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Mon Dec-05-11 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 53. Anyone under 50 is a kid to me. |
| -Guns on campus is a maniacal idea (NH) |
jpak |
Dec-04-11 09:54 AM |
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Guns and booze have ALWAYS made a great combination. |
HopeHoops |
Dec-04-11 10:00 AM |
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That's my Loonislature! |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-11 10:27 AM |
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Somebody might |
Old Codger |
Dec-04-11 11:04 AM |
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Soooooo... all you nay-sayers can cite to evidence that this has been detrimental.... |
PavePusher |
Dec-04-11 11:08 AM |
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Do you have any evidence it has been beneficial to anyone but those who like to carry guns? |
Hoyt |
Dec-04-11 12:17 PM |
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I don't really need to.... as, if it does not harm, it's a moot issue. |
PavePusher |
Dec-04-11 12:28 PM |
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I asked that question nearly a year ago, and have yet to get *any* examples: |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-04-11 03:55 PM |
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That is not how all the students feel |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-04-11 06:43 PM |
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One problem |
gejohnston |
Dec-04-11 08:05 PM |
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Which of those named had concealed carry permits? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-05-11 01:11 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-04-11 08:06 PM |
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Can you prove that the life you lived has been beneficial to anyone |
oneshooter |
Dec-04-11 06:46 PM |
#29 |
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Had 734 positives when I searched under, "Is Hoyt XXXXX worth a shit?" |
Hoyt |
Dec-04-11 08:12 PM |
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As long as it isn't harmful, who cares? n/t |
Atypical Liberal |
Dec-05-11 01:17 PM |
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You have any evidence it has to be? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-05-11 02:10 PM |
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I see no reason why a properly trained permit holder shouldn't be able to carry on campus |
petronius |
Dec-04-11 11:12 AM |
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The antis can not even state what "properly trained " is to them. n/t |
oneshooter |
Dec-04-11 06:48 PM |
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Please explain this statement... |
beevul |
Dec-04-11 11:12 AM |
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By not making it required. Everyone - criminal or not deserves to pack heat - Live Free or... |
jpak |
Dec-04-11 12:08 PM |
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To which background check does that statement refer? N/T |
beevul |
Dec-04-11 12:42 PM |
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To carry a GOP/NRA/ALEC/Koch Bros. concealed gun in NH |
jpak |
Dec-04-11 12:48 PM |
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I've never seen that brand |
rl6214 |
Dec-05-11 01:40 AM |
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Guns on Campus are a good thing |
nightwhisper |
Dec-04-11 11:37 AM |
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thanks - I couldn't have explained better why this is lunacy. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-11 11:55 AM |
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thanks - You couldn't have fallen more flat-faced for a one-time poster. nt |
SteveM |
Dec-04-11 12:07 PM |
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Gun Hero!!!!111 We who are about to die salute you! |
jpak |
Dec-04-11 12:06 PM |
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Gun hero? Please define or is this just another one of your buzz words. |
rl6214 |
Dec-05-11 01:41 AM |
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So how did you know this person was a "druink driver" before you started blazing away heroically |
jpak |
Dec-04-11 12:17 PM |
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And that is a perfect example of why guns in public are crazy. |
Hoyt |
Dec-04-11 12:20 PM |
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Welcome to DU. n/t |
oneshooter |
Dec-04-11 12:21 PM |
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You found a kindred spirit. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-04-11 06:50 PM |
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Are you serious? You shot a guy driving a car? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-04-11 06:48 PM |
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And then you lifted the car up over your head with your bare hands and tossed it away! |
chrisa |
Dec-05-11 09:45 AM |
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Did we learn nothing from the Virginia Tech tragedy? |
Kurmudgeon |
Dec-04-11 12:46 PM |
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Yes, we learned that criminals and the insane ignore gun bans - no matter how well intentioned |
DonP |
Dec-04-11 01:02 PM |
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^ This. |
Union Scribe |
Dec-04-11 05:50 PM |
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VT was a gun free zone |
gejohnston |
Dec-04-11 05:55 PM |
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YUP |
rl6214 |
Dec-05-11 01:43 AM |
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No, apparently you didn't. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-05-11 08:29 AM |
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I learned an excesss of guns, sold by the uncaring vender of them caused the tragedy. |
Kurmudgeon |
Dec-05-11 05:38 PM |
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Nothing to spin |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-05-11 05:43 PM |
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It's like blaming child porn and identity theft on the easy availability of computers. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-05-11 05:50 PM |
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in order to have this fuel, |
gejohnston |
Dec-05-11 05:44 PM |
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Did Cho's guns tell him "Go shoot up VT"? Guns are inanimate objects, not the Ring of Sauron. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-05-11 05:46 PM |
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The vendor had nothing to do with it, and followed the law precisely. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-05-11 05:48 PM |
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The college administrators seem to not know their student demographics. |
ManiacJoe |
Dec-04-11 01:23 PM |
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Here's the bigger problem.... |
PavePusher |
Dec-04-11 02:04 PM |
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An American university... |
Francis Marion |
Dec-04-11 04:46 PM |
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You're right - it's a place of learning |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-04-11 06:56 PM |
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don't know much about the UCMJ do you? |
gejohnston |
Dec-04-11 08:10 PM |
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I know Miranda is not in the BOR |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-05-11 01:06 AM |
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I have not heard anyone suggest arming students and teachers - rather, people advocate |
petronius |
Dec-05-11 03:02 AM |
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Actually, Miranda is explaining the 5th, so yeah |
gejohnston |
Dec-05-11 09:12 AM |
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21+ year olds aren't 'kids'. |
AtheistCrusader |
Dec-05-11 08:30 AM |
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Anyone under 50 is a kid to me. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-05-11 03:55 PM |
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I understand what you're saying... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-05-11 04:29 PM |
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And carrying a gun around on the off chance one might need it for SD makes no sense to me |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-05-11 07:46 PM |
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Then don't do it. However, what makes sense for you to do in your own personal |
petronius |
Dec-05-11 09:58 PM |
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I think you're wrong. People go to college for a specific purpose - to study |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-06-11 09:45 PM |
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drinking in class? |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 09:53 PM |
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I meant alcohol, but I think you knew that. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-06-11 10:40 PM |
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Actually |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 10:55 PM |
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You know, I might be OK with that. Depends on screening process. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 12:03 AM |
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campus police are often |
gejohnston |
Dec-07-11 12:12 AM |
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It's not arbitrary power. It's bestowed power having been earned and |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 03:39 AM |
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Ummm.... you have very... odd... ideas.... about Civil Rights. n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 11:51 AM |
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Really? What is odd about them? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 04:20 PM |
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I am not able to think of a single... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 04:29 PM |
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Really? Why does that not surprise me? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 07:13 PM |
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That's the problem. |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 09:34 PM |
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Indeed |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 09:51 PM |
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Those are not everyday situations |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-08-11 08:29 AM |
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They are every day to many people. Maybe not to you. You apparently live in a bubble. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-09-11 02:04 PM |
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I am still quite capable... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-09-11 04:06 PM |
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We all feel more secure knowing that you "still carry other forms of arms" on airplanes. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-09-11 07:14 PM |
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I have weapons on aircraft too. You probably do as well. |
PavePusher |
Dec-10-11 04:39 PM |
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What insinuations? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-10-11 09:02 PM |
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see definition one |
gejohnston |
Dec-07-11 04:30 PM |
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I thought we were talking about the power of college administrators. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 06:04 PM |
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1887-1995? Damn, I thought *I* took a long time to graduate. |
Common Sense Party |
Dec-07-11 05:57 PM |
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Rules pertaining to the specific purpose of the university are fine, although I think |
petronius |
Dec-06-11 10:27 PM |
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I understand your position. It's not complicated. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-06-11 11:13 PM |
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As a church/state separation near absolutist, |
gejohnston |
Dec-06-11 11:19 PM |
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Agreed |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 12:05 AM |
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The whole world is full of "all kinds of folk in all kinds of moods" and students live in the world |
petronius |
Dec-06-11 11:48 PM |
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This isn't about right or wrong, we have different opinions |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 12:10 AM |
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"A school is not a democracy" said the fellow who, a mere five posts ago, |
petronius |
Dec-07-11 12:34 AM |
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College is nowhere near the only stressful or even most stressful point in most people's life. |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 11:55 AM |
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Maybe you didn't undergo the pressure that students endure today. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 07:28 PM |
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Pressure? I've been in the military over 20 years. I know what pressure is. |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 09:33 PM |
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You've been in the military for over 20 years? You haven't had enough of guns yet? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 10:05 PM |
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If you think we carry guns at work, it demonstrates your ignorance of the military. |
PavePusher |
Dec-08-11 08:03 AM |
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I was referring to friends and family who did tours of combat, but you knew that. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 01:59 PM |
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Private vs public |
beevul |
Dec-07-11 08:05 PM |
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Exactly what rights do they forfeit? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 12:24 PM |
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By abiding to campus rules. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 07:34 PM |
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" 1A rights are usually restricted to public areas." Sadly, you are not alone in that attitude: |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-07-11 07:59 PM |
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Ideas are fine in the classroom. Guns have no place. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 08:19 PM |
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What problems have legally carried guns caused to that group known as... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-07-11 08:25 PM |
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You can use that reason to excuse all individual injustice. |
PavePusher |
Dec-07-11 09:39 PM |
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You have an odd perspective for someone in the military |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 01:37 PM |
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Your feelings aside, what harm does it cause? There are several dozen campuses where it is legal. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-08-11 03:17 PM |
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How do you define harm? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 04:23 PM |
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Define it yourself. Call it "moral harm", if you wish. But be specific. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-08-11 10:43 PM |
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I suggest you read this if you want some perspective on the subject. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-09-11 02:20 PM |
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I think he was |
gejohnston |
Dec-09-11 02:54 PM |
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"Students should not be wandering alone at night." |
PavePusher |
Dec-09-11 06:30 PM |
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Anyone carrying a gun is potentially contributing to the problem |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-10-11 08:52 PM |
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Anyone carrying a penis is potentially contributing to the problem |
oneshooter |
Dec-10-11 09:05 PM |
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how many of those stolen guns |
gejohnston |
Dec-10-11 09:05 PM |
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I have always advocated disarming the police. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-10-11 09:23 PM |
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It elided the fact that the student fired back after being shot first by an attempted robber... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-09-11 09:26 PM |
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Not relevant. I'm very familiar with this incident. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-10-11 08:59 PM |
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You're not the first to blame the victim and defer to the better nature of predators. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-13-11 09:00 PM |
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Why on earth do you think I value them so greatly, and not want to see them restricted.... |
PavePusher |
Dec-09-11 06:28 PM |
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We all value our rights. Few people want them restricted. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-09-11 08:46 PM |
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It seems I'm not the one wishing here. If you value Rights so poorly, we're done here. n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-09-11 11:17 PM |
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Valuing something does not necessitate abusing it or being obsessed with it. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-10-11 03:33 PM |
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You may stop the insinuations, accusations and stereotyping at any time. n/t |
PavePusher |
Dec-10-11 04:37 PM |
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Please explain what you mean. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-10-11 09:04 PM |
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But dangerous 'things' are mandatory in the classroom. |
Francis Marion |
Jan-07-12 11:27 AM |
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What happened to academic freedom? |
gejohnston |
Dec-07-11 07:59 PM |
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What does academic freedom have to do with it? |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 08:22 PM |
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You said students lose their 1A |
gejohnston |
Dec-07-11 09:11 PM |
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Don't be absurd. I never said anyone loses their rights. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 01:44 PM |
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In the classroom, |
gejohnston |
Dec-08-11 02:31 PM |
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Wrong on all counts. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 04:26 PM |
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sure about that? |
gejohnston |
Dec-08-11 11:13 PM |
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Fine. That's your choice. Nobody is telling you to carry one. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-06-11 08:42 AM |
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I'm not telling you not to carry. I'm asking you to reconsider. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-06-11 09:46 PM |
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I have reconsidered |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 09:44 AM |
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And contributing to the problem is yet another thing. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 04:17 PM |
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I agree - it certainly is. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-07-11 04:19 PM |
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Supporting tha ongoing proliferation of handguns contributes to the problem |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 06:08 PM |
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What "problem"? The violent crime rate is *down*, even as the number of guns increase. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-07-11 08:28 PM |
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What problem? Lemme think. Hmm.... |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-07-11 09:50 PM |
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different populations |
gejohnston |
Dec-07-11 10:05 PM |
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"gangsters killing other gangsters fighting over who gets to fill someone's bong bowl" |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 01:49 PM |
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pot heads, coke heads of all ages |
gejohnston |
Dec-08-11 02:34 PM |
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I give up. You obviously live in a capsule. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-08-11 04:33 PM |
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suicides are different |
gejohnston |
Dec-08-11 10:33 PM |
#129 |
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For the sake of your argument, you should *hope* that suicides don't count. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-08-11 10:35 PM |
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Elegant linguistic trickery, nothing more. |
beevul |
Dec-10-11 05:08 PM |
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The rate of those is declining as well, so while still a problem, it's a diminished one. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-08-11 10:39 PM |
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"so while still a problem" - Eureka! |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-09-11 02:08 PM |
#135 |
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Yes. Better education, more gun safety classes, and an end to the pointless War on (some) Drugs. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-09-11 09:31 PM |
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We do a lot of learning in the military, frequently while heavily armed. |
PavePusher |
Dec-05-11 12:43 PM |
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I'm not knocking the military. On the contrary. |
Starboard Tack |
Dec-05-11 03:59 PM |
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LOL. |
beevul |
Dec-05-11 06:10 PM |
#62 |
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I forget where I first heard that |
oneshooter |
Dec-07-11 12:31 PM |
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It's a place of learning alright: |
Francis Marion |
Dec-10-11 01:17 PM |
#147 |
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When and where... |
Francis Marion |
Dec-10-11 01:40 PM |
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some argue that slavery still exists |
gejohnston |
Dec-10-11 02:54 PM |
#149 |
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P.S. You are dead wrong, the BoR applies to us.... |
PavePusher |
Dec-10-11 08:32 PM |
#154 |
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are they really not safer? You think the criminals noticed the laws or lack of? |
ileus |
Dec-04-11 06:08 PM |
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Blood in the streets, etc. |
krispos42 |
Dec-05-11 12:56 AM |
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If you are 21, you are legal, college or no college. |
Atypical Liberal |
Dec-05-11 01:17 PM |
#50 |
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a logical next question |
gejohnston |
Dec-05-11 11:50 PM |
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I have asked pro-restrictionists to rebut **ONE** of the |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Dec-05-11 11:38 PM |
#65 |
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private gun safes that can be secured to walls -- stupid |
Kolesar |
Dec-08-11 03:22 PM |
#124 |
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Who said anything about "have to"? |
PavePusher |
Dec-09-11 06:32 PM |
#141 |
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The President of UNH cited frat house behavior as a reason to not allow CCW, but the frats are not.. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-06-11 10:15 PM |
#71 |
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How can there be any guns on campuses? |
guardian |
Dec-08-11 03:27 PM |
#125 |
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