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Fri Nov-18-11 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #37 |
| 38. Well yeah - streamlining the process would help... |
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As far as your suggestions, the problem is, you're equating reasonable doubt with all possible doubt, and the two are very different.
Yes, i am fully aware of the risk (as small as it is) of executing an innocent man, but there is also the plain fact that by letting these scum file appeal after appeal after appeal, seeking the slightest obscure technicality or even misprint of a document as an excuse to let them free, what you end up doing is making a mockery of justice.
What about their victim's families? Why should they have to be put through decades of seeing the killer of their loved one filing appeal after appeal at taxpayer's expense?
Reasonable doubt is just that - reasonable. To me, if the number or people who have to say you're guilty and deserve to die have all agreed that is the case, then the "reasonable" standard has been meet. Give them one appeal to review the legal procedures and make sure nobody was paid off, and upon that appeal, take them out back and put some lead in their brain.
Cold? Yep. Borderline barbaric? Sure is. Do i feel guilty about it? Not one damned bit. 99.9999% of the people on death row are pure scum. Removing them from society is the best possible solution.
The only alternative I could accept would be banishment, but to where would you send them?
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| -Alright Gungeon, How Do You Fare on the Death Penalty? |
LAGC |
Nov-18-11 07:57 AM |
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False equivalency... |
rfranklin |
Nov-18-11 08:04 AM |
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Between the druggies and gun nutz, one sometimes need to stop others from |
RC |
Nov-18-11 08:05 AM |
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Violent criminals are not innocent |
ObamaFTW2012 |
Nov-18-11 03:00 PM |
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The death penalty is just a blood sport for lawyers. |
jeepnstein |
Nov-18-11 08:11 AM |
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Does the use of lethal force automatically require the use of handguns? |
baldguy |
Nov-18-11 08:14 AM |
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+1 |
TheCowsCameHome |
Nov-18-11 08:18 AM |
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It's sad that the two of you actually think that that's an argument. |
TheWraith |
Nov-18-11 03:22 PM |
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So, you think it never happens? Or just not often enough for you to consider we have a problem? |
Hoyt |
Nov-18-11 11:12 PM |
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not sure there is such a thing as an inconsequential threat to some |
DrDan |
Nov-18-11 08:23 AM |
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-1 nt |
Remmah2 |
Nov-18-11 08:41 AM |
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so you don't believe that? or you don't think it should be posted? |
DrDan |
Nov-18-11 08:48 AM |
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By all means show us a link NT |
RSillsbee |
Nov-19-11 08:32 AM |
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I did - see post 30 |
DrDan |
Nov-20-11 06:37 AM |
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link to that, please. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-18-11 10:52 AM |
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Unfortunately, that is true. Read this thread... |
TPaine7 |
Nov-18-11 11:17 AM |
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will have to read it later tonight -- |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-18-11 11:20 AM |
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here ya go |
DrDan |
Nov-18-11 12:02 PM |
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Armed robbery is a lethal threat; the object of the crime is secondary. nt |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 03:04 PM |
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and cold-blooded murder is cold-blooded murder |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 03:41 PM |
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it's killing someone for a ball point pen |
DrDan |
Nov-19-11 04:30 AM |
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Exactly. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Nov-18-11 03:33 PM |
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Sorry dude. |
Callisto32 |
Nov-19-11 06:53 AM |
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Which is why we have police. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-18-11 08:27 AM |
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I thought you didn't trust the State? |
baldguy |
Nov-18-11 08:34 AM |
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I don't trust the State to have oversight over ITSELF. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-18-11 10:44 AM |
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You're joking, right? Either that, or you're woefully ignorant. |
baldguy |
Nov-18-11 11:19 AM |
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yeah, don't trust the people whom the people elect |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 11:30 AM |
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No, I wasn't joking. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-18-11 02:20 PM |
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Did you actually READ that article about the shooting over the dog? |
Euromutt |
Nov-21-11 06:25 AM |
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Even if it was, in both cases the shooters did not get away without repercussions. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-21-11 10:05 AM |
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haha, now "oversight" is the buzzword du jour |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 10:52 AM |
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I want my bedtime Tory! |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 10:47 AM |
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the doorbell ringer |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 11:11 AM |
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more of the false falseness |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 11:06 AM |
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You have to shoot a little lower if it's a kid behind the door.. |
ileus |
Nov-18-11 11:23 AM |
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who said "through a door"? |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 11:40 AM |
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"Rootie-toot-toot! Three times she shot, right through that hardwood door...." |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 03:07 PM |
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Not if you know what lethal means |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-18-11 11:33 AM |
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There are problems with your outlook... |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 03:02 PM |
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Oy. |
Callisto32 |
Nov-19-11 06:58 AM |
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Since this is so common |
RSillsbee |
Nov-19-11 08:31 AM |
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The examples have a ring of familiarity to them. |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-19-11 07:46 PM |
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omg, I missed this one |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 10:55 AM |
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I trust the individual, but not the State. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-18-11 08:25 AM |
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+1 |
Remmah2 |
Nov-18-11 08:40 AM |
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"especially since when he uses lethal force there is judicial oversight" |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 11:12 AM |
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If the constituted authority investigates the shooting... |
57_TomCat |
Nov-21-11 07:58 PM |
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which it may not do |
iverglas |
Nov-23-11 12:08 AM |
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Option 2. |
rrneck |
Nov-18-11 10:32 AM |
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bizarre unanswerable questions |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 10:49 AM |
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OK I tend to agree with a lot of what you have written -- |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-18-11 11:25 AM |
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sniff |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 11:28 AM |
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Tough question. |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-18-11 11:24 AM |
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I oppose the death penalty because of the added expense of the court proceedings ... |
spin |
Nov-18-11 12:45 PM |
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here's another possibility / unintended/perverse effect |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 12:54 PM |
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Good point, I hadn't thought of that. |
LAGC |
Nov-18-11 01:03 PM |
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You make a good point ... |
spin |
Nov-18-11 01:52 PM |
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LOL, while reading your reply I had the Void dire scene from My Cousin Vinny |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-19-11 07:50 PM |
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Just because one supports the death penalty... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-21-11 11:28 AM |
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ah, if only you could have seen my post 32 |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 11:59 AM |
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Well, its all over now. After a short delay, Paul Ezra Rhoades was executed by lethal injection... |
LAGC |
Nov-18-11 01:40 PM |
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I dont see it as blood-thirsty revenge. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-18-11 01:44 PM |
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Well, the ironic thing is... |
LAGC |
Nov-18-11 01:57 PM |
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Well yeah - streamlining the process would help... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-18-11 02:13 PM |
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Well, maybe we'll banish them all to Mars someday. |
LAGC |
Nov-18-11 02:33 PM |
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Mars is an excelent idea... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-18-11 02:44 PM |
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"innocent people put to death at the hands of the state" |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 02:48 PM |
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Oppose death penalty, would use lethal force when there is a lethal threat... |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 02:57 PM |
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I have no moral objection, but I have a strong practical one. |
TheWraith |
Nov-18-11 03:18 PM |
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I'm in complete agreement |
Euromutt |
Nov-21-11 06:34 AM |
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well, maybe not in the US |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 11:26 AM |
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Would this... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-21-11 12:35 PM |
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well to start with |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 02:48 PM |
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None of the above |
DissedByBush |
Nov-19-11 09:12 PM |
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Self defense is a right. |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-19-11 10:02 PM |
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That's your opinion |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-21-11 11:07 AM |
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Those are my shortcomings... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-21-11 12:04 PM |
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Not shortcomings... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-21-11 01:35 PM |
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No borderline about it... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-22-11 10:49 PM |
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