You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #7: It used to be a decent organization [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns Donate to DU
sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
7. It used to be a decent organization
Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 01:59 PM by sharp_stick
until LaPierre and the rest of the administration turned it into a de facto fund raising arm of the Republican Party. I belonged to it for years.

Now the NRA ranks right up there with the Family Research Council and American Crossroads.... great company to keep.

on edit: it's not even a de facto fund raising arm it's a straight up fund raising arm of the Republican Party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
  -Happy 140th Birthday, NRA! Atypical Liberal  Nov-17-11 01:42 PM   #0 
  - You must feel very proud  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 01:48 PM   #1 
  - What is your problem with the NRA?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 01:54 PM   #3 
  - No, just the fact that they distort the 2nd Amendment.  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 02:15 PM   #9 
  - Funny thing is...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 02:27 PM   #13 
     - I don't ignore anything  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 03:09 PM   #16 
        - What I've picked...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 03:12 PM   #17 
        - "I also fail to see where the NRA has distorted the 2nd Amendment."  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 03:30 PM   #23 
           - No, I don't know it.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 04:00 PM   #33 
              - I've got news for you. We are not in the 18th century.  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 05:04 PM   #38 
                 - No we arent  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 05:23 PM   #40 
                 - Open mouth, insert foot.  beevul   Nov-17-11 10:13 PM   #63 
                    - And what is it that you think I want to see accomplished?  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 10:46 PM   #68 
                       - What ?  beevul   Nov-18-11 06:34 AM   #80 
                       - OK, let me enlighten you, as your ESP failed  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 06:52 PM   #97 
                          - "Yes, the line has to be drawn somewhere."  PavePusher   Nov-18-11 10:20 PM   #108 
                          - "I would prefer CC permits be issued based on demonstrable need."  PavePusher   Nov-18-11 10:21 PM   #109 
                          - CC permit is not a civil right  Starboard Tack   Nov-19-11 04:34 AM   #115 
                             - "keep and bear arms" is a Civil Right.  PavePusher   Nov-19-11 09:16 AM   #120 
                                - It is a Constitutional Right. For now.  Starboard Tack   Nov-19-11 10:59 PM   #142 
                                - Are you saying CC permits are unconstitutional?  Starboard Tack   Nov-20-11 02:44 PM   #151 
                                   - Yes.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-22-11 11:12 AM   #167 
                          - Typical.  beevul   Nov-19-11 06:42 AM   #117 
                       - You are funny!  Callisto32   Nov-19-11 11:07 AM   #124 
        - If the NRA is so in bed with the GOP, why do they support Harry Reid?  Lurks Often   Nov-17-11 06:51 PM   #51 
           - There are many who support 2A who despise the NRA  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 06:58 PM   #54 
              - You did see when it stated that Sen Reid voted against  Lurks Often   Nov-18-11 10:22 AM   #85 
                 - Yes and your point is?  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 04:09 PM   #91 
                    - The point you keep trying to ignore  Lurks Often   Nov-19-11 06:50 PM   #137 
                       - I don't ignore it. I point it out and it disgusts me.  Starboard Tack   Nov-19-11 10:53 PM   #140 
                          - Then your post above is incorrect  Lurks Often   Nov-20-11 12:42 PM   #147 
                             - You are correct. The opinion of SCOTUS counts.  Starboard Tack   Nov-20-11 01:02 PM   #148 
                                - Yawn. I can see that you are so deep into your incorrect, misinformed,  Lurks Often   Nov-20-11 07:21 PM   #153 
  - They proudly and far-disproportionally support Republicans. As do most gun folks. (NT)  Tesha   Nov-17-11 05:19 PM   #39 
  - All NRA members are members of the militia?  fightthegoodfightnow   Nov-24-11 08:07 PM   #174 
     - militia membership is irrelevant  gejohnston   Nov-24-11 09:39 PM   #177 
  - And the "troops under their command" were Union or Confederate? nt  SteveM   Nov-17-11 01:56 PM   #5 
  - I have no idea what your point is  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 03:32 PM   #25 
     - Seems like the NRA was on the right side of the Civil War. Disagree? nt  SteveM   Nov-17-11 04:30 PM   #35 
        - The NRA was on the right side until 1980  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 05:33 PM   #42 
           - Faustian deals: Most here do not make them, correct? nt  SteveM   Nov-17-11 05:59 PM   #47 
              - Correct. Most do not support the NRA  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 06:47 PM   #50 
  - I do indeed.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 03:27 PM   #22 
  - Lets say HB to all lobbyists that bribe Congress to society's detriment -- oil, banks, guns, etc.  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 01:51 PM   #2 
  - long as you remember to include...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 01:55 PM   #4 
     - But those aren't "detrimental" unless one is a right winger. I know you guys wouldn't want to  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 02:06 PM   #8 
     - The point, which you missed as usual  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 02:25 PM   #11 
     - I guess the fact that the NRA endorses 3 right wingers for every Democrat is good for society.  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 02:52 PM   #14 
        - They endorse pro-gun candidates  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 02:53 PM   #15 
        - Democrats could change that OVERNIGHT.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 03:25 PM   #20 
           - I hope Democrats don't do that. I doubt most will.  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 03:33 PM   #26 
           - NRA-PVF Endorsement Policy  burf   Nov-17-11 03:44 PM   #30 
              - oh, it helps soooo much  iverglas   Nov-17-11 07:45 PM   #58 
              - Typical  burf   Nov-17-11 09:26 PM   #60 
              - You've never worked for a PAC or Lobby organization if you believe that BS policy.  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 09:36 PM   #61 
              - Folks like you CREATED the modern NRA, Hoyt. You  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-18-11 07:14 PM   #100 
                 - Glad to help you guys tote without concern for society. Maybe they just don't want to hear you whine  Hoyt   Nov-18-11 10:33 PM   #110 
                    - And maybe a lot of other folks don't want to hear you whine  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-19-11 03:23 AM   #113 
              - Thanks. Can't be put any more simply than that. n/t  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 10:42 PM   #67 
              - See NRA last minute  safeinOhio   Nov-18-11 02:49 AM   #78 
                 - I'll take that.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-18-11 08:20 AM   #83 
                 - Excellent description of how they play games to advance their political agenda and fool members.  Hoyt   Nov-18-11 04:19 PM   #92 
                 - Then Democrats need to step up and give us an alternative to the NRA  hack89   Nov-18-11 06:27 PM   #94 
                    - Sorry, I will not bow to the almighty NRA and their gun toting members, mostly TBaggers.  Hoyt   Nov-18-11 10:35 PM   #111 
                       - We wouldn't expect you to bow to the NRA, Hoyt.  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-19-11 03:27 AM   #114 
                       - I would hope not - the NRA needs people like you in order to grow. nt  hack89   Nov-19-11 07:35 AM   #118 
                          - Just what we need, more TBag toters.  Hoyt   Nov-19-11 12:13 PM   #127 
                             - Just remember you bear some of the responsibility for their increase in numbers. nt  hack89   Nov-19-11 01:29 PM   #128 
                                - No, people who can't live without guns are responsible. As are right wingers who pander to them.  Hoyt   Nov-19-11 03:08 PM   #129 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-19-11 03:30 PM   #130 
                                   - They probably would use devious tactics to fool those who'll pay dues to anything related to guns.  Hoyt   Nov-19-11 03:32 PM   #131 
                                      - No more devious than the Brady bunch. nt  hack89   Nov-19-11 03:33 PM   #132 
                                         - At least they aren't for the proliferation of guns.  Hoyt   Nov-19-11 03:45 PM   #133 
                                         - They just stand for the restriction of civil rights. nt  hack89   Nov-19-11 04:22 PM   #135 
                                         - And what is the harm in that?  hack89   Nov-19-11 04:24 PM   #136 
                                   - Can you please get your story straight once in a while?  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-19-11 08:03 PM   #138 
           - Wow, are you naive!  Logical   Nov-17-11 11:01 PM   #74 
           - Constitutional Right?  fightthegoodfightnow   Nov-24-11 08:14 PM   #175 
              - I don't believe you understand the concept of a right  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 08:21 AM   #178 
     - somehow, I doubt that 2A would be in jeopardy without rightwingers --  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-17-11 03:32 PM   #24 
        - And a whole lot more that don't, particularly when we are talking about toting guns in public.  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 03:34 PM   #27 
           - you are entitled to opinion, of course. I reiterate that there are  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-17-11 03:43 PM   #28 
     - Your true colors are blinding us  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 02:17 PM   #10 
        - I am pointing out...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 02:26 PM   #12 
           - that's just too funny  iverglas   Nov-18-11 07:01 PM   #99 
  - Formed to help us kill our fellow man more efficiently...  rfranklin   Nov-17-11 01:57 PM   #6 
  - Sometimes it is necessary to kill others.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 06:04 PM   #49 
  - You are naive...  rfranklin   Nov-17-11 07:05 PM   #55 
     - No my friend it is you who is naive.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-18-11 03:19 PM   #89 
  - So True  fightthegoodfightnow   Nov-24-11 08:03 PM   #172 
     - Gun accidents continue to climb  RSillsbee   Nov-24-11 08:05 PM   #173 
     - safer than many countries  gejohnston   Nov-24-11 09:37 PM   #176 
     - You have any actual proof of any of those claims?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-25-11 08:26 AM   #179 
  - It used to be a decent organization  sharp_stick   Nov-17-11 01:58 PM   #7 
  - The NRA should not be celebrated. A bunch of right wing nuts.  Logical   Nov-17-11 03:16 PM   #18 
  - The NRA endorses Democrats..  Upton   Nov-17-11 03:24 PM   #19 
  - Give it a rest. Name one they have had as a keynote speaker. Also....  Logical   Nov-17-11 03:46 PM   #31 
     - A keynote speaker?  Upton   Nov-17-11 03:55 PM   #32 
     - Want to move those goal posts again?  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 04:09 PM   #34 
     - Nice try!  Logical   Nov-17-11 10:59 PM   #72 
     - They pander to the majority of their supporters, who happen to be right-wing.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 10:40 PM   #66 
  - In the last election, the NRA gave all my Democratic candiates except one high marks.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 03:26 PM   #21 
     - Interesting to see how little support you're getting here  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 03:43 PM   #29 
        - Most people fear what they do not understand....nt  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 04:39 PM   #36 
        - I think most people here do understand what the NRA has become  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 05:36 PM   #43 
        - I understand guns. But I fear them in the hands of the type of person...  Walk away   Nov-19-11 10:31 AM   #122 
        - Count me as a supporter. As has been pointed out in this thread  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-11 05:27 PM   #41 
        - A single issue? LOL  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 05:41 PM   #44 
           - Yep, firearms freedom is their single issue. Is there another  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-11 05:50 PM   #45 
           - Yes! Making sure anyone who opposes their agenda doesn't get elected  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 06:51 PM   #52 
              - So you'd best not cross the NRA and shoot yourself in the foot, then. n/t  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 10:36 PM   #65 
              - I take that as a "no" you cannot offer up an issue that the NRA  Hoopla Phil   Nov-18-11 12:21 AM   #76 
              - endorsing candidates  iverglas   Nov-18-11 09:37 AM   #84 
              - Well that IS kinda what they exist to do...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-22-11 09:07 AM   #163 
           - Simple  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 05:55 PM   #46 
           - How did it go from improving marksmanship with rifles...  beevul   Nov-17-11 10:21 PM   #64 
              - And so the pendulum swings  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 10:49 PM   #69 
                 - Yes, but it would be helful if you understood which direction it swings...  beevul   Nov-18-11 06:18 AM   #79 
                    - Look at the bottom right  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 06:58 PM   #98 
                       - And?  beevul   Nov-19-11 06:24 AM   #116 
        - Who am "us," anyway?  Straw Man   Nov-17-11 11:00 PM   #73 
        - It is nice when prohibitionists are honest for the rare occasion isn't it? Of course, it  Hoopla Phil   Nov-18-11 12:24 AM   #77 
        - "Us" would be those who are not compulsive toters.  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 04:02 PM   #90 
           - Compulsive toters = those who recognize that assault doesn't only happen at home.  Straw Man   Nov-18-11 05:05 PM   #93 
           - Compulsive toting = Irrational behavior  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 07:37 PM   #102 
              - You're trying to have it both ways again.  Straw Man   Nov-18-11 09:52 PM   #106 
              - I'm not trying to have it any way  Starboard Tack   Nov-19-11 03:55 PM   #134 
                 - More double-talk.  Straw Man   Nov-19-11 11:23 PM   #143 
              - Why an AWB?  hack89   Nov-19-11 07:37 AM   #119 
                 - Oh, well lets just ban "crime weapons" then  Starboard Tack   Nov-20-11 12:27 PM   #145 
                    - No - lets fix real problems  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:25 PM   #154 
                       - How much is significant?  Starboard Tack   Nov-21-11 09:52 PM   #155 
                          - Certainly less than a hundred - possibly much fewer.  hack89   Nov-22-11 09:28 AM   #164 
                             - Thanks for the info. That's good. So all we have to worry about is handguns.  Starboard Tack   Nov-23-11 12:22 PM   #169 
           - Where does you belief in the right to own a gun originate? N/T  Marengo   Nov-22-11 08:07 AM   #161 
              - The simple fact that I am a free man.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-22-11 09:37 AM   #165 
        - I belong to the NRA. I am also a lifelong Democrat. nt  hack89   Nov-18-11 06:29 PM   #95 
           - Good for you. I'm sure you're not alone.  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 07:40 PM   #103 
              - No need to - paranoia seems to be your problem not mine. nt  hack89   Nov-18-11 08:40 PM   #105 
                 - He's doing that "dire muttering" thing again.  Straw Man   Nov-18-11 11:23 PM   #112 
                 - No paranoia here, thank you.  Starboard Tack   Nov-19-11 10:56 PM   #141 
                    - No - you just give them reasons to exist and grow  hack89   Nov-20-11 09:44 AM   #144 
                       - And knowing that you continue to support it. Bravo!  Starboard Tack   Nov-20-11 12:35 PM   #146 
                          - Only until the Democrats get smart. nt  hack89   Nov-20-11 01:16 PM   #149 
                             - So the Democrats are not smart? Is that what you're saying?  Starboard Tack   Nov-20-11 02:38 PM   #150 
                                - They are stupid as hell when it comes to gun control  hack89   Nov-20-11 07:19 PM   #152 
                                - Am I to assume you are not a Democrat?  Starboard Tack   Nov-21-11 09:56 PM   #156 
                                   - I do think he is thinking of Democratic politicians  gejohnston   Nov-21-11 10:16 PM   #157 
                                   - You should assume no such thing.  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-21-11 10:18 PM   #158 
                                   - Hey, it's a big tent. I'm just asking based on his statements.  Starboard Tack   Nov-22-11 12:33 AM   #160 
                                      - "If there truly were "empirical evidence" on gun issues,  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-22-11 08:41 PM   #168 
                                   - Staunch Democrat - very active in local politics  hack89   Nov-22-11 10:11 AM   #166 
                                      - OK fair enough, but I think we can honestly differ without calling each other stupid.  Starboard Tack   Nov-23-11 12:27 PM   #170 
                                - "What other right wing organizations should we embrace?"  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-21-11 10:21 PM   #159 
  - I joined the NRA and CRPA a few years ago largely  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-17-11 04:43 PM   #37 
  - I hear ya.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-17-11 06:00 PM   #48 
  - so  iverglas   Nov-17-11 07:43 PM   #57 
     - let me correct that for you  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 08:34 PM   #59 
        - er, I didn't join the NRA  iverglas   Nov-17-11 10:55 PM   #70 
           - OK fine, you know what I meant  gejohnston   Nov-18-11 10:19 PM   #107 
  - Ooo, this will be intersting  krispos42   Nov-17-11 06:53 PM   #53 
  - oh, you left a bit out, dincha?  iverglas   Nov-17-11 07:40 PM   #56 
  - Wayne LaPierre is nuts.  BiggJawn   Nov-17-11 10:10 PM   #62 
  - you're the third person I've heard say that week  iverglas   Nov-17-11 10:58 PM   #71 
     - Because the shooting ranges get a bunch of benefits  burf   Nov-18-11 06:35 AM   #81 
        - Yes, it's probably the insurance.  BiggJawn   Nov-18-11 06:46 AM   #82 
           - It's your conscience. You have options. You don't have to hold your nose.  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 07:51 PM   #104 
  - As a member of the NRA, I'm grateful for their defense of the 2nd amendment.  aikoaiko   Nov-17-11 11:10 PM   #75 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-18-11 02:57 PM   #86 
     - The NRA supports plenty of Democrats.  Atypical Liberal   Nov-18-11 03:04 PM   #87 
     - I vote solid D, thank you. The NRA is a one issue org, but I am not.  aikoaiko   Nov-18-11 03:14 PM   #88 
     - And every D in every election is in line with your issues?  Callisto32   Nov-19-11 11:14 AM   #125 
        - I'm not sure what you're getting at so I'll assume it was a well intentioned question.  aikoaiko   Nov-19-11 12:00 PM   #126 
     - I have voted for plenty of NRA endorsed Democrats.  hack89   Nov-18-11 06:30 PM   #96 
     - Thanks for waving the white flag of surrender so conspicuously.  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-18-11 07:22 PM   #101 
        - The Figure Last Election Was 45%.  Paladin   Nov-19-11 10:06 AM   #121 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-19-11 10:36 AM   #123 
           - Be happy to meditate on it for a while if you can produce  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-19-11 08:06 PM   #139 
           - You were asked five days ago for a link to this purported 'poll'. Where is it?  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-23-11 07:31 PM   #171 
  - HBD NRA  ileus   Nov-22-11 08:42 AM   #162 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC