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Response to Reply #40
45. Unarmed people do not have lethal potential?
Huh. Martial Arts trainers around the world are suddenly out of a job. Good work.
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  -This is really getting old RSillsbee  Nov-27-11 08:24 PM   #0 
  - It's a terrifying prospect.  krispos42   Nov-27-11 08:54 PM   #1 
  - Great post.  Hangingon   Nov-27-11 09:00 PM   #2 
  - "As is belittling Texas as a state of bumbling  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-27-11 10:41 PM   #11 
  - I've never been there m'self.  rrneck   Nov-27-11 09:04 PM   #3 
  - I would say not to let them get to you, but sometimes things need to said.  aikoaiko   Nov-27-11 09:14 PM   #4 
  - This forum  Old Codger   Nov-27-11 09:24 PM   #5 
  - I only know of two here that post that on a regular basis  rl6214   Nov-27-11 09:45 PM   #6 
  - Two Iraq war vets in my school have told me they felt profound guilt over the people they killed.  ZombieHorde   Nov-27-11 10:02 PM   #7 
  - Bravo  tavalon   Nov-27-11 10:06 PM   #8 
  - only true sociopaths enjoy killing their own species.  RSillsbee   Nov-27-11 10:25 PM   #10 
     - Strange that you should mention that ...  spin   Nov-27-11 11:03 PM   #12 
     - I don't kill bugs in my house  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 08:15 AM   #24 
     - In Florida we have these enormous roaches known as Palmetto bugs ...  spin   Nov-28-11 11:06 AM   #42 
        - I lived in New Port Richey for 5 years  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 07:13 PM   #135 
        - My old Cracker Grandmother called those "debaters"...  SteveM   Nov-30-11 02:29 PM   #238 
     - If at all possible I will pick them up and take them outside  rl6214   Nov-28-11 12:42 PM   #74 
        - Yeah, sometimes they'll turn on you and then you're in trouble. nt  SteveM   Nov-30-11 02:30 PM   #239 
     - Excellent point  tavalon   Nov-28-11 07:12 AM   #19 
     - Well, there are varying degrees.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 10:24 AM   #32 
  - They're no different than the people that demonize anything they don't understand.  The Doctor.   Nov-27-11 10:06 PM   #9 
  - I burned through several boxes of 12 gauge shells shooting clay targets  mistertrickster   Nov-27-11 11:20 PM   #13 
  - Protecting myself from that nightmare is a good reason for me to NOT own a gun.  Speck Tater   Nov-27-11 11:45 PM   #14 
  - And if you haven't raped anyone, you should shut up about THAT too, right?  saras   Nov-28-11 12:14 AM   #15 
  - Did you ever stop to think that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 08:17 AM   #25 
  - What one hears and what one believes ar two different things.  Remmah2   Nov-28-11 08:51 AM   #26 
  - How is that even supposed to work as an analogy?  Euromutt   Nov-28-11 03:17 PM   #105 
  - That is why I am always reminding people  safeinOhio   Nov-28-11 06:07 AM   #16 
  - I think one of us misunderstands the term  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 10:14 AM   #31 
  - I think it took people on both sides to discourage it.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 10:27 AM   #33 
  - This is a forum where gun heroes are gleefully cheered and celebrated all the time  jpak   Nov-28-11 06:26 AM   #17 
  - Yes, I do.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 10:28 AM   #34 
  - There you go again with your new buzz phrase of the week  rl6214   Nov-28-11 12:47 PM   #77 
  - I have made my position on that crystal clear, numerous times.  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 07:29 PM   #144 
  - What conclusion would you draw from posts applauding shooting unarmed car burglars leaving scene . .  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:09 AM   #18 
  - There's a lot of mischaracterization there.  krispos42   Nov-28-11 07:36 AM   #21 
  - Tell me again  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 07:48 AM   #22 
  - So, WTF does that have to do with people carrying guns in public in the USA?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 09:05 AM   #27 
     - Please read the OP. if you can understand it then you will know.  oneshooter   Nov-28-11 09:13 AM   #28 
        - Still has nothing to do with people getting permits to carry in the USA.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 09:40 AM   #29 
           - Untrue on all fronts.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 10:37 AM   #36 
           - I'd say that it is well established that Hoyt's hypocracy and double-speak....  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 10:52 AM   #38 
           - You proved my point, you used your firearm to "de-escalate" confrontation with unarmed man.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:04 AM   #40 
              - Unarmed people do not have lethal potential?  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 11:09 AM   #45 
              - No I didn't.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 11:15 AM   #48 
              - OK, I applaud you for not pulling your gun on an unarmed man.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:54 AM   #57 
                 - He had arms.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 12:27 PM   #67 
              - Reading comprehension, try it.  rl6214   Nov-28-11 12:57 PM   #81 
                 - Guess what? You can just as easily de-escalate that minor confrontation when you don't have a gun.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:28 PM   #107 
                    - You still just don't get it, never will.  rl6214   Nov-28-11 06:11 PM   #133 
                    - If you didn't see the SAFETY aspects in the course description, then you are illiterate....  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 08:39 PM   #165 
                    - The firearm isn't for de-escalation.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 11:36 PM   #183 
                    - "Dodge and shoot"?  Straw Man   Nov-30-11 07:43 PM   #241 
                       - No cite, huh?  Straw Man   Dec-01-11 11:01 PM   #246 
                          - Of course not. Factual accuracy is only for heathens like us, not the faithful n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-02-11 12:35 PM   #251 
           - You can, of course, cite to some studies or data that support your wild assertion....  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 10:51 AM   #37 
           - This is an opinion forum -- all politics is. If you have something to rebut my opinion, show it.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:06 AM   #41 
              - You stated a claim as fact, not an opinion.  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 11:07 AM   #43 
                 - No, I expressed my opinion, and it is my experience. You have a different opinion or  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:13 AM   #47 
                    - I will quote you for completeness:  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 08:41 PM   #168 
           - "...with little disregard..."?  emcguffie   Nov-28-11 11:29 AM   #52 
           - Yes I meant "with little regard." You got it on your first guess.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:49 AM   #56 
           - WTF is a "toter"? Is that like a purse you carry?  rl6214   Nov-28-11 12:51 PM   #80 
           - I don't know where you guys carry, since I don't. I know some of you prefer groin holsters.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:25 PM   #143 
              - I've never heard of a "groin holster", is that another one of your  rl6214   Nov-29-11 04:50 PM   #224 
           - How many "right wing toters" have you actually met? And spoken to  Common Sense Party   Nov-28-11 04:11 PM   #124 
           - Where I'm from, a bunch. Actually, martial arts is better than resorting to guns.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:31 PM   #146 
              - almost a paradox  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:30 PM   #163 
              - I have known several like that. In fact, one stayed with me over TG.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 08:39 PM   #166 
              - I am not a fucking ninja.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 11:37 PM   #184 
              - You ain't a cowboy either . . . . . .well, maybe you are.  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 08:16 AM   #189 
                 - Not by trade.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 09:40 AM   #201 
                    - That's cool, at least your are "playing" cowboy in the right place. Now back to your playing LE or  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 10:34 AM   #209 
                       - I play 'public defender' all the time.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 10:52 AM   #213 
              - Didn't answer the question. Is someone trained in martial arts more  Common Sense Party   Nov-29-11 12:17 AM   #186 
              - Martial arts is better than a gun?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 10:21 AM   #206 
           - This is what it has to do w/ carrying a gun in the USA  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 07:44 PM   #151 
              - Like I said, you guys aren't who I'm concerned about. The other millions of fuckers probably aren't  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 08:18 PM   #160 
                 - Can I jyust call you a dumb fuck and put you on ignore and leave it at that?  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 08:48 PM   #172 
                    - Please. You have always had that option.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 09:53 PM   #179 
  - :  Callisto32   Nov-28-11 07:52 AM   #23 
  - Why do you have such a hard on for people carrying firearms on a bicycle?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 10:30 AM   #35 
  - Used to ride a lot. A bicycle rider does not need a gun -- no matter how much they love them.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:08 AM   #44 
     - There is no reason to criticize it.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 11:17 AM   #50 
     - Shooting a dog is wrong -- sorry to be contrary.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:40 AM   #54 
        - Not based on the facts claimed by the article. Anything that tries to eat you is fair game.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 12:24 PM   #64 
           - Facts available lead me to conclude the bicyclist would have taken better options without a gun.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 02:32 PM   #94 
              - It does not matter that SOME people are obnoxiously boastful/etc.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 06:03 PM   #132 
                 - Oh come on -- fears of bogeyman got you carrying guns in public, now you are concerned about dogs.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:34 PM   #147 
                    - I know this keeps bouncing off your skull but  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 11:33 PM   #182 
                       - Oh no, not one of those who carries a gun to save others. Please, unless in LE, it's not your place.  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 08:14 AM   #188 
                          - Law Enforcement...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 09:00 AM   #198 
                          - I think you misunderstand the nature of Law Enforcement.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 09:42 AM   #202 
                          - Whatever guys, it ain't your place to play Bat Man or Spider Man with your guns. Get real.  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 10:32 AM   #208 
                             - Nobody is.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 10:38 AM   #211 
                             - And to clarify, an incident like Mark Allen Wilson opposing the Tyler Tx courthouse shooter  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 10:56 AM   #215 
                                - According to the " Law of Hoyt" you are wrong.  oneshooter   Nov-29-11 06:19 PM   #228 
                             - Never claimed to. Just a figment of your imagination.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 10:54 AM   #214 
                             - Social responsibility....  PavePusher   Nov-29-11 04:53 PM   #225 
                          - Hue and cry  one-eyed fat man   Nov-29-11 02:01 PM   #221 
     - History repeats  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 11:38 AM   #53 
     - Funny, I find that letter carriers use their bags, pepper spray or similar -- but not a gun.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:45 AM   #55 
        - You are not old enough or have a poor memory  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 12:17 PM   #59 
        - They don't carry guns now, and neither should you. That period is long gone, so wake up.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 12:27 PM   #68 
           - Maybe you should wake up  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 12:48 PM   #78 
           - Interesting rationale for carrying and accumulating a weapon cache.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 01:14 PM   #84 
           - You are correct  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 01:57 PM   #91 
           - Have you ever had an independent thought that isn't also a logical fallacy?  Callisto32   Nov-30-11 08:05 AM   #230 
        - Dogs have killed postal workers.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 12:25 PM   #65 
           - And you didn't hear postal workers demand the right to carry a gun because of that incident.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 12:29 PM   #70 
              - I have, but for other reasons.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 12:35 PM   #71 
                 - Did they grant your wish?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 01:15 PM   #85 
                    - Try making sense.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 01:17 PM   #86 
     - Bicycle riders with guns.  Straw Man   Dec-01-11 11:24 PM   #247 
     - Guns and bicycles  one-eyed fat man   Dec-02-11 12:05 PM   #250 
  - Why do you insist on attempting to stiffle discussion and promotion of Civil Rights?  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 10:53 AM   #39 
  - Guns are not a civil right. Guns in public is not a progressive cause.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 11:10 AM   #46 
     - Being armed is a civil right.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 11:16 AM   #49 
     - No it is not. Look up "civil right" on law Web sites, not some gun site. n/t  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 12:17 PM   #60 
        - Cornell University of Law School:  Union Scribe   Nov-28-11 12:47 PM   #76 
        - Nowhere does that link mention "guns," or "arms," or any other reference to weapons.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 01:21 PM   #87 
           - let's try this:  melm00se   Nov-28-11 01:49 PM   #89 
           - The "Bill of Rights" and "civil rights" are not the same. In fact, . . . . .  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 02:10 PM   #92 
              - No, it isnt.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:07 PM   #100 
              - Maybe now that it is clear, you can stop using term "civil rights" when posting about guns.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:32 PM   #109 
                 - It is clear...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:34 PM   #111 
                    - Except it is only a "civil right" to those who don't know the distinction.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:51 PM   #118 
                       - That's odd....  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 04:00 PM   #122 
                          - It might be considered a right by some, but not a "civil right."  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:22 PM   #141 
                             - are regular ,garden variety, rights  Oneka   Nov-28-11 08:58 PM   #175 
                                - Mostly different. Although if you consider toting a gun, please realize you don't have to do it.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 09:47 PM   #177 
                                   - You should also realize...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 02:07 PM   #222 
              - If we could just make electricity from your ignorance.  Union Scribe   Nov-28-11 05:32 PM   #129 
              - You got what you asked for...  Callisto32   Nov-30-11 08:07 AM   #231 
           - Does not have to.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 01:51 PM   #90 
           - Consider even the simplest of organisms  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 02:42 PM   #95 
           - Your biggest threat is an accident or illness. See what your guns do for you then.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 02:52 PM   #97 
              - Just because there are greater threats...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:04 PM   #99 
              - My biggest worry  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 03:30 PM   #108 
                 - Time to start considering turning in your guns along with your keys. I don't say that lightly  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:33 PM   #110 
                    - I still pass my flight physical  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 03:44 PM   #115 
                    - I pilot friend of mine passed his too, and died a month later. Nice photo by the way.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:47 PM   #117 
                    - Good lookin' T6, is it yours?  Fair Witness   Nov-29-11 10:14 AM   #204 
                    - Not mine  one-eyed fat man   Nov-29-11 12:30 PM   #216 
                       - Oh crap, tht does not sound good. I know the feeling, I let a guy fly my PT22  Fair Witness   Nov-29-11 04:54 PM   #226 
                          - What a shame.  one-eyed fat man   Nov-29-11 06:18 PM   #227 
                    - Prop driven tail-draggers?  Callisto32   Nov-30-11 08:12 AM   #232 
                       - Yes  one-eyed fat man   Dec-01-11 07:46 AM   #243 
                          - I've seen that lovely old Electra...I think in Oshkosh or it might have been out around Palm  Fair Witness   Dec-02-11 02:29 PM   #252 
                             - Galveston?  one-eyed fat man   Dec-02-11 03:59 PM   #254 
                                - Could be, I lost track of it after they sold it and gave me a MU2 to drive.  Fair Witness   Dec-02-11 07:07 PM   #255 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-28-11 05:35 PM   #131 
                    - Yet, I have to trust you with a gun or two strapped to your body in a church, restaurant or park.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:21 PM   #140 
                       - You don't have to trust me at all.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 09:04 AM   #200 
                       - Your criteria for trust is awfully narrow and misguided. n/t  Callisto32   Nov-30-11 08:14 AM   #233 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-28-11 08:46 PM   #171 
                    - Facsinating. I report ageist bigotry and mine is the post that gets deleted. Huh. n/t  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 10:21 PM   #180 
                       - Funny how that works.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-11 11:40 PM   #185 
           - I guess I shouldn't have assumed you know what the Bill of Rights is.  Union Scribe   Nov-28-11 05:28 PM   #127 
              - Again, the "Bill of Rights" is not the same as "Civil Rights." You are one who does not get it.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:35 PM   #148 
                 - The old saying is true: you can lead a Hoyt to knowledge, but you can't make him read.  Union Scribe   Nov-29-11 01:42 PM   #220 
        - I have.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 01:08 PM   #83 
     - I find the second amendment very progressive.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Nov-28-11 11:24 AM   #51 
     - You would. If you arming up for the revolution, you can leave your guns at home until it happens.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 01:22 PM   #88 
        - Well then...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:09 PM   #101 
           - But we are not applying them to such things. We are talking deadly weapons, that neither you or I  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:35 PM   #112 
              - Doesn't matter.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 08:51 AM   #191 
     - The RKBA...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-28-11 12:08 PM   #58 
     - Law of the land -- then, why are there areas where you can't carry?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 12:21 PM   #63 
        - The intent has been obfuscated for decades.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 12:28 PM   #69 
        - "...why are there areas where you can't carry?"  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-28-11 12:44 PM   #75 
           - It's proof that the supposed "right to bear arms" is not universal as believed by those who can't  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 02:17 PM   #93 
              - You're right - they only apply to certain circumstances...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:01 PM   #98 
                 - I think there was a part of this thread...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-28-11 05:30 PM   #128 
                 - For something short, try reading the ACLU position.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:38 PM   #149 
                    - So?  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:17 PM   #159 
                    - GEJ, now you get it -- McDonald and Heller are similar in structure to Miller.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 08:26 PM   #161 
                       - The precedent comes from before Miller  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:43 PM   #169 
                       - See how it works if another Stevens or Breyers gets appointed or one of the right wingers  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 09:52 PM   #178 
                          - Heller had nothing to do with "guns in public"  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 10:35 PM   #181 
                          - The result will be the same.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-30-11 08:37 AM   #236 
                       - McDonald and Heller...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 08:54 AM   #193 
                          - Do I have to explain everything to you? The ruling in Miller was ignored in these recent cases.  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 10:30 AM   #207 
                             - First you say...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 10:39 AM   #212 
                             - You must need...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-30-11 07:16 PM   #240 
                    - You do realize...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 08:52 AM   #192 
                       - Why don't you walk down street with a gun in Chicago and DC and see what McDonald/Heller are worth?  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 08:55 AM   #194 
                          - If i had the money and the time  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 08:58 AM   #197 
     - !  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-28-11 04:22 PM   #125 
     - More ignorance from you?  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 08:45 PM   #170 
  - "What conclusion would you draw from...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-28-11 12:19 PM   #62 
  - Obey law only in the sense that they take "opportunity" to shoot a fleeing teenager when its legal.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 12:26 PM   #66 
     - "you don't give a chit about innocent bystanders"  Hangingon   Nov-28-11 12:37 PM   #72 
     - "Personal defense ammo" is that the stuff that expands upon impacting flesh and body organs?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 02:45 PM   #96 
        - No, it is ammunition...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:11 PM   #102 
        - That's your interpretation. Mine is it's designed to kill more effectively. Besides, don't shoot  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:16 PM   #104 
           - It isnt interpretation.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:36 PM   #113 
        - Do you have difficulty understanding how a parachute works?  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 03:17 PM   #106 
           - I explained how unjacketed bullets works before you did. I think most people use them for stopping  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:44 PM   #114 
              - Stopping power protects...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:53 PM   #119 
              - that has to to do with the Hague Convention  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 03:54 PM   #120 
              - Sure, you guys want access to military guns, but dang if you'll go with jacketed bullets.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:12 PM   #134 
                 - I have FMJs for  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:04 PM   #157 
                 - Teh ignorance....  PavePusher   Nov-28-11 08:51 PM   #173 
                 - All of my self defense rounds are jacketed.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-29-11 08:56 AM   #195 
                    - Most don't -- Too much fun figuring out how much damage a bullet will do.  Hoyt   Nov-30-11 05:12 AM   #229 
                       - No, most DO  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-30-11 08:31 AM   #234 
                          - Ah you use "partially" jacketed so they kill "better." Do you add special scores to make it worse.  Hoyt   Nov-30-11 11:19 AM   #237 
                             - No, I use them to stop the target better.  We_Have_A_Problem   Dec-01-11 07:46 AM   #244 
              - The proscriptions against ammunition  one-eyed fat man   Nov-28-11 04:11 PM   #123 
              - You guys have twisted logic. Interesting, those who laughed at my earlier reference to dumdums are  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:15 PM   #136 
              - twisted logic is better than  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:02 PM   #156 
              - Note, moreover, that the Declaration IV,3 only applies to conflicts between state parties  Euromutt   Dec-03-11 08:08 AM   #256 
              - Your shooting scenarios are really odd.  Hangingon   Nov-28-11 05:10 PM   #126 
              - I bet you don't know anyone who uses jacketed bullets for self-defense. Not deadly enough for you.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:17 PM   #137 
                 - pepper spray  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 07:57 PM   #152 
                 - So do you carry it every time you walk out the door?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 08:28 PM   #162 
                    - The only thing I carry is my  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:39 PM   #167 
                 - I'm going to bust your bubble  one-eyed fat man   Nov-29-11 01:21 AM   #187 
                 - Begg to differ  RSillsbee   Nov-29-11 09:02 AM   #199 
                    - I did briefly  one-eyed fat man   Nov-29-11 10:02 AM   #203 
                       - DPICM can be fairly nasty as well NT  RSillsbee   Nov-29-11 01:10 PM   #218 
                 - I do know some who carry FMJ for defense.  Hangingon   Nov-29-11 08:42 AM   #190 
                    - Have a professional acquaintance who is a retired coroner  one-eyed fat man   Nov-29-11 10:35 AM   #210 
              - You and...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-28-11 05:33 PM   #130 
                 - "Rest of the world" -- only about 3 - 4% of US population find it necessary to pack a gun in public.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:18 PM   #139 
                    - define civilized and rational  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 07:58 PM   #153 
                       - Yea, those dang Australians, Germans, Brits, Dans, etc., live in an oppressive police state.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 08:32 PM   #164 
                          - I was thinking of  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:53 PM   #174 
                             - Try thinking in terms of Australia, etc. Heck, howsabout Canada?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 09:43 PM   #176 
                                - Canada passed their  gejohnston   Nov-30-11 08:31 AM   #235 
     - I see that...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-28-11 12:57 PM   #82 
     - Why does it bother you so much...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:12 PM   #103 
        - Are you in law enforcement, a judge, or Jesus?  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 03:45 PM   #116 
           - None of the above  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-28-11 03:59 PM   #121 
           - are you?  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-28-11 07:18 PM   #138 
           - Nope, and I don't play one on a daily basis by carrying a gun in public.  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 08:56 AM   #196 
              - you sure do sit in judgment around here on a daily basis with  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-29-11 12:50 PM   #217 
           - no but  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:00 PM   # 
           - no but  gejohnston   Nov-28-11 08:00 PM   #154 
  - Oh, look, the prime offender.  Union Scribe   Nov-28-11 12:40 PM   #73 
  - Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing that NT  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 08:01 PM   #155 
  - WTF is a "gunner"?  rl6214   Nov-28-11 12:50 PM   #79 
  - The same conclusion I draw from the drivel you post  RSillsbee   Nov-28-11 07:31 PM   #145 
  - Lot of fuckin money spent on making it cool for the masses.  Hoyt   Nov-28-11 07:40 PM   #150 
     - Do you continue to urinate into the prevailing advection harboring some forlorn hope  Fair Witness   Nov-29-11 10:16 AM   #205 
        - I have little doubt that you guys are incapable of going without your guns.  Hoyt   Nov-29-11 01:32 PM   #219 
           - Your lack of doubt has no effect on the rights of citizens, fortunately.  Fair Witness   Nov-29-11 04:49 PM   #223 
  - The same thing as people who buy cars designed to go 140 miles per hour.  beevul   Nov-28-11 08:10 PM   #158 
  - I carry a gun from time to time  melm00se   Nov-28-11 07:33 AM   #20 
  - I agree, but it does represent  DWC   Nov-28-11 10:06 AM   #30 
  - I make sure of where I go and when...  MicaelS   Nov-28-11 12:17 PM   #61 
  - Ignore works well for that problem  slackmaster   Nov-28-11 07:24 PM   #142 
  - You're Not The Boss Of Me. (n/t)  Paladin   Nov-30-11 08:03 PM   #242 
  - get used to it...these people hate you because of your freedom.  ileus   Dec-01-11 08:03 AM   #245 
  - Yeah! Anyone that doesn't agree with me should just STFU!!!  deacon_sephiroth   Dec-02-11 11:19 AM   #248 
  - that is not what it says  gejohnston   Dec-02-11 11:38 AM   #249 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-11 02:57 PM   #253 
  - I can't believe this thread wasn't spotted and locked.  onehandle   Dec-03-11 09:18 AM   #257 
  - We're locking this.  greatauntoftriplets   Dec-03-11 09:25 AM   #258 
 

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