checks on all sales.." has been discussed before... |
SteveM |
Dec-07-11 02:48 PM |
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Do the actions of these "investigators" surprise you? |
rl6214 |
Dec-06-11 07:32 PM |
#32 |
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