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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 05:48 PM
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60. The vendor had nothing to do with it, and followed the law precisely.
The STATE failed to report Cho's disqualification to NICS, thus allowing him to purchase a firearm.

So, no, you didn't learn a damn thing from Virginia Tech.
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  -Guns on campus is a maniacal idea (NH) jpak  Dec-04-11 09:54 AM   #0 
  - Guns and booze have ALWAYS made a great combination.  HopeHoops   Dec-04-11 10:00 AM   #1 
  - That's my Loonislature!  Warren Stupidity   Dec-04-11 10:27 AM   #2 
  - Somebody might  Old Codger   Dec-04-11 11:04 AM   #3 
  - Soooooo... all you nay-sayers can cite to evidence that this has been detrimental....  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 11:08 AM   #4 
  - Do you have any evidence it has been beneficial to anyone but those who like to carry guns?  Hoyt   Dec-04-11 12:17 PM   #12 
     - I don't really need to.... as, if it does not harm, it's a moot issue.  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 12:28 PM   #16 
     - I asked that question nearly a year ago, and have yet to get *any* examples:  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-04-11 03:55 PM   #23 
     - That is not how all the students feel  Starboard Tack   Dec-04-11 06:43 PM   #28 
     - One problem  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 08:05 PM   #34 
     - Which of those named had concealed carry permits?  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-05-11 01:11 PM   #49 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-04-11 08:06 PM   #35 
     - Can you prove that the life you lived has been beneficial to anyone  oneshooter   Dec-04-11 06:46 PM   #29 
     - Had 734 positives when I searched under, "Is Hoyt XXXXX worth a shit?"  Hoyt   Dec-04-11 08:12 PM   #37 
     - As long as it isn't harmful, who cares? n/t  Atypical Liberal   Dec-05-11 01:17 PM   #51 
     - You have any evidence it has to be?  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 02:10 PM   #52 
  - I see no reason why a properly trained permit holder shouldn't be able to carry on campus  petronius   Dec-04-11 11:12 AM   #5 
  - The antis can not even state what "properly trained " is to them. n/t  oneshooter   Dec-04-11 06:48 PM   #30 
  - Please explain this statement...  beevul   Dec-04-11 11:12 AM   #6 
  - By not making it required. Everyone - criminal or not deserves to pack heat - Live Free or...  jpak   Dec-04-11 12:08 PM   #11 
     - To which background check does that statement refer? N/T  beevul   Dec-04-11 12:42 PM   #17 
        - To carry a GOP/NRA/ALEC/Koch Bros. concealed gun in NH  jpak   Dec-04-11 12:48 PM   #19 
           - I've never seen that brand  rl6214   Dec-05-11 01:40 AM   #40 
  - Guns on Campus are a good thing  nightwhisper   Dec-04-11 11:37 AM   #7 
  - thanks - I couldn't have explained better why this is lunacy.  Warren Stupidity   Dec-04-11 11:55 AM   #8 
  - thanks - You couldn't have fallen more flat-faced for a one-time poster. nt  SteveM   Dec-04-11 12:07 PM   #10 
  - Gun Hero!!!!111 We who are about to die salute you!  jpak   Dec-04-11 12:06 PM   #9 
  - Gun hero? Please define or is this just another one of your buzz words.  rl6214   Dec-05-11 01:41 AM   #41 
  - So how did you know this person was a "druink driver" before you started blazing away heroically  jpak   Dec-04-11 12:17 PM   #13 
  - And that is a perfect example of why guns in public are crazy.  Hoyt   Dec-04-11 12:20 PM   #14 
  - Welcome to DU. n/t  oneshooter   Dec-04-11 12:21 PM   #15 
  - You found a kindred spirit.  Starboard Tack   Dec-04-11 06:50 PM   #32 
  - Are you serious? You shot a guy driving a car?  Starboard Tack   Dec-04-11 06:48 PM   #31 
  - And then you lifted the car up over your head with your bare hands and tossed it away!  chrisa   Dec-05-11 09:45 AM   #47 
  - Did we learn nothing from the Virginia Tech tragedy?  Kurmudgeon   Dec-04-11 12:46 PM   #18 
  - Yes, we learned that criminals and the insane ignore gun bans - no matter how well intentioned  DonP   Dec-04-11 01:02 PM   #20 
  - ^ This.  Union Scribe   Dec-04-11 05:50 PM   #25 
  - VT was a gun free zone  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 05:55 PM   #26 
  - YUP  rl6214   Dec-05-11 01:43 AM   #42 
  - No, apparently you didn't.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:29 AM   #44 
     - I learned an excesss of guns, sold by the uncaring vender of them caused the tragedy.  Kurmudgeon   Dec-05-11 05:38 PM   #56 
        - Nothing to spin  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 05:43 PM   #57 
        - It's like blaming child porn and identity theft on the easy availability of computers.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-05-11 05:50 PM   #61 
        - in order to have this fuel,  gejohnston   Dec-05-11 05:44 PM   #58 
        - Did Cho's guns tell him "Go shoot up VT"? Guns are inanimate objects, not the Ring of Sauron.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-05-11 05:46 PM   #59 
        - The vendor had nothing to do with it, and followed the law precisely.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 05:48 PM   #60 
  - The college administrators seem to not know their student demographics.  ManiacJoe   Dec-04-11 01:23 PM   #21 
  - Here's the bigger problem....  PavePusher   Dec-04-11 02:04 PM   #22 
  - An American university...  Francis Marion   Dec-04-11 04:46 PM   #24 
  - You're right - it's a place of learning  Starboard Tack   Dec-04-11 06:56 PM   #33 
     - don't know much about the UCMJ do you?  gejohnston   Dec-04-11 08:10 PM   #36 
     - I know Miranda is not in the BOR  Starboard Tack   Dec-05-11 01:06 AM   #39 
        - I have not heard anyone suggest arming students and teachers - rather, people advocate  petronius   Dec-05-11 03:02 AM   #43 
        - Actually, Miranda is explaining the 5th, so yeah  gejohnston   Dec-05-11 09:12 AM   #46 
     - 21+ year olds aren't 'kids'.  AtheistCrusader   Dec-05-11 08:30 AM   #45 
     - Anyone under 50 is a kid to me.  Starboard Tack   Dec-05-11 03:55 PM   #53 
        - I understand what you're saying...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-05-11 04:29 PM   #55 
           - And carrying a gun around on the off chance one might need it for SD makes no sense to me  Starboard Tack   Dec-05-11 07:46 PM   #63 
              - Then don't do it. However, what makes sense for you to do in your own personal  petronius   Dec-05-11 09:58 PM   #64 
              - I think you're wrong. People go to college for a specific purpose - to study  Starboard Tack   Dec-06-11 09:45 PM   #68 
                 - drinking in class?  gejohnston   Dec-06-11 09:53 PM   #70 
                 - I meant alcohol, but I think you knew that.  Starboard Tack   Dec-06-11 10:40 PM   #73 
                    - Actually  gejohnston   Dec-06-11 10:55 PM   #74 
                       - You know, I might be OK with that. Depends on screening process.  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 12:03 AM   #78 
                       - campus police are often  gejohnston   Dec-07-11 12:12 AM   #81 
                          - It's not arbitrary power. It's bestowed power having been earned and  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 03:39 AM   #83 
                             - Ummm.... you have very... odd... ideas.... about Civil Rights. n/t  PavePusher   Dec-07-11 11:51 AM   #85 
                             - Really? What is odd about them?  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 04:20 PM   #91 
                                - I am not able to think of a single...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-07-11 04:29 PM   #92 
                                   - Really? Why does that not surprise me?  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 07:13 PM   #97 
                                      - That's the problem.  PavePusher   Dec-07-11 09:34 PM   #109 
                                      - Indeed  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 09:51 PM   #112 
                                      - Those are not everyday situations  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-08-11 08:29 AM   #116 
                                      - They are every day to many people. Maybe not to you. You apparently live in a bubble.  Starboard Tack   Dec-09-11 02:04 PM   #134 
                                      - I am still quite capable...  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-09-11 04:06 PM   #138 
                                      - We all feel more secure knowing that you "still carry other forms of arms" on airplanes.  Starboard Tack   Dec-09-11 07:14 PM   #142 
                                      - I have weapons on aircraft too. You probably do as well.  PavePusher   Dec-10-11 04:39 PM   #152 
                                      - What insinuations?  Starboard Tack   Dec-10-11 09:02 PM   #157 
                             - see definition one  gejohnston   Dec-07-11 04:30 PM   #93 
                                - I thought we were talking about the power of college administrators.  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 06:04 PM   #95 
                       - 1887-1995? Damn, I thought *I* took a long time to graduate.  Common Sense Party   Dec-07-11 05:57 PM   #94 
                 - Rules pertaining to the specific purpose of the university are fine, although I think  petronius   Dec-06-11 10:27 PM   #72 
                 - I understand your position. It's not complicated.  Starboard Tack   Dec-06-11 11:13 PM   #75 
                    - As a church/state separation near absolutist,  gejohnston   Dec-06-11 11:19 PM   #76 
                    - Agreed  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 12:05 AM   #79 
                    - The whole world is full of "all kinds of folk in all kinds of moods" and students live in the world  petronius   Dec-06-11 11:48 PM   #77 
                    - This isn't about right or wrong, we have different opinions  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 12:10 AM   #80 
                       - "A school is not a democracy" said the fellow who, a mere five posts ago,  petronius   Dec-07-11 12:34 AM   #82 
                    - College is nowhere near the only stressful or even most stressful point in most people's life.  PavePusher   Dec-07-11 11:55 AM   #86 
                    - Maybe you didn't undergo the pressure that students endure today.  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 07:28 PM   #98 
                       - Pressure? I've been in the military over 20 years. I know what pressure is.  PavePusher   Dec-07-11 09:33 PM   #108 
                          - You've been in the military for over 20 years? You haven't had enough of guns yet?  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 10:05 PM   #114 
                             - If you think we carry guns at work, it demonstrates your ignorance of the military.  PavePusher   Dec-08-11 08:03 AM   #115 
                                - I was referring to friends and family who did tours of combat, but you knew that.  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 01:59 PM   #120 
                    - Private vs public  beevul   Dec-07-11 08:05 PM   #102 
                 - Exactly what rights do they forfeit?  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-07-11 12:24 PM   #87 
                    - By abiding to campus rules.  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 07:34 PM   #99 
                       - " 1A rights are usually restricted to public areas." Sadly, you are not alone in that attitude:  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-07-11 07:59 PM   #100 
                       - Ideas are fine in the classroom. Guns have no place.  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 08:19 PM   #103 
                          - What problems have legally carried guns caused to that group known as...  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-07-11 08:25 PM   #105 
                          - You can use that reason to excuse all individual injustice.  PavePusher   Dec-07-11 09:39 PM   #110 
                          - You have an odd perspective for someone in the military  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 01:37 PM   #117 
                             - Your feelings aside, what harm does it cause? There are several dozen campuses where it is legal.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-08-11 03:17 PM   #123 
                             - How do you define harm?  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 04:23 PM   #126 
                             - Define it yourself. Call it "moral harm", if you wish. But be specific.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-08-11 10:43 PM   #132 
                             - I suggest you read this if you want some perspective on the subject.  Starboard Tack   Dec-09-11 02:20 PM   #136 
                                - I think he was  gejohnston   Dec-09-11 02:54 PM   #137 
                                - "Students should not be wandering alone at night."  PavePusher   Dec-09-11 06:30 PM   #140 
                                - Anyone carrying a gun is potentially contributing to the problem  Starboard Tack   Dec-10-11 08:52 PM   #155 
                                   - Anyone carrying a penis is potentially contributing to the problem  oneshooter   Dec-10-11 09:05 PM   #159 
                                   - how many of those stolen guns  gejohnston   Dec-10-11 09:05 PM   #160 
                                   - I have always advocated disarming the police.  Starboard Tack   Dec-10-11 09:23 PM   #161 
                                - It elided the fact that the student fired back after being shot first by an attempted robber...  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-09-11 09:26 PM   #144 
                                   - Not relevant. I'm very familiar with this incident.  Starboard Tack   Dec-10-11 08:59 PM   #156 
                                      - You're not the first to blame the victim and defer to the better nature of predators.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-13-11 09:00 PM   #162 
                             - Why on earth do you think I value them so greatly, and not want to see them restricted....  PavePusher   Dec-09-11 06:28 PM   #139 
                                - We all value our rights. Few people want them restricted.  Starboard Tack   Dec-09-11 08:46 PM   #143 
                                   - It seems I'm not the one wishing here. If you value Rights so poorly, we're done here. n/t  PavePusher   Dec-09-11 11:17 PM   #146 
                                      - Valuing something does not necessitate abusing it or being obsessed with it.  Starboard Tack   Dec-10-11 03:33 PM   #150 
                                         - You may stop the insinuations, accusations and stereotyping at any time. n/t  PavePusher   Dec-10-11 04:37 PM   #151 
                                         - Please explain what you mean.  Starboard Tack   Dec-10-11 09:04 PM   #158 
                          - But dangerous 'things' are mandatory in the classroom.  Francis Marion   Jan-07-12 11:27 AM   #163 
                       - What happened to academic freedom?  gejohnston   Dec-07-11 07:59 PM   #101 
                          - What does academic freedom have to do with it?  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 08:22 PM   #104 
                             - You said students lose their 1A  gejohnston   Dec-07-11 09:11 PM   #107 
                                - Don't be absurd. I never said anyone loses their rights.  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 01:44 PM   #118 
                                   - In the classroom,  gejohnston   Dec-08-11 02:31 PM   #121 
                                      - Wrong on all counts.  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 04:26 PM   #127 
                                         - sure about that?  gejohnston   Dec-08-11 11:13 PM   #133 
              - Fine. That's your choice. Nobody is telling you to carry one.  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-06-11 08:42 AM   #67 
                 - I'm not telling you not to carry. I'm asking you to reconsider.  Starboard Tack   Dec-06-11 09:46 PM   #69 
                    - I have reconsidered  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-07-11 09:44 AM   #84 
                       - And contributing to the problem is yet another thing.  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 04:17 PM   #89 
                          - I agree - it certainly is.  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-07-11 04:19 PM   #90 
                             - Supporting tha ongoing proliferation of handguns contributes to the problem  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 06:08 PM   #96 
                                - What "problem"? The violent crime rate is *down*, even as the number of guns increase.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-07-11 08:28 PM   #106 
                                   - What problem? Lemme think. Hmm....  Starboard Tack   Dec-07-11 09:50 PM   #111 
                                      - different populations  gejohnston   Dec-07-11 10:05 PM   #113 
                                      - "gangsters killing other gangsters fighting over who gets to fill someone's bong bowl"  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 01:49 PM   #119 
                                         - pot heads, coke heads of all ages  gejohnston   Dec-08-11 02:34 PM   #122 
                                            - I give up. You obviously live in a capsule.  Starboard Tack   Dec-08-11 04:33 PM   #128 
                                               - suicides are different  gejohnston   Dec-08-11 10:33 PM   #129 
                                               - For the sake of your argument, you should *hope* that suicides don't count.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-08-11 10:35 PM   #130 
                                               - Elegant linguistic trickery, nothing more.  beevul   Dec-10-11 05:08 PM   #153 
                                      - The rate of those is declining as well, so while still a problem, it's a diminished one.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-08-11 10:39 PM   #131 
                                         - "so while still a problem" - Eureka!  Starboard Tack   Dec-09-11 02:08 PM   #135 
                                            - Yes. Better education, more gun safety classes, and an end to the pointless War on (some) Drugs.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-09-11 09:31 PM   #145 
     - We do a lot of learning in the military, frequently while heavily armed.  PavePusher   Dec-05-11 12:43 PM   #48 
     - I'm not knocking the military. On the contrary.  Starboard Tack   Dec-05-11 03:59 PM   #54 
     - LOL.  beevul   Dec-05-11 06:10 PM   #62 
     - I forget where I first heard that  oneshooter   Dec-07-11 12:31 PM   #88 
     - It's a place of learning alright:  Francis Marion   Dec-10-11 01:17 PM   #147 
     - When and where...  Francis Marion   Dec-10-11 01:40 PM   #148 
     - some argue that slavery still exists  gejohnston   Dec-10-11 02:54 PM   #149 
     - P.S. You are dead wrong, the BoR applies to us....  PavePusher   Dec-10-11 08:32 PM   #154 
  - are they really not safer? You think the criminals noticed the laws or lack of?  ileus   Dec-04-11 06:08 PM   #27 
  - Blood in the streets, etc.  krispos42   Dec-05-11 12:56 AM   #38 
  - If you are 21, you are legal, college or no college.  Atypical Liberal   Dec-05-11 01:17 PM   #50 
  - a logical next question  gejohnston   Dec-05-11 11:50 PM   #66 
  - I have asked pro-restrictionists to rebut **ONE** of the  Simo 1939_1940   Dec-05-11 11:38 PM   #65 
  - private gun safes that can be secured to walls -- stupid  Kolesar   Dec-08-11 03:22 PM   #124 
     - Who said anything about "have to"?  PavePusher   Dec-09-11 06:32 PM   #141 
  - The President of UNH cited frat house behavior as a reason to not allow CCW, but the frats are not..  aikoaiko   Dec-06-11 10:15 PM   #71 
  - How can there be any guns on campuses?  guardian   Dec-08-11 03:27 PM   #125 

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