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Tue Dec-06-11 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #15 |
| 16. First, no one was killed. |
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Second, if someone had been killed, it may well have been the girl, had she not had the means to defend herself. I would never trust my personal safety to the good will of the people who are robbing me: she was protecting not only her property, but her person as well. Third, I am disgusted by the notion that we should tolerate blatant thievery out of a concern for the physical well-being of thieves. What would police have done had they been there? Any cop would have drawn on these people. Why should the average citizen not do the same? She was completely justified in using a firearm to stop the crime in progress and protect herself.
Killing people over stuff is fucked up? Tell that to the person who comes to take all your stuff and then slaps you around when you object. That and worse happens every day. There are people who will kill you for your stuff. There are people who will kill you even if you give it up, just because they feel like it. You have every right to defend yourself against them.
No one was harmed here. This was a successful defensive use of a firearm, and not a shot was fired.
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| -"It was like a movie... I drew the gun halfway out..." 17-yr-old teen... |
SteveM |
Dec-05-11 04:42 PM |
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Well she shore got a lotta 'tention out of that um, true story. nt |
wtmusic |
Dec-05-11 04:47 PM |
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It's pretty clear what segment of "society" would benefit most from a gun ban. |
Fair Witness |
Dec-05-11 06:09 PM |
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Whoa, hold on pardner. |
wtmusic |
Dec-06-11 09:37 AM |
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Really? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 11:18 AM |
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Dec-06-11 07:35 PM |
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"Don't be a tool"? Only a tool would think that the brady bunch does not want to ban guns. |
cleanhippie |
Dec-06-11 08:15 PM |
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Righttt |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 08:15 PM |
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Perhaps you should look up their actual history: |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 11:37 PM |
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Did you mean to just shoot yourself in the foot (pun intended)? |
wtmusic |
Dec-07-11 12:15 AM |
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Actually no |
gejohnston |
Dec-07-11 12:19 AM |
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What, a mealy-mouthed half-position? |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 07:08 AM |
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How mature. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 07:07 AM |
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Cool story Bro(ette). |
Hassin Bin Sober |
Dec-05-11 04:57 PM |
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For the unbelievers: |
PavePusher |
Dec-05-11 05:07 PM |
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I wonder how the looters would characterize that particular young lady... |
beevul |
Dec-05-11 06:04 PM |
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hateful bitch toter... |
ileus |
Dec-05-11 08:39 PM |
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Anybody know what was worth shooting unarmed people over in carport and backyard? |
Hoyt |
Dec-05-11 07:53 PM |
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anybody know any reason why people go uninvited to property that is clearly not their own? |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Dec-05-11 07:57 PM |
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Hardly worth shooting someone over, but then gunners have invested heavily in capability to |
Hoyt |
Dec-05-11 08:10 PM |
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"I must have had a scary look on my face, because they got the picture and got back in their car and |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Dec-05-11 08:15 PM |
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You are perfectly free to trust the finer instincts of a group of looters. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-05-11 09:09 PM |
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When are you going to stop your make believe BS? |
rl6214 |
Dec-06-11 08:41 PM |
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Thou art troll. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 07:09 AM |
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true dat...would have been better to have let them rape her. |
ileus |
Dec-05-11 08:40 PM |
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Rape? I don't see any evidence rape was on the agenda. But then, you gun carriers imagine |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 05:08 AM |
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Hey chance you gotta take right? I suppose she was unwilling to take that chance... |
ileus |
Dec-06-11 08:14 AM |
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You guys sure have vivid imagination -- sounds a bit paranoid/irrational, but a gun will cure it. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 08:41 AM |
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And yet we aren't the ones calling for a ban on "toting"... |
beevul |
Dec-06-11 03:42 PM |
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Dec-06-11 09:28 AM |
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yeah, these guys in the gungeon are far more worried about RAPE!!!! than any of the women |
Scout |
Dec-06-11 03:27 PM |
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Well, that obviously disqualifies their point of view. |
beevul |
Dec-06-11 03:38 PM |
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Dec-06-11 03:45 PM |
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I'm sure. |
beevul |
Dec-06-11 04:02 PM |
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But this woman did "carry a gun to be able to leave the house." |
SteveM |
Dec-06-11 04:15 PM |
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Did "...any of the women you know" include this l7-yr-old? |
SteveM |
Dec-06-11 04:09 PM |
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"They were rummaging through crap in a carport. " |
rl6214 |
Dec-06-11 09:11 PM |
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All their belongings and property not destroyed by fire? |
PavePusher |
Dec-05-11 09:14 PM |
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It is quite clear that you did not read the article. |
PavePusher |
Dec-05-11 09:17 PM |
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"My ignorance" -- How about applauding someone ready to shoot people rummaging through yard stuff. |
Hoyt |
Dec-06-11 05:14 AM |
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Post #3. |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 07:14 AM |
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You're remarkably eager to bet *other people's* safety and/or money for them. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-06-11 09:46 AM |
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When its YOUR carport... |
beevul |
Dec-06-11 03:33 PM |
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Dec-06-11 03:51 PM |
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Most excellent... |
quickesst |
Dec-07-11 02:07 PM |
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Yeah, because Property Rights, along with the 2nd Amendment, are old-fashioned. |
Common Sense Party |
Dec-06-11 03:33 PM |
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You really want an MSM story of a DGU? Really? |
SteveM |
Dec-06-11 04:22 PM |
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Maybe the fact that they could have broken in, raped, and killed her? |
chrisa |
Dec-06-11 08:33 AM |
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Protecting ones' property: Good Idea(tm) n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 10:54 AM |
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I'm just saying, if I were safe in a house, and people were looting material items outside |
chrisa |
Dec-06-11 11:42 AM |
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you sound mighty sensible ... too sensible for this forum. |
Scout |
Dec-06-11 03:35 PM |
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You missed that whole part about... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 04:17 PM |
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so why would one leave the (relative) safety of the house? |
Scout |
Dec-07-11 10:17 AM |
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"Get out of the house" -- past 3 looters. Kind of risky, no? nt |
SteveM |
Dec-06-11 04:25 PM |
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read for comprehension.... |
Scout |
Dec-07-11 10:16 AM |
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What you said, if you can re-read... |
SteveM |
Dec-07-11 03:32 PM |
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only if there is only ONE way in/out of the house.... |
Scout |
Dec-08-11 07:55 AM |
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To prevent the theft of property that it might taken years of work |
MicaelS |
Dec-06-11 11:20 AM |
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Please point out to me where anyone was shot |
rl6214 |
Dec-06-11 08:29 PM |
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Reading comprehension fail. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 07:09 AM |
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Killing people over stuff is fucked up. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-05-11 10:00 PM |
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First, no one was killed. |
Straw Man |
Dec-06-11 01:01 AM |
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Happens all the time |
pipoman |
Dec-06-11 05:43 AM |
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Lack of reading comprehension is fucked up. nt |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 07:23 AM |
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Yes, your lack of reading comprehension is fucked up. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 08:40 AM |
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Correct - she did not want to... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 09:37 AM |
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Killing someone for stealing is fucking blood-thirsty nuts. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 03:47 PM |
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Think what you wish |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 04:18 PM |
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Fine then. I am crossing 'drive to Texas and steal stuff' off my list. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 04:27 PM |
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Good idea. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 04:32 PM |
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Then you are willing to open up YOUR home to anybody that wants your property? |
oneshooter |
Dec-06-11 04:49 PM |
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I won't kill you if you take my shit, if that is what you are asking. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 06:49 PM |
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Cool - what's your address? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 09:50 AM |
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You may have some interest in the piles of cash and hamster porn I have laying around. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 03:33 PM |
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Funny... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 03:55 PM |
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You asked me a joke question, so I gave you a joke answer. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 04:05 PM |
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I was actually quite serious |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 04:11 PM |
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Ownership is an abstract concept that really only exists in our imaginations. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 04:26 PM |
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Ahh - and here i thought I was having a discussion with a rational person. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 04:31 PM |
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What is the nature of property? What is your philosophy toward the reality of ownership? |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 04:54 PM |
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Nothing abstract about it at all. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 04:59 PM |
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Who owns your body? The state? N/T |
Marengo |
Dec-08-11 03:42 AM |
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So is a zombie horde |
rl6214 |
Dec-07-11 02:30 AM |
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Ha! nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 03:34 PM |
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Is it? |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 08:04 AM |
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I thought about basic survival items, but that was not part of the scenerio in the OP, |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 03:40 PM |
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From the original article: |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 09:43 AM |
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If someone is stealing from me, and my choices were do nothing or kill that person, |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 03:45 PM |
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The problem is.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 04:18 PM |
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I assumed nothing. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 07:07 PM |
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Yes you did. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 09:51 AM |
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I did not assume that in slightest. That is your fantasy about me. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 03:26 PM |
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Here's the problem: Your assumptions are crap. |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 06:44 PM |
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What assumptions? Your post makes no sense. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 07:07 PM |
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Your other bad assumption: the choice is not binary. n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-06-11 06:51 PM |
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Context is important here. I was answering a question. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 07:06 PM |
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Stealing people's property ... |
MicaelS |
Dec-06-11 11:22 AM |
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I agree, but I don't think people would be killed over it. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-06-11 04:29 PM |
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I do. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 04:33 PM |
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I have a super-dislike for thieves. |
Callisto32 |
Dec-07-11 08:01 AM |
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DU is FILLED with thieves. |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 03:29 PM |
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I don't. And that some do is not justification to turn a blind eye. n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 05:07 PM |
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I don't either, nor do I consider "because I want it" sufficient rationale to just take "it". |
Fair Witness |
Dec-07-11 05:33 PM |
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Self-delete, replying to wrong place. Ooops.... n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 06:55 PM |
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I guess that explains why no bank robber has ever been shot and killed by cops. |
Fair Witness |
Dec-07-11 05:09 PM |
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Cops are fucked up. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Dec-07-11 09:17 PM |
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Ban guns, do it for the Looters. |
jeepnstein |
Dec-06-11 08:24 AM |
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