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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:09 PM
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29. never mind the indictments
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 11:11 PM by gejohnston
let's see some fucking convictions. Indictments don't mean shit. All an indictment is that the DA or US attorney convinces the grand jury that there might be enough evidence for a trial. There is no cross examinations, so the grand jury only has his or her word for it. Without cross examination, the witnesses could be making shit up for the money or less time in jail.
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  -NPR: Justice Dept. Details How It Got Statements Wrong (Fast & Furious) friendly_iconoclast  Dec-02-11 10:33 PM   #0 
  - what does all of this mean?  sethgrogen   Dec-02-11 11:50 PM   #1 
  - It means lots of gun owners despise ATF and anyone who might turn off their pipeline to more guns.  Hoyt   Dec-03-11 09:23 AM   #4 
  - you agree with us that  gejohnston   Dec-03-11 11:15 AM   #5 
  - You keep saying things as if they're true hoyt.  beevul   Dec-03-11 01:24 PM   #6 
  - You finally got it, gun dealers are afraid of ATF -- otherwise guns would be flying out back door.  Hoyt   Dec-03-11 02:44 PM   #12 
     - Excuse me?  beevul   Dec-03-11 06:38 PM   #15 
        - Don't bother. Believing is seeing for some- the sort that claim the Iraq invasion was a succe  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-03-11 08:41 PM   #23 
  - Are you willing to let your blind hatred of civilian  burf   Dec-03-11 02:03 PM   #7 
  - The "slippery slope" is toward arming more and more people in public, sir.  Hoyt   Dec-03-11 02:11 PM   #9 
     - As long as gun ownership is legal,  burf   Dec-03-11 02:24 PM   #10 
     - Lots of things are legal, but wrong -- banks stealing, bigots waving confederate flags, etc.  Hoyt   Dec-03-11 02:37 PM   #11 
        - Who is the controlling legal authority on excess?  burf   Dec-03-11 03:00 PM   #13 
     - "The ATF tried a sting ..."  beevul   Dec-03-11 06:49 PM   #17 
     - "Iraq had weapons of mass destruction". "The North Vietnamese attacked us in the Gulf of Tonkin"  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-03-11 08:46 PM   #24 
     - Finally the truth at the heart of the matter.  Oneka   Dec-06-11 08:15 AM   #32 
  - 20? You've been claiming (without evidence) 30 or more for months now  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-03-11 04:59 PM   #14 
     - Glad to see you finally realizing that F&F worked and there will be more indictments.  Hoyt   Dec-03-11 06:48 PM   #16 
        - F&F worked how again?  Oneka   Dec-03-11 07:29 PM   #18 
        - That works out to about 10 deaths for every purported indictment caused by F&F  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-03-11 08:36 PM   #21 
        - How do we know?  burf   Dec-03-11 08:37 PM   #22 
        - F&F in no way "worked". And what happened to the other 10 you repeatedly claimed?  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-03-11 08:30 PM   #20 
        - never mind the indictments  gejohnston   Dec-03-11 11:09 PM   #29 
           - Like the case against Carter's Country, which fell apart like a '82 Yugo.  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-04-11 04:22 PM   #31 
  - Short answer before the lawyers got ahold of it  DissedByBush   Dec-03-11 08:05 PM   #19 
  - people died, the justice department lied.  ileus   Dec-03-11 07:08 AM   #2 
  - How they got it wrong?  burf   Dec-03-11 07:41 AM   #3 
  - And when you get down to motives for these operations, how 'bout this:  SteveM   Dec-03-11 02:05 PM   #8 
  - It is said that...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Dec-03-11 09:28 PM   #25 
  - We have seen Holder's character on other areas  gejohnston   Dec-03-11 11:06 PM   #28 
     - I was just thinking...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Dec-03-11 11:51 PM   #30 
  - let the flames begin  Tuesday Afternoon   Dec-03-11 09:40 PM   #26 
     - Holder is scheduled to appear  burf   Dec-03-11 10:41 PM   #27 
 

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