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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 02:44 PM
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45. If you mean "how many" thugs purchasing from shows is OK...
Even one is not "OK."

The problem for any policy and law-maker (and the people who elect them) is where best to expend funds and political capital to solve a clear and significant societal problem (promoting the general welfare), and to do so in a manner which is legal and constitutional. Shutting down or severely restricting gun shows (using measures proposed by advocates of this policy) as a goal does not meet any criteria for economy and political support. Further, there is little if any evidence to show that illegal sales at gun shows are a significant societal problem. And the measures suggested to not address legal concerns; most especially the concerns of federalism and the central government's jurisdiction.

But I may have misunderstood your question.

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  -The Endless Loop of the "Gun Show Loop Hole:" Just say it over and over... SteveM  Dec-04-11 01:43 PM   #0 
  - unrec  jpak   Dec-04-11 01:58 PM   #1 
  - Never let the facts get in the way of rhetoric.  burf   Dec-04-11 02:00 PM   #2 
  - He's gotta license to ...do something.... somewhere....  SteveM   Dec-04-11 02:15 PM   #6 
  - Using facts to form opinions requires intellectual honesty.  ZombieHorde   Dec-04-11 02:09 PM   #4 
  - rec  Tuesday Afternoon   Dec-04-11 03:01 PM   #9 
  - Of course you do, never met a fact you've ever liked.  rl6214   Dec-05-11 01:31 AM   #32 
  - Name some of them and when they were chanting this. Who  brewens   Dec-04-11 02:09 PM   #3 
  - A few voices, but very loud.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 02:14 PM   #5 
  - I'll give you one for starters  burf   Dec-04-11 02:16 PM   #7 
  - The only one you come up with is almost TWO years old? n/t  brewens   Dec-04-11 08:10 PM   #26 
     - Hint; look it up yourself,  burf   Dec-05-11 07:55 AM   #35 
  - There are at least two right here in this thread.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:24 AM   #36 
  - Sorry I could not respond earlier; this whole forum seemed to have "gone down"...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 01:54 PM   #39 
  - Fucking Loopholes -  otohara   Dec-04-11 02:35 PM   #8 
  - Except that they aren't "loopholes". n/t  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 03:12 PM   #10 
  - "let lunatics buy guns"? No, "It shall be unlawful for any person . . . (4) who has been  jody   Dec-04-11 04:37 PM   #11 
  - Meanwhile...back in the real world...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:18 PM   #41 
     - As An Anti-Anti-Gun Liberal  otohara   Dec-05-11 07:36 PM   #46 
        - Lived in Japan for over three years  gejohnston   Dec-05-11 07:44 PM   #47 
        - If you could present arguments based in actual fact...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-06-11 08:39 AM   #49 
  - Rec  Old Codger   Dec-04-11 05:04 PM   #12 
  - Yup.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Dec-04-11 05:46 PM   #13 
  - I agree that gun show promoters should be held responsible for any crimes committed with guns sold  Hoyt   Dec-04-11 05:55 PM   #14 
  - how so if no one has  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 05:57 PM   #16 
  - As long as we hold car dealers to the same standard.  krispos42   Dec-04-11 08:42 PM   #28 
  - Why should the promoter be held responsible?  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:22 PM   #42 
  - Isn't there a similar loophole for purchases at a flea market  pnwmom   Dec-04-11 05:57 PM   #15 
  - it is still an intrastate private sale between two individuals, flea market or ad in the paper does  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 06:10 PM   #19 
  - Oregon  Old Codger   Dec-04-11 09:11 PM   #29 
     - must be through the state police  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 09:16 PM   #30 
  - Also known as the 'water cooler' loophole. And the 'major newspaper' loophole.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:26 AM   #37 
  - Assuming facts not in evidence...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 02:12 PM   #40 
  - they see the "loophole" as a good first step no one would oppose.  ileus   Dec-04-11 06:01 PM   #17 
  - When was this study done, and for what period of time?  TheCowsCameHome   Dec-04-11 06:04 PM   #18 
  - Everything you asked is listed right there in the OP.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 06:31 PM   #21 
     - Ah, yes. 15 year old data.  TheCowsCameHome   Dec-04-11 06:35 PM   #22 
        - So your first attempt to question the scientific study crashed and burned...  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 06:48 PM   #23 
           - What first attempt might that be?  TheCowsCameHome   Dec-04-11 07:01 PM   #25 
  - Same article  ThoughtCriminal   Dec-04-11 06:30 PM   #20 
  - How did the ATF conduct their study?  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 06:55 PM   #24 
  - No indication of how many arms/people involved...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 02:29 PM   #43 
  - As other posters note, the "gun show" figure lumps together disparate categories  Euromutt   Dec-05-11 10:55 PM   #48 
  - Playing devil's advocate here...  krispos42   Dec-04-11 08:41 PM   #27 
  - Quite true.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:28 AM   #38 
  - Doughnut holes have more substance. nt  Remmah2   Dec-04-11 09:50 PM   #31 
  - Criminals buying the guns themselves at gun shows isn't the whole story, though  Euromutt   Dec-05-11 04:41 AM   #33 
  - How many do you think is OK?  Scuba   Dec-05-11 07:26 AM   #34 
     - Could you clarify your question?  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:29 PM   #44 
     - If you mean "how many" thugs purchasing from shows is OK...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 02:44 PM   #45 
 

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