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Thu Nov-24-11 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #20 |
| 175. Constitutional Right? |
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To carry a gun in a school?
To carry a gun in a bar?
To carry a gun in a church?
To carry a gun in my business?
To carry a gun on public transportation?
No thanks. No such right exists.
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| -Happy 140th Birthday, NRA! |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 01:42 PM |
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You must feel very proud |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 01:48 PM |
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What is your problem with the NRA? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 01:54 PM |
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No, just the fact that they distort the 2nd Amendment. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 02:15 PM |
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Funny thing is... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 02:27 PM |
#13 |
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I don't ignore anything |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 03:09 PM |
#16 |
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What I've picked... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 03:12 PM |
#17 |
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"I also fail to see where the NRA has distorted the 2nd Amendment." |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 03:30 PM |
#23 |
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No, I don't know it. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 04:00 PM |
#33 |
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I've got news for you. We are not in the 18th century. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 05:04 PM |
#38 |
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No we arent |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 05:23 PM |
#40 |
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Open mouth, insert foot. |
beevul |
Nov-17-11 10:13 PM |
#63 |
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And what is it that you think I want to see accomplished? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 10:46 PM |
#68 |
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What ? |
beevul |
Nov-18-11 06:34 AM |
#80 |
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OK, let me enlighten you, as your ESP failed |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 06:52 PM |
#97 |
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"Yes, the line has to be drawn somewhere." |
PavePusher |
Nov-18-11 10:20 PM |
#108 |
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"I would prefer CC permits be issued based on demonstrable need." |
PavePusher |
Nov-18-11 10:21 PM |
#109 |
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CC permit is not a civil right |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-19-11 04:34 AM |
#115 |
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"keep and bear arms" is a Civil Right. |
PavePusher |
Nov-19-11 09:16 AM |
#120 |
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It is a Constitutional Right. For now. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-19-11 10:59 PM |
#142 |
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Are you saying CC permits are unconstitutional? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-20-11 02:44 PM |
#151 |
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Yes. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-22-11 11:12 AM |
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Typical. |
beevul |
Nov-19-11 06:42 AM |
#117 |
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You are funny! |
Callisto32 |
Nov-19-11 11:07 AM |
#124 |
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If the NRA is so in bed with the GOP, why do they support Harry Reid? |
Lurks Often |
Nov-17-11 06:51 PM |
#51 |
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There are many who support 2A who despise the NRA |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 06:58 PM |
#54 |
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You did see when it stated that Sen Reid voted against |
Lurks Often |
Nov-18-11 10:22 AM |
#85 |
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Yes and your point is? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 04:09 PM |
#91 |
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The point you keep trying to ignore |
Lurks Often |
Nov-19-11 06:50 PM |
#137 |
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I don't ignore it. I point it out and it disgusts me. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-19-11 10:53 PM |
#140 |
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Then your post above is incorrect |
Lurks Often |
Nov-20-11 12:42 PM |
#147 |
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You are correct. The opinion of SCOTUS counts. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-20-11 01:02 PM |
#148 |
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Yawn. I can see that you are so deep into your incorrect, misinformed, |
Lurks Often |
Nov-20-11 07:21 PM |
#153 |
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They proudly and far-disproportionally support Republicans. As do most gun folks. (NT) |
Tesha |
Nov-17-11 05:19 PM |
#39 |
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All NRA members are members of the militia? |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Nov-24-11 08:07 PM |
#174 |
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militia membership is irrelevant |
gejohnston |
Nov-24-11 09:39 PM |
#177 |
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And the "troops under their command" were Union or Confederate? nt |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 01:56 PM |
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I have no idea what your point is |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 03:32 PM |
#25 |
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Seems like the NRA was on the right side of the Civil War. Disagree? nt |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 04:30 PM |
#35 |
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The NRA was on the right side until 1980 |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 05:33 PM |
#42 |
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Faustian deals: Most here do not make them, correct? nt |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 05:59 PM |
#47 |
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Correct. Most do not support the NRA |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 06:47 PM |
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I do indeed. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 03:27 PM |
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Lets say HB to all lobbyists that bribe Congress to society's detriment -- oil, banks, guns, etc. |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 01:51 PM |
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long as you remember to include... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 01:55 PM |
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But those aren't "detrimental" unless one is a right winger. I know you guys wouldn't want to |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 02:06 PM |
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The point, which you missed as usual |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 02:25 PM |
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I guess the fact that the NRA endorses 3 right wingers for every Democrat is good for society. |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 02:52 PM |
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They endorse pro-gun candidates |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 02:53 PM |
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Democrats could change that OVERNIGHT. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 03:25 PM |
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I hope Democrats don't do that. I doubt most will. |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 03:33 PM |
#26 |
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NRA-PVF Endorsement Policy |
burf |
Nov-17-11 03:44 PM |
#30 |
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oh, it helps soooo much |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 07:45 PM |
#58 |
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Typical |
burf |
Nov-17-11 09:26 PM |
#60 |
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You've never worked for a PAC or Lobby organization if you believe that BS policy. |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 09:36 PM |
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Folks like you CREATED the modern NRA, Hoyt. You |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-18-11 07:14 PM |
#100 |
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Glad to help you guys tote without concern for society. Maybe they just don't want to hear you whine |
Hoyt |
Nov-18-11 10:33 PM |
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And maybe a lot of other folks don't want to hear you whine |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-19-11 03:23 AM |
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Thanks. Can't be put any more simply than that. n/t |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 10:42 PM |
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See NRA last minute |
safeinOhio |
Nov-18-11 02:49 AM |
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I'll take that. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-18-11 08:20 AM |
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Excellent description of how they play games to advance their political agenda and fool members. |
Hoyt |
Nov-18-11 04:19 PM |
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Then Democrats need to step up and give us an alternative to the NRA |
hack89 |
Nov-18-11 06:27 PM |
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Sorry, I will not bow to the almighty NRA and their gun toting members, mostly TBaggers. |
Hoyt |
Nov-18-11 10:35 PM |
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We wouldn't expect you to bow to the NRA, Hoyt. |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-19-11 03:27 AM |
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I would hope not - the NRA needs people like you in order to grow. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 07:35 AM |
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Just what we need, more TBag toters. |
Hoyt |
Nov-19-11 12:13 PM |
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Just remember you bear some of the responsibility for their increase in numbers. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 01:29 PM |
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No, people who can't live without guns are responsible. As are right wingers who pander to them. |
Hoyt |
Nov-19-11 03:08 PM |
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Nov-19-11 03:30 PM |
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They probably would use devious tactics to fool those who'll pay dues to anything related to guns. |
Hoyt |
Nov-19-11 03:32 PM |
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No more devious than the Brady bunch. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 03:33 PM |
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At least they aren't for the proliferation of guns. |
Hoyt |
Nov-19-11 03:45 PM |
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They just stand for the restriction of civil rights. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 04:22 PM |
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And what is the harm in that? |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 04:24 PM |
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Can you please get your story straight once in a while? |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-19-11 08:03 PM |
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Wow, are you naive! |
Logical |
Nov-17-11 11:01 PM |
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Constitutional Right? |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Nov-24-11 08:14 PM |
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I don't believe you understand the concept of a right |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 08:21 AM |
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somehow, I doubt that 2A would be in jeopardy without rightwingers -- |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-17-11 03:32 PM |
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And a whole lot more that don't, particularly when we are talking about toting guns in public. |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 03:34 PM |
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you are entitled to opinion, of course. I reiterate that there are |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Nov-17-11 03:43 PM |
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Your true colors are blinding us |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 02:17 PM |
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I am pointing out... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 02:26 PM |
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that's just too funny |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 07:01 PM |
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Formed to help us kill our fellow man more efficiently... |
rfranklin |
Nov-17-11 01:57 PM |
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Sometimes it is necessary to kill others. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 06:04 PM |
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You are naive... |
rfranklin |
Nov-17-11 07:05 PM |
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No my friend it is you who is naive. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-18-11 03:19 PM |
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So True |
fightthegoodfightnow |
Nov-24-11 08:03 PM |
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Gun accidents continue to climb |
RSillsbee |
Nov-24-11 08:05 PM |
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safer than many countries |
gejohnston |
Nov-24-11 09:37 PM |
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You have any actual proof of any of those claims? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-25-11 08:26 AM |
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It used to be a decent organization |
sharp_stick |
Nov-17-11 01:58 PM |
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The NRA should not be celebrated. A bunch of right wing nuts. |
Logical |
Nov-17-11 03:16 PM |
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The NRA endorses Democrats.. |
Upton |
Nov-17-11 03:24 PM |
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Give it a rest. Name one they have had as a keynote speaker. Also.... |
Logical |
Nov-17-11 03:46 PM |
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A keynote speaker? |
Upton |
Nov-17-11 03:55 PM |
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Want to move those goal posts again? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 04:09 PM |
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Nice try! |
Logical |
Nov-17-11 10:59 PM |
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They pander to the majority of their supporters, who happen to be right-wing. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 10:40 PM |
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In the last election, the NRA gave all my Democratic candiates except one high marks. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 03:26 PM |
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Interesting to see how little support you're getting here |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 03:43 PM |
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Most people fear what they do not understand....nt |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 04:39 PM |
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I think most people here do understand what the NRA has become |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 05:36 PM |
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I understand guns. But I fear them in the hands of the type of person... |
Walk away |
Nov-19-11 10:31 AM |
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Count me as a supporter. As has been pointed out in this thread |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-17-11 05:27 PM |
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A single issue? LOL |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 05:41 PM |
#44 |
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Yep, firearms freedom is their single issue. Is there another |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-17-11 05:50 PM |
#45 |
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Yes! Making sure anyone who opposes their agenda doesn't get elected |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 06:51 PM |
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So you'd best not cross the NRA and shoot yourself in the foot, then. n/t |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 10:36 PM |
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I take that as a "no" you cannot offer up an issue that the NRA |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-18-11 12:21 AM |
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endorsing candidates |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 09:37 AM |
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Well that IS kinda what they exist to do... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-22-11 09:07 AM |
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Simple |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 05:55 PM |
#46 |
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How did it go from improving marksmanship with rifles... |
beevul |
Nov-17-11 10:21 PM |
#64 |
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And so the pendulum swings |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 10:49 PM |
#69 |
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Yes, but it would be helful if you understood which direction it swings... |
beevul |
Nov-18-11 06:18 AM |
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Look at the bottom right |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 06:58 PM |
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And? |
beevul |
Nov-19-11 06:24 AM |
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Who am "us," anyway? |
Straw Man |
Nov-17-11 11:00 PM |
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It is nice when prohibitionists are honest for the rare occasion isn't it? Of course, it |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-18-11 12:24 AM |
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"Us" would be those who are not compulsive toters. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 04:02 PM |
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Compulsive toters = those who recognize that assault doesn't only happen at home. |
Straw Man |
Nov-18-11 05:05 PM |
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Compulsive toting = Irrational behavior |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 07:37 PM |
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You're trying to have it both ways again. |
Straw Man |
Nov-18-11 09:52 PM |
#106 |
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I'm not trying to have it any way |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-19-11 03:55 PM |
#134 |
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More double-talk. |
Straw Man |
Nov-19-11 11:23 PM |
#143 |
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Why an AWB? |
hack89 |
Nov-19-11 07:37 AM |
#119 |
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Oh, well lets just ban "crime weapons" then |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-20-11 12:27 PM |
#145 |
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No - lets fix real problems |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:25 PM |
#154 |
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How much is significant? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-21-11 09:52 PM |
#155 |
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Certainly less than a hundred - possibly much fewer. |
hack89 |
Nov-22-11 09:28 AM |
#164 |
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Thanks for the info. That's good. So all we have to worry about is handguns. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-23-11 12:22 PM |
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Where does you belief in the right to own a gun originate? N/T |
Marengo |
Nov-22-11 08:07 AM |
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The simple fact that I am a free man. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-22-11 09:37 AM |
#165 |
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I belong to the NRA. I am also a lifelong Democrat. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-18-11 06:29 PM |
#95 |
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Good for you. I'm sure you're not alone. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 07:40 PM |
#103 |
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No need to - paranoia seems to be your problem not mine. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-18-11 08:40 PM |
#105 |
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He's doing that "dire muttering" thing again. |
Straw Man |
Nov-18-11 11:23 PM |
#112 |
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No paranoia here, thank you. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-19-11 10:56 PM |
#141 |
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No - you just give them reasons to exist and grow |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 09:44 AM |
#144 |
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And knowing that you continue to support it. Bravo! |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-20-11 12:35 PM |
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Only until the Democrats get smart. nt |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 01:16 PM |
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So the Democrats are not smart? Is that what you're saying? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-20-11 02:38 PM |
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They are stupid as hell when it comes to gun control |
hack89 |
Nov-20-11 07:19 PM |
#152 |
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Am I to assume you are not a Democrat? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-21-11 09:56 PM |
#156 |
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I do think he is thinking of Democratic politicians |
gejohnston |
Nov-21-11 10:16 PM |
#157 |
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You should assume no such thing. |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-21-11 10:18 PM |
#158 |
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Hey, it's a big tent. I'm just asking based on his statements. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-22-11 12:33 AM |
#160 |
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"If there truly were "empirical evidence" on gun issues, |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-22-11 08:41 PM |
#168 |
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Staunch Democrat - very active in local politics |
hack89 |
Nov-22-11 10:11 AM |
#166 |
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OK fair enough, but I think we can honestly differ without calling each other stupid. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-23-11 12:27 PM |
#170 |
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"What other right wing organizations should we embrace?" |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-21-11 10:21 PM |
#159 |
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I joined the NRA and CRPA a few years ago largely |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-17-11 04:43 PM |
#37 |
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I hear ya. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-17-11 06:00 PM |
#48 |
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so |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 07:43 PM |
#57 |
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let me correct that for you |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 08:34 PM |
#59 |
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er, I didn't join the NRA |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 10:55 PM |
#70 |
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OK fine, you know what I meant |
gejohnston |
Nov-18-11 10:19 PM |
#107 |
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Ooo, this will be intersting |
krispos42 |
Nov-17-11 06:53 PM |
#53 |
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oh, you left a bit out, dincha? |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 07:40 PM |
#56 |
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Wayne LaPierre is nuts. |
BiggJawn |
Nov-17-11 10:10 PM |
#62 |
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you're the third person I've heard say that week |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 10:58 PM |
#71 |
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Because the shooting ranges get a bunch of benefits |
burf |
Nov-18-11 06:35 AM |
#81 |
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Yes, it's probably the insurance. |
BiggJawn |
Nov-18-11 06:46 AM |
#82 |
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It's your conscience. You have options. You don't have to hold your nose. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 07:51 PM |
#104 |
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As a member of the NRA, I'm grateful for their defense of the 2nd amendment. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-17-11 11:10 PM |
#75 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-18-11 02:57 PM |
#86 |
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The NRA supports plenty of Democrats. |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-18-11 03:04 PM |
#87 |
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I vote solid D, thank you. The NRA is a one issue org, but I am not. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-18-11 03:14 PM |
#88 |
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And every D in every election is in line with your issues? |
Callisto32 |
Nov-19-11 11:14 AM |
#125 |
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I'm not sure what you're getting at so I'll assume it was a well intentioned question. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-19-11 12:00 PM |
#126 |
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I have voted for plenty of NRA endorsed Democrats. |
hack89 |
Nov-18-11 06:30 PM |
#96 |
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Thanks for waving the white flag of surrender so conspicuously. |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-18-11 07:22 PM |
#101 |
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The Figure Last Election Was 45%. |
Paladin |
Nov-19-11 10:06 AM |
#121 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-19-11 10:36 AM |
#123 |
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Be happy to meditate on it for a while if you can produce |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-19-11 08:06 PM |
#139 |
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You were asked five days ago for a link to this purported 'poll'. Where is it? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Nov-23-11 07:31 PM |
#171 |
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HBD NRA |
ileus |
Nov-22-11 08:42 AM |
#162 |
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