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Most of training courses I've seen that are popular are the ones that are kind of short on safety, and long on things like "dodge and shoot" (as one "gunner" put it months ago).
Here is a common course description:
"Upon completion of this course you will have a fundamental understanding of the defensive use of the handgun. Among the many skills you acquire will be the ability to safely and easily draw your weapon from the holster and fire two, sighted shots to the center of a target 5 yards away – all under 1.5 seconds! This course more than satisfies gun handling and marksmanship criteria for a Concealed Weapons Permit.
Lecture Topics Include: Use of Deadly Force and the Law; Color Code of Mental Awareness; Stopping Power; Civil Liability; and more. Firing Range Drills Include: Loading and Unloading; Grip, Stance, Sight Picture, Sight Alignment, and Trigger Control; Presentation from Ready and Holster; Target Engagement from Arms Length to 15 yards under Time Pressure; Malfunction Clearing; Speed and Tactical Reloading; Live-Fire Tactical Simulator Introduction; and more."
Doesn't sound "safety oriented" to me. I bet there are even some that have "tactical" in the marketing materials designed to attract those gunners who also covet tactical weapons.
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RSillsbee |
Nov-27-11 08:24 PM |
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It's a terrifying prospect. |
krispos42 |
Nov-27-11 08:54 PM |
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Great post. |
Hangingon |
Nov-27-11 09:00 PM |
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"As is belittling Texas as a state of bumbling |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-27-11 10:41 PM |
#11 |
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I've never been there m'self. |
rrneck |
Nov-27-11 09:04 PM |
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I would say not to let them get to you, but sometimes things need to said. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-27-11 09:14 PM |
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This forum |
Old Codger |
Nov-27-11 09:24 PM |
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I only know of two here that post that on a regular basis |
rl6214 |
Nov-27-11 09:45 PM |
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Two Iraq war vets in my school have told me they felt profound guilt over the people they killed. |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-27-11 10:02 PM |
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Bravo |
tavalon |
Nov-27-11 10:06 PM |
#8 |
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only true sociopaths enjoy killing their own species. |
RSillsbee |
Nov-27-11 10:25 PM |
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Strange that you should mention that ... |
spin |
Nov-27-11 11:03 PM |
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I don't kill bugs in my house |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 08:15 AM |
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In Florida we have these enormous roaches known as Palmetto bugs ... |
spin |
Nov-28-11 11:06 AM |
#42 |
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I lived in New Port Richey for 5 years |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 07:13 PM |
#135 |
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My old Cracker Grandmother called those "debaters"... |
SteveM |
Nov-30-11 02:29 PM |
#238 |
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If at all possible I will pick them up and take them outside |
rl6214 |
Nov-28-11 12:42 PM |
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Yeah, sometimes they'll turn on you and then you're in trouble. nt |
SteveM |
Nov-30-11 02:30 PM |
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Excellent point |
tavalon |
Nov-28-11 07:12 AM |
#19 |
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Well, there are varying degrees. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 10:24 AM |
#32 |
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They're no different than the people that demonize anything they don't understand. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-27-11 10:06 PM |
#9 |
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I burned through several boxes of 12 gauge shells shooting clay targets |
mistertrickster |
Nov-27-11 11:20 PM |
#13 |
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Protecting myself from that nightmare is a good reason for me to NOT own a gun. |
Speck Tater |
Nov-27-11 11:45 PM |
#14 |
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And if you haven't raped anyone, you should shut up about THAT too, right? |
saras |
Nov-28-11 12:14 AM |
#15 |
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Did you ever stop to think that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 08:17 AM |
#25 |
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What one hears and what one believes ar two different things. |
Remmah2 |
Nov-28-11 08:51 AM |
#26 |
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How is that even supposed to work as an analogy? |
Euromutt |
Nov-28-11 03:17 PM |
#105 |
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That is why I am always reminding people |
safeinOhio |
Nov-28-11 06:07 AM |
#16 |
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I think one of us misunderstands the term |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 10:14 AM |
#31 |
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I think it took people on both sides to discourage it. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 10:27 AM |
#33 |
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This is a forum where gun heroes are gleefully cheered and celebrated all the time |
jpak |
Nov-28-11 06:26 AM |
#17 |
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Yes, I do. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 10:28 AM |
#34 |
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There you go again with your new buzz phrase of the week |
rl6214 |
Nov-28-11 12:47 PM |
#77 |
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I have made my position on that crystal clear, numerous times. |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 07:29 PM |
#144 |
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What conclusion would you draw from posts applauding shooting unarmed car burglars leaving scene . . |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:09 AM |
#18 |
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There's a lot of mischaracterization there. |
krispos42 |
Nov-28-11 07:36 AM |
#21 |
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Tell me again |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 07:48 AM |
#22 |
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So, WTF does that have to do with people carrying guns in public in the USA? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 09:05 AM |
#27 |
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Please read the OP. if you can understand it then you will know. |
oneshooter |
Nov-28-11 09:13 AM |
#28 |
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Still has nothing to do with people getting permits to carry in the USA. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 09:40 AM |
#29 |
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Untrue on all fronts. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 10:37 AM |
#36 |
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I'd say that it is well established that Hoyt's hypocracy and double-speak.... |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 10:52 AM |
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You proved my point, you used your firearm to "de-escalate" confrontation with unarmed man. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:04 AM |
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Unarmed people do not have lethal potential? |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 11:09 AM |
#45 |
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No I didn't. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 11:15 AM |
#48 |
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OK, I applaud you for not pulling your gun on an unarmed man. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:54 AM |
#57 |
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He had arms. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 12:27 PM |
#67 |
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Reading comprehension, try it. |
rl6214 |
Nov-28-11 12:57 PM |
#81 |
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Guess what? You can just as easily de-escalate that minor confrontation when you don't have a gun. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:28 PM |
#107 |
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You still just don't get it, never will. |
rl6214 |
Nov-28-11 06:11 PM |
#133 |
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If you didn't see the SAFETY aspects in the course description, then you are illiterate.... |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 08:39 PM |
#165 |
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The firearm isn't for de-escalation. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 11:36 PM |
#183 |
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"Dodge and shoot"? |
Straw Man |
Nov-30-11 07:43 PM |
#241 |
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No cite, huh? |
Straw Man |
Dec-01-11 11:01 PM |
#246 |
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Of course not. Factual accuracy is only for heathens like us, not the faithful n/t |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-02-11 12:35 PM |
#251 |
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You can, of course, cite to some studies or data that support your wild assertion.... |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 10:51 AM |
#37 |
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This is an opinion forum -- all politics is. If you have something to rebut my opinion, show it. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:06 AM |
#41 |
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You stated a claim as fact, not an opinion. |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 11:07 AM |
#43 |
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No, I expressed my opinion, and it is my experience. You have a different opinion or |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:13 AM |
#47 |
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I will quote you for completeness: |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 08:41 PM |
#168 |
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"...with little disregard..."? |
emcguffie |
Nov-28-11 11:29 AM |
#52 |
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Yes I meant "with little regard." You got it on your first guess. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:49 AM |
#56 |
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WTF is a "toter"? Is that like a purse you carry? |
rl6214 |
Nov-28-11 12:51 PM |
#80 |
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I don't know where you guys carry, since I don't. I know some of you prefer groin holsters. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:25 PM |
#143 |
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I've never heard of a "groin holster", is that another one of your |
rl6214 |
Nov-29-11 04:50 PM |
#224 |
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How many "right wing toters" have you actually met? And spoken to |
Common Sense Party |
Nov-28-11 04:11 PM |
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Where I'm from, a bunch. Actually, martial arts is better than resorting to guns. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:31 PM |
#146 |
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almost a paradox |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:30 PM |
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I have known several like that. In fact, one stayed with me over TG. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 08:39 PM |
#166 |
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I am not a fucking ninja. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 11:37 PM |
#184 |
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You ain't a cowboy either . . . . . .well, maybe you are. |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 08:16 AM |
#189 |
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Not by trade. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 09:40 AM |
#201 |
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That's cool, at least your are "playing" cowboy in the right place. Now back to your playing LE or |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 10:34 AM |
#209 |
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I play 'public defender' all the time. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 10:52 AM |
#213 |
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Didn't answer the question. Is someone trained in martial arts more |
Common Sense Party |
Nov-29-11 12:17 AM |
#186 |
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Martial arts is better than a gun? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 10:21 AM |
#206 |
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This is what it has to do w/ carrying a gun in the USA |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 07:44 PM |
#151 |
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Like I said, you guys aren't who I'm concerned about. The other millions of fuckers probably aren't |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 08:18 PM |
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Can I jyust call you a dumb fuck and put you on ignore and leave it at that? |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 08:48 PM |
#172 |
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Please. You have always had that option. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 09:53 PM |
#179 |
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: |
Callisto32 |
Nov-28-11 07:52 AM |
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Why do you have such a hard on for people carrying firearms on a bicycle? |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 10:30 AM |
#35 |
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Used to ride a lot. A bicycle rider does not need a gun -- no matter how much they love them. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:08 AM |
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There is no reason to criticize it. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 11:17 AM |
#50 |
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Shooting a dog is wrong -- sorry to be contrary. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:40 AM |
#54 |
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Not based on the facts claimed by the article. Anything that tries to eat you is fair game. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 12:24 PM |
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Facts available lead me to conclude the bicyclist would have taken better options without a gun. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 02:32 PM |
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It does not matter that SOME people are obnoxiously boastful/etc. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 06:03 PM |
#132 |
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Oh come on -- fears of bogeyman got you carrying guns in public, now you are concerned about dogs. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:34 PM |
#147 |
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I know this keeps bouncing off your skull but |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 11:33 PM |
#182 |
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Oh no, not one of those who carries a gun to save others. Please, unless in LE, it's not your place. |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 08:14 AM |
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Law Enforcement... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 09:00 AM |
#198 |
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I think you misunderstand the nature of Law Enforcement. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 09:42 AM |
#202 |
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Whatever guys, it ain't your place to play Bat Man or Spider Man with your guns. Get real. |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 10:32 AM |
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Nobody is. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 10:38 AM |
#211 |
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And to clarify, an incident like Mark Allen Wilson opposing the Tyler Tx courthouse shooter |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 10:56 AM |
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According to the " Law of Hoyt" you are wrong. |
oneshooter |
Nov-29-11 06:19 PM |
#228 |
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Never claimed to. Just a figment of your imagination. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-29-11 10:54 AM |
#214 |
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Social responsibility.... |
PavePusher |
Nov-29-11 04:53 PM |
#225 |
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Hue and cry |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-29-11 02:01 PM |
#221 |
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History repeats |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 11:38 AM |
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Funny, I find that letter carriers use their bags, pepper spray or similar -- but not a gun. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:45 AM |
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You are not old enough or have a poor memory |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 12:17 PM |
#59 |
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They don't carry guns now, and neither should you. That period is long gone, so wake up. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 12:27 PM |
#68 |
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Maybe you should wake up |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 12:48 PM |
#78 |
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Interesting rationale for carrying and accumulating a weapon cache. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 01:14 PM |
#84 |
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You are correct |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 01:57 PM |
#91 |
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Have you ever had an independent thought that isn't also a logical fallacy? |
Callisto32 |
Nov-30-11 08:05 AM |
#230 |
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Dogs have killed postal workers. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 12:25 PM |
#65 |
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And you didn't hear postal workers demand the right to carry a gun because of that incident. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 12:29 PM |
#70 |
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I have, but for other reasons. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 12:35 PM |
#71 |
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Did they grant your wish? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 01:15 PM |
#85 |
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Try making sense. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 01:17 PM |
#86 |
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Bicycle riders with guns. |
Straw Man |
Dec-01-11 11:24 PM |
#247 |
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Guns and bicycles |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-02-11 12:05 PM |
#250 |
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Why do you insist on attempting to stiffle discussion and promotion of Civil Rights? |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 10:53 AM |
#39 |
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Guns are not a civil right. Guns in public is not a progressive cause. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 11:10 AM |
#46 |
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Being armed is a civil right. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 11:16 AM |
#49 |
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No it is not. Look up "civil right" on law Web sites, not some gun site. n/t |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 12:17 PM |
#60 |
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Cornell University of Law School: |
Union Scribe |
Nov-28-11 12:47 PM |
#76 |
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Nowhere does that link mention "guns," or "arms," or any other reference to weapons. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 01:21 PM |
#87 |
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let's try this: |
melm00se |
Nov-28-11 01:49 PM |
#89 |
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The "Bill of Rights" and "civil rights" are not the same. In fact, . . . . . |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 02:10 PM |
#92 |
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No, it isnt. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:07 PM |
#100 |
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Maybe now that it is clear, you can stop using term "civil rights" when posting about guns. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:32 PM |
#109 |
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It is clear... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:34 PM |
#111 |
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Except it is only a "civil right" to those who don't know the distinction. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:51 PM |
#118 |
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That's odd.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 04:00 PM |
#122 |
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It might be considered a right by some, but not a "civil right." |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:22 PM |
#141 |
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are regular ,garden variety, rights |
Oneka |
Nov-28-11 08:58 PM |
#175 |
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Mostly different. Although if you consider toting a gun, please realize you don't have to do it. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 09:47 PM |
#177 |
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You should also realize... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 02:07 PM |
#222 |
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If we could just make electricity from your ignorance. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-28-11 05:32 PM |
#129 |
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You got what you asked for... |
Callisto32 |
Nov-30-11 08:07 AM |
#231 |
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Does not have to. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 01:51 PM |
#90 |
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Consider even the simplest of organisms |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 02:42 PM |
#95 |
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Your biggest threat is an accident or illness. See what your guns do for you then. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 02:52 PM |
#97 |
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Just because there are greater threats... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:04 PM |
#99 |
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My biggest worry |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 03:30 PM |
#108 |
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Time to start considering turning in your guns along with your keys. I don't say that lightly |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:33 PM |
#110 |
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I still pass my flight physical |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 03:44 PM |
#115 |
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I pilot friend of mine passed his too, and died a month later. Nice photo by the way. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:47 PM |
#117 |
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Good lookin' T6, is it yours? |
Fair Witness |
Nov-29-11 10:14 AM |
#204 |
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Not mine |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-29-11 12:30 PM |
#216 |
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Oh crap, tht does not sound good. I know the feeling, I let a guy fly my PT22 |
Fair Witness |
Nov-29-11 04:54 PM |
#226 |
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What a shame. |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-29-11 06:18 PM |
#227 |
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Prop driven tail-draggers? |
Callisto32 |
Nov-30-11 08:12 AM |
#232 |
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Yes |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-01-11 07:46 AM |
#243 |
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I've seen that lovely old Electra...I think in Oshkosh or it might have been out around Palm |
Fair Witness |
Dec-02-11 02:29 PM |
#252 |
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Galveston? |
one-eyed fat man |
Dec-02-11 03:59 PM |
#254 |
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Could be, I lost track of it after they sold it and gave me a MU2 to drive. |
Fair Witness |
Dec-02-11 07:07 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-28-11 05:35 PM |
#131 |
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Yet, I have to trust you with a gun or two strapped to your body in a church, restaurant or park. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:21 PM |
#140 |
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You don't have to trust me at all. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 09:04 AM |
#200 |
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Your criteria for trust is awfully narrow and misguided. n/t |
Callisto32 |
Nov-30-11 08:14 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-28-11 08:46 PM |
#171 |
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Facsinating. I report ageist bigotry and mine is the post that gets deleted. Huh. n/t |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 10:21 PM |
#180 |
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Funny how that works. |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-28-11 11:40 PM |
#185 |
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I guess I shouldn't have assumed you know what the Bill of Rights is. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-28-11 05:28 PM |
#127 |
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Again, the "Bill of Rights" is not the same as "Civil Rights." You are one who does not get it. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:35 PM |
#148 |
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The old saying is true: you can lead a Hoyt to knowledge, but you can't make him read. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-29-11 01:42 PM |
#220 |
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I have. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 01:08 PM |
#83 |
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I find the second amendment very progressive. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Nov-28-11 11:24 AM |
#51 |
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You would. If you arming up for the revolution, you can leave your guns at home until it happens. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 01:22 PM |
#88 |
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Well then... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:09 PM |
#101 |
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But we are not applying them to such things. We are talking deadly weapons, that neither you or I |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:35 PM |
#112 |
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Doesn't matter. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 08:51 AM |
#191 |
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The RKBA... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-28-11 12:08 PM |
#58 |
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Law of the land -- then, why are there areas where you can't carry? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 12:21 PM |
#63 |
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The intent has been obfuscated for decades. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 12:28 PM |
#69 |
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"...why are there areas where you can't carry?" |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-28-11 12:44 PM |
#75 |
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It's proof that the supposed "right to bear arms" is not universal as believed by those who can't |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 02:17 PM |
#93 |
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You're right - they only apply to certain circumstances... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:01 PM |
#98 |
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I think there was a part of this thread... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-28-11 05:30 PM |
#128 |
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For something short, try reading the ACLU position. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:38 PM |
#149 |
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So? |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:17 PM |
#159 |
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GEJ, now you get it -- McDonald and Heller are similar in structure to Miller. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 08:26 PM |
#161 |
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The precedent comes from before Miller |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:43 PM |
#169 |
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See how it works if another Stevens or Breyers gets appointed or one of the right wingers |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 09:52 PM |
#178 |
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Heller had nothing to do with "guns in public" |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 10:35 PM |
#181 |
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The result will be the same. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-30-11 08:37 AM |
#236 |
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McDonald and Heller... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 08:54 AM |
#193 |
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Do I have to explain everything to you? The ruling in Miller was ignored in these recent cases. |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 10:30 AM |
#207 |
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First you say... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 10:39 AM |
#212 |
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You must need... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-30-11 07:16 PM |
#240 |
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You do realize... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 08:52 AM |
#192 |
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Why don't you walk down street with a gun in Chicago and DC and see what McDonald/Heller are worth? |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 08:55 AM |
#194 |
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If i had the money and the time |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 08:58 AM |
#197 |
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! |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-28-11 04:22 PM |
#125 |
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More ignorance from you? |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 08:45 PM |
#170 |
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"What conclusion would you draw from... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-28-11 12:19 PM |
#62 |
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Obey law only in the sense that they take "opportunity" to shoot a fleeing teenager when its legal. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 12:26 PM |
#66 |
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"you don't give a chit about innocent bystanders" |
Hangingon |
Nov-28-11 12:37 PM |
#72 |
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"Personal defense ammo" is that the stuff that expands upon impacting flesh and body organs? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 02:45 PM |
#96 |
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No, it is ammunition... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:11 PM |
#102 |
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That's your interpretation. Mine is it's designed to kill more effectively. Besides, don't shoot |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:16 PM |
#104 |
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It isnt interpretation. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:36 PM |
#113 |
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Do you have difficulty understanding how a parachute works? |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 03:17 PM |
#106 |
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I explained how unjacketed bullets works before you did. I think most people use them for stopping |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:44 PM |
#114 |
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Stopping power protects... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:53 PM |
#119 |
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that has to to do with the Hague Convention |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 03:54 PM |
#120 |
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Sure, you guys want access to military guns, but dang if you'll go with jacketed bullets. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:12 PM |
#134 |
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I have FMJs for |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:04 PM |
#157 |
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Teh ignorance.... |
PavePusher |
Nov-28-11 08:51 PM |
#173 |
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All of my self defense rounds are jacketed. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-29-11 08:56 AM |
#195 |
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Most don't -- Too much fun figuring out how much damage a bullet will do. |
Hoyt |
Nov-30-11 05:12 AM |
#229 |
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No, most DO |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-30-11 08:31 AM |
#234 |
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Ah you use "partially" jacketed so they kill "better." Do you add special scores to make it worse. |
Hoyt |
Nov-30-11 11:19 AM |
#237 |
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No, I use them to stop the target better. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Dec-01-11 07:46 AM |
#244 |
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The proscriptions against ammunition |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-28-11 04:11 PM |
#123 |
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You guys have twisted logic. Interesting, those who laughed at my earlier reference to dumdums are |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:15 PM |
#136 |
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twisted logic is better than |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:02 PM |
#156 |
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Note, moreover, that the Declaration IV,3 only applies to conflicts between state parties |
Euromutt |
Dec-03-11 08:08 AM |
#256 |
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Your shooting scenarios are really odd. |
Hangingon |
Nov-28-11 05:10 PM |
#126 |
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I bet you don't know anyone who uses jacketed bullets for self-defense. Not deadly enough for you. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:17 PM |
#137 |
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pepper spray |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 07:57 PM |
#152 |
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So do you carry it every time you walk out the door? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 08:28 PM |
#162 |
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The only thing I carry is my |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:39 PM |
#167 |
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I'm going to bust your bubble |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-29-11 01:21 AM |
#187 |
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Begg to differ |
RSillsbee |
Nov-29-11 09:02 AM |
#199 |
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I did briefly |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-29-11 10:02 AM |
#203 |
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DPICM can be fairly nasty as well NT |
RSillsbee |
Nov-29-11 01:10 PM |
#218 |
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I do know some who carry FMJ for defense. |
Hangingon |
Nov-29-11 08:42 AM |
#190 |
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Have a professional acquaintance who is a retired coroner |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-29-11 10:35 AM |
#210 |
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You and... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-28-11 05:33 PM |
#130 |
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"Rest of the world" -- only about 3 - 4% of US population find it necessary to pack a gun in public. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:18 PM |
#139 |
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define civilized and rational |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 07:58 PM |
#153 |
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Yea, those dang Australians, Germans, Brits, Dans, etc., live in an oppressive police state. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 08:32 PM |
#164 |
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I was thinking of |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:53 PM |
#174 |
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Try thinking in terms of Australia, etc. Heck, howsabout Canada? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 09:43 PM |
#176 |
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Canada passed their |
gejohnston |
Nov-30-11 08:31 AM |
#235 |
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I see that... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-28-11 12:57 PM |
#82 |
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Why does it bother you so much... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:12 PM |
#103 |
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Are you in law enforcement, a judge, or Jesus? |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 03:45 PM |
#116 |
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None of the above |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-28-11 03:59 PM |
#121 |
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are you? |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-28-11 07:18 PM |
#138 |
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Nope, and I don't play one on a daily basis by carrying a gun in public. |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 08:56 AM |
#196 |
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you sure do sit in judgment around here on a daily basis with |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-29-11 12:50 PM |
#217 |
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no but |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:00 PM |
# |
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no but |
gejohnston |
Nov-28-11 08:00 PM |
#154 |
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Oh, look, the prime offender. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-28-11 12:40 PM |
#73 |
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Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing that NT |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 08:01 PM |
#155 |
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WTF is a "gunner"? |
rl6214 |
Nov-28-11 12:50 PM |
#79 |
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The same conclusion I draw from the drivel you post |
RSillsbee |
Nov-28-11 07:31 PM |
#145 |
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Lot of fuckin money spent on making it cool for the masses. |
Hoyt |
Nov-28-11 07:40 PM |
#150 |
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Do you continue to urinate into the prevailing advection harboring some forlorn hope |
Fair Witness |
Nov-29-11 10:16 AM |
#205 |
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I have little doubt that you guys are incapable of going without your guns. |
Hoyt |
Nov-29-11 01:32 PM |
#219 |
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Your lack of doubt has no effect on the rights of citizens, fortunately. |
Fair Witness |
Nov-29-11 04:49 PM |
#223 |
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The same thing as people who buy cars designed to go 140 miles per hour. |
beevul |
Nov-28-11 08:10 PM |
#158 |
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I carry a gun from time to time |
melm00se |
Nov-28-11 07:33 AM |
#20 |
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I agree, but it does represent |
DWC |
Nov-28-11 10:06 AM |
#30 |
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I make sure of where I go and when... |
MicaelS |
Nov-28-11 12:17 PM |
#61 |
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Ignore works well for that problem |
slackmaster |
Nov-28-11 07:24 PM |
#142 |
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You're Not The Boss Of Me. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Nov-30-11 08:03 PM |
#242 |
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get used to it...these people hate you because of your freedom. |
ileus |
Dec-01-11 08:03 AM |
#245 |
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Yeah! Anyone that doesn't agree with me should just STFU!!! |
deacon_sephiroth |
Dec-02-11 11:19 AM |
#248 |
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that is not what it says |
gejohnston |
Dec-02-11 11:38 AM |
#249 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-02-11 02:57 PM |
#253 |
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I can't believe this thread wasn't spotted and locked. |
onehandle |
Dec-03-11 09:18 AM |
#257 |
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We're locking this. |
greatauntoftriplets |
Dec-03-11 09:25 AM |
#258 |
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