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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:30 PM
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In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.<18> The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."<19> These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."
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As for the earlier study - You think inmates provide accurate information about where they get the tools of their trade? :eyes:
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  -The Endless Loop of the "Gun Show Loop Hole:" Just say it over and over... SteveM  Dec-04-11 01:43 PM   #0 
  - unrec  jpak   Dec-04-11 01:58 PM   #1 
  - Never let the facts get in the way of rhetoric.  burf   Dec-04-11 02:00 PM   #2 
  - He's gotta license to ...do something.... somewhere....  SteveM   Dec-04-11 02:15 PM   #6 
  - Using facts to form opinions requires intellectual honesty.  ZombieHorde   Dec-04-11 02:09 PM   #4 
  - rec  Tuesday Afternoon   Dec-04-11 03:01 PM   #9 
  - Of course you do, never met a fact you've ever liked.  rl6214   Dec-05-11 01:31 AM   #32 
  - Name some of them and when they were chanting this. Who  brewens   Dec-04-11 02:09 PM   #3 
  - A few voices, but very loud.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 02:14 PM   #5 
  - I'll give you one for starters  burf   Dec-04-11 02:16 PM   #7 
  - The only one you come up with is almost TWO years old? n/t  brewens   Dec-04-11 08:10 PM   #26 
     - Hint; look it up yourself,  burf   Dec-05-11 07:55 AM   #35 
  - There are at least two right here in this thread.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:24 AM   #36 
  - Sorry I could not respond earlier; this whole forum seemed to have "gone down"...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 01:54 PM   #39 
  - Fucking Loopholes -  otohara   Dec-04-11 02:35 PM   #8 
  - Except that they aren't "loopholes". n/t  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 03:12 PM   #10 
  - "let lunatics buy guns"? No, "It shall be unlawful for any person — . . . (4) who has been  jody   Dec-04-11 04:37 PM   #11 
  - Meanwhile...back in the real world...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:18 PM   #41 
     - As An Anti-Anti-Gun Liberal  otohara   Dec-05-11 07:36 PM   #46 
        - Lived in Japan for over three years  gejohnston   Dec-05-11 07:44 PM   #47 
        - If you could present arguments based in actual fact...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-06-11 08:39 AM   #49 
  - Rec  Old Codger   Dec-04-11 05:04 PM   #12 
  - Yup.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Dec-04-11 05:46 PM   #13 
  - I agree that gun show promoters should be held responsible for any crimes committed with guns sold  Hoyt   Dec-04-11 05:55 PM   #14 
  - how so if no one has  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 05:57 PM   #16 
  - As long as we hold car dealers to the same standard.  krispos42   Dec-04-11 08:42 PM   #28 
  - Why should the promoter be held responsible?  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:22 PM   #42 
  - Isn't there a similar loophole for purchases at a flea market  pnwmom   Dec-04-11 05:57 PM   #15 
  - it is still an intrastate private sale between two individuals, flea market or ad in the paper does  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 06:10 PM   #19 
  - Oregon  Old Codger   Dec-04-11 09:11 PM   #29 
     - must be through the state police  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 09:16 PM   #30 
  - Also known as the 'water cooler' loophole. And the 'major newspaper' loophole.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:26 AM   #37 
  - Assuming facts not in evidence...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 02:12 PM   #40 
  - they see the "loophole" as a good first step no one would oppose.  ileus   Dec-04-11 06:01 PM   #17 
  - When was this study done, and for what period of time?  TheCowsCameHome   Dec-04-11 06:04 PM   #18 
  - Everything you asked is listed right there in the OP.  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 06:31 PM   #21 
     - Ah, yes. 15 year old data.  TheCowsCameHome   Dec-04-11 06:35 PM   #22 
        - So your first attempt to question the scientific study crashed and burned...  TheWraith   Dec-04-11 06:48 PM   #23 
           - What first attempt might that be?  TheCowsCameHome   Dec-04-11 07:01 PM   #25 
  - Same article  ThoughtCriminal   Dec-04-11 06:30 PM   #20 
  - How did the ATF conduct their study?  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 06:55 PM   #24 
  - No indication of how many arms/people involved...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 02:29 PM   #43 
  - As other posters note, the "gun show" figure lumps together disparate categories  Euromutt   Dec-05-11 10:55 PM   #48 
  - Playing devil's advocate here...  krispos42   Dec-04-11 08:41 PM   #27 
  - Quite true.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:28 AM   #38 
  - Doughnut holes have more substance. nt  Remmah2   Dec-04-11 09:50 PM   #31 
  - Criminals buying the guns themselves at gun shows isn't the whole story, though  Euromutt   Dec-05-11 04:41 AM   #33 
  - How many do you think is OK?  Scuba   Dec-05-11 07:26 AM   #34 
     - Could you clarify your question?  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:29 PM   #44 
     - If you mean "how many" thugs purchasing from shows is OK...  SteveM   Dec-05-11 02:44 PM   #45 
 

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