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67. Ohio law
Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 08:25 AM by one-eyed fat man
The Ohio legislature intended to restrict the dissemination of gun owners names. It only made the information accessible to Law Enforcement and to newspapers. It was not publicly available to any curious busy body or loon looking for his ex-wife.

Again the similarity to driver's licensing information. If you are a cop, you often field questions from acquaintances asking you to "run a license plate." That's a good way to get fired.

Driver's info in some states was readily available as public record. That changed when after a number of highly publicized murders were attributed to stalkers using DMV records to determine home addresses of their victims.

The Drivers Privacy Protection Act (DPPA), Public Law No. 103-322 codified as amended by Public Law 106-69, was originally enacted in 1994 to protect the privacy of personal information assembled by State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMVs).

The DPPA was passed in reaction to the a series of abuses of drivers' personal information held by government. The 1989 death of actress Rebecca Schaeffer was a prominent example of such abuse. In that case, a private investigator, hired by an obsessed fan, was able to obtain Rebecca Schaeffer's address through her California motor vehicle record. The fan used her address information to stalk and to kill her. Other incidents cited by Congress included a ring of Iowa home robbers who targeted victims by writing down the license plates of expensive cars and obtaining home address information from the State's department of motor vehicles.
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The DPPA survived a Constitutional challenge in Reno v. Condon, 528 U.S. 141 (2000). In that case, the state of South Carolina challenged the DPPA arguing that the Act violated principles of federalism. The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act as a proper exercise of Congress' authority to regulate interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause. EPIC filed an amicus brief in that case that argued in part:

The Drivers Privacy Protection Act safeguards the personal information of licensed drivers from improper use or disclosure. It is a valid exercise of federal authority in that it seeks to protect a fundamental privacy interest. It restricts the activities of states only to the extent that it concerns the subsequent use or disclosure of the information in a manner unrelated to the original purpose for which the personal information was collected. The states should not impermissibly burden the right to travel by first compelling the collection of sensitive personal information and then subsequently disclosing the same information for unrelated purposes.


As for the news media, any legitimate purpose they might have would served by releasing the numbers of permit holders by city, county, zip code, age, sex, etc without naming names or listing addresses.

The newspaper editorialized against the concealed carry law. The law passed. The paper outed permit holders. Certainly to point was to punish or stigmatize, or why out them by name? You can see plenty of evidence right here by those who argue publishing the names of "slimy, evil, gun permit holders" is like listing the names and addresses of sex offenders....in the name of public safety.

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  -Report: Gun Group Targeted Journalist And His 12-Year-Old Daughter NNN0LHI  Nov-16-11 01:13 PM   #0 
  - putting the 'nuts' in gun nuts. nt  abelenkpe   Nov-16-11 01:19 PM   #1 
  - Gun terrorist organizations.  Gold Metal Flake   Nov-16-11 01:29 PM   #2 
     - No grounds on which part?  MattBaggins   Nov-16-11 01:41 PM   #5 
     - From the newspaper:  Remmah2   Nov-16-11 07:02 PM   #53 
     - Really?  abelenkpe   Nov-16-11 02:09 PM   #8 
     - Of course death threats are grounds for action, but only against whoever made them  Euromutt   Nov-17-11 04:04 AM   #64 
     - "Gun nuts" is a casual smear used by anti-2A people around here. nt  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:21 PM   #31 
     - I wonder why the moderators no longer delete "gun nuts" as a vulgar slur?  Remmah2   Nov-16-11 06:47 PM   #49 
     - An interesting question. I wonder what other vulgar slurs are acceptable  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-11 01:03 PM   #85 
     - Does that mean the term "hoplophobe" is acceptable now as well?  cleanhippie   Nov-18-11 07:34 PM   #146 
        - How about Hoplophile, which by the way, was my original username.  Hoopla Phil   Nov-18-11 10:27 PM   #153 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 04:52 PM   #210 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 06:45 PM   #211 
     - Perhaps you could pose your musings here  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-11 01:08 PM   #86 
     - Actually, HP - it doesn't look like you can.  Simo 1939_1940   Nov-18-11 07:41 PM   #149 
        - Bummer. Of course, you CAN put forth your own question should  Hoopla Phil   Nov-18-11 10:23 PM   #152 
     - When some anti-2A folks deemed this forum "extreme." nt  SteveM   Nov-17-11 02:57 PM   #94 
     - By what standards is it a vulgar slur?  DanTex   Nov-17-11 03:14 PM   #96 
     - See here.  oneshooter   Nov-17-11 03:38 PM   #100 
        - This is a definite policy change. Previously the term was treated as any other vulgar term  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-11 05:41 PM   #115 
     - Would you mind voicing your opinion here?  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-11 01:09 PM   #87 
     - Really? You'd better let the Gun Nuts know that  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 02:04 PM   #91 
     - I know some black folks who use the term "N.....  SteveM   Nov-17-11 03:05 PM   #95 
        - Exactly! You can call yourselves "gun nuts"  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 03:15 PM   #97 
           - Who here has used "gun nuts," other than to call anti-2A folks' hands?  SteveM   Nov-17-11 04:44 PM   #107 
              - Excuse me! "Don't use the term." Are you making the rules now?  Starboard Tack   Nov-17-11 05:23 PM   #112 
              - You are not excused! Don't be so whiney and overly sweaty...  SteveM   Nov-17-11 06:11 PM   #118 
              - This is a privately owned forum; your First Amendment rights don't apply  Euromutt   Nov-18-11 05:31 AM   #126 
              - I am aware of the rules. But you knew that  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 04:07 PM   #135 
                 - It wasn't evident from what you said  Euromutt   Nov-19-11 03:59 AM   #158 
              - Are you familiar with the term hoplophobe?  cleanhippie   Nov-18-11 07:37 PM   #148 
                 - Why do you ask? Are you a hoplophobe?  Starboard Tack   Nov-18-11 08:10 PM   #150 
              - In a sense, you *do* mean "NWA"  Euromutt   Nov-19-11 05:30 AM   #161 
     - I would call it a "smear," exactly  Euromutt   Nov-19-11 05:26 AM   #160 
        - Damn, but you're smart.  Starboard Tack   Nov-20-11 12:57 PM   #184 
     - That "organized information dissemination apparatus" is called "the internet"  Euromutt   Nov-19-11 03:16 AM   #157 
  - While I don't agree with the tactics of the Buckeye Firearms Association ...  spin   Nov-16-11 01:33 PM   #3 
  - A couple of questions.  madinmaryland   Nov-16-11 01:52 PM   #6 
     - Answers ...  spin   Nov-16-11 02:22 PM   #12 
     - The information was initally limited to law enforcement  one-eyed fat man   Nov-16-11 03:06 PM   #13 
     - Cue the inevitable justification for gun militants engaged in organized intimidation..  DanTex   Nov-16-11 03:20 PM   #15 
        - no but  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 03:45 PM   #18 
        - if the situation were reversed and  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 03:55 PM   #20 
        - Selective "Poutrage" by many  DonP   Nov-16-11 04:17 PM   #25 
        - If anyone threatens anyone else's kids I would be opposed to it. Obviously.  DanTex   Nov-16-11 05:33 PM   #36 
           - maybe but  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 05:46 PM   #40 
           - I don't think those cases actually count. You see, incovenient data is inadmissable. n/t  TPaine7   Nov-20-11 11:05 PM   #199 
           - Million Mom Marchers and other gun control advocates have shot innocent people.  Buzz cook   Nov-23-11 03:06 PM   #207 
              - Talk about hypocrisy  gejohnston   Nov-23-11 05:18 PM   #208 
           - "Much more common tactics among right-wing groups"?  Euromutt   Nov-17-11 03:21 AM   #62 
              - You do know what the word "more" means, do you not?  DanTex   Nov-17-11 08:17 AM   #66 
                 - I'm just curious whether you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back up your claims  Euromutt   Nov-18-11 05:41 PM   #142 
                    - If you mean some sort of study, I haven't seen one.  DanTex   Nov-18-11 07:33 PM   #145 
                       - You have got to be fucking kidding.  beevul   Nov-20-11 10:46 AM   #177 
                       - that's pretty funny  iverglas   Nov-20-11 10:59 AM   #178 
                          - As usual, first you say it, then you do it.  beevul   Nov-20-11 12:18 PM   #183 
                             - still transparent; you need more trickiness lessons  iverglas   Nov-20-11 01:08 PM   #186 
                             - Still pretending I'm doing something, that I'm not in fact doing...  beevul   Nov-20-11 07:35 PM   #192 
                                - please find someone using it in a sentence  iverglas   Nov-20-11 09:37 PM   #197 
                                   - Because it can only be done with words, not imagery, right?  beevul   Nov-21-11 12:26 PM   #204 
                             - Please...  DanTex   Nov-20-11 01:20 PM   #187 
                             - Meh.  beevul   Nov-20-11 08:46 PM   #193 
                             - That first poster of the little girl. Is that the same (only in silhouette) poster  Hoopla Phil   Nov-20-11 04:00 PM   #188 
                                - I'm pretty sure the batty bunch fabricated it...  beevul   Nov-20-11 08:49 PM   #194 
                       - It's not *my* failing when what you say and what you mean differ  Euromutt   Nov-20-11 11:51 PM   #200 
        - Cue the inevitable justification of gun prohibitionists for endangering many citizens...  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:31 PM   #34 
        - Let me know when you find a "gun prohibitionist" who wants to "punish" CCWers...  DanTex   Nov-16-11 05:47 PM   #41 
           - what was the point of publishing them in the paper?  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 05:51 PM   #42 
           - If you bothered to read the article...  DanTex   Nov-16-11 06:12 PM   #44 
              - he has?  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 06:17 PM   #46 
              - Not much of an answer, and in any case irresponsible...  SteveM   Nov-16-11 06:23 PM   #47 
              - Ummm... you made the accusation that it was some desire to punish...  DanTex   Nov-17-11 07:27 AM   #65 
                 - it is still utter nonsense  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 09:38 AM   #71 
                 - "How does my neighbor having a CCW affect my safety?"  DanTex   Nov-17-11 09:50 AM   #73 
                    - not the NRA bubble  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 01:10 PM   #88 
                 - "We have the right to not hire..." Toby Hoover. Publish and punish. nt  SteveM   Nov-17-11 05:50 PM   #116 
                    - .............. what?  iverglas   Nov-17-11 06:48 PM   #119 
                       - The question was who among gun-controller/prohitionists wanted to "punish"...  SteveM   Nov-18-11 02:04 PM   #131 
                          - I don't see any desire to punish. What is see is the desire to avoid people like this guy:  DanTex   Nov-18-11 03:00 PM   #132 
                             - If you don't want certain "types" of people around you...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-18-11 03:16 PM   #133 
                                - You are missing the point.  DanTex   Nov-18-11 03:27 PM   #134 
                                   - No, sir. Hoover wants to PUNISH concealed-carry people...  SteveM   Nov-18-11 04:13 PM   #136 
                                   - Aldous Huxley, one of the biggest "moral crusaders" of his time  iverglas   Nov-18-11 04:25 PM   #137 
                                   - Hey, if Huxley didn't say it, I'll claim it! Read the book yourself. nt  SteveM   Nov-18-11 04:44 PM   #141 
                                   - which book would that be?  iverglas   Nov-18-11 06:56 PM   #144 
                                   - I think some gunners should grow a little thicker skin and stop being so self-centered.  DanTex   Nov-18-11 06:30 PM   #143 
                                   - No sir - you miss the point.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-18-11 04:34 PM   #138 
                                      - I'd like some clarity here, please  iverglas   Nov-18-11 04:40 PM   #139 
                                      - I'm not sure there could be a clearer case of fabrication, really...  DanTex   Nov-18-11 09:16 PM   #151 
                                         - A clear case of... something.  Straw Man   Nov-18-11 11:19 PM   #155 
                                         - How about instead of calling me a bigot you address my argument...  DanTex   Nov-19-11 08:14 AM   #163 
                                         - Because bigotry is the essence of your argument.  Straw Man   Nov-19-11 11:11 AM   #166 
                                         - maybe you need to pay attention  iverglas   Nov-19-11 02:18 PM   #171 
                                         - Hate to disagree with you, iverglas, but actually I was referencing...  DanTex   Nov-19-11 03:34 PM   #173 
                                         - Maybe you need a lesson in the second-person pronoun.  Straw Man   Nov-19-11 09:17 PM   #176 
                                         - maybe you need a lesson in civil discourse  iverglas   Nov-20-11 11:10 AM   #179 
                                         - From whom shall I get this lesson?  Straw Man   Nov-20-11 12:18 PM   #182 
                                         - As iverglas pointed out, I was using the "generic you"  DanTex   Nov-20-11 11:41 AM   #180 
                                         - The "generic you"?  Straw Man   Nov-20-11 12:09 PM   #181 
                                         - Yes, the "generic you"  DanTex   Nov-20-11 01:01 PM   #185 
                                         - Dan, I see that you still don't get it.  Straw Man   Nov-20-11 06:14 PM   #189 
                                         - oh dear, is "it" contagious?  iverglas   Nov-20-11 06:24 PM   #190 
                                         - Actually, no.  Straw Man   Nov-20-11 06:36 PM   #191 
                                         - oh dear  iverglas   Nov-20-11 09:35 PM   #196 
                                         - oh dear, dear, dear  Straw Man   Nov-20-11 10:06 PM   #198 
                                         - need to point gun wherever the hell they want...  gejohnston   Nov-18-11 11:35 PM   #156 
                                         - Try to pay attention instead of calling me a bigot.  DanTex   Nov-19-11 08:41 AM   #164 
                                         - A fatally flawed analogy.  Straw Man   Nov-19-11 11:33 AM   #167 
                                         - In your opinion.  DanTex   Nov-19-11 12:49 PM   #168 
                                         - I respect differences of opinion.  Straw Man   Nov-19-11 01:09 PM   #169 
                                         - correction  gejohnston   Nov-19-11 01:39 PM   #170 
                                         - "Most GCA here are lucky to make a coherent paragraph on the issue."  DanTex   Nov-19-11 03:23 PM   #172 
                                         - what?  gejohnston   Nov-19-11 04:45 PM   #174 
                                         - Pointing out your bigotry  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-21-11 12:59 PM   #205 
                                         - Except that...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-21-11 11:44 AM   #202 
              - Ohio law  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-11 08:24 AM   #67 
                 - LOL Your "plenty of evidence" is one post from two years ago, by someone who has since been TSed...  DanTex   Nov-17-11 08:38 AM   #68 
                    - again you read..................poorly  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 09:48 AM   #72 
                    - My point is that pro-gunners, as usual, are making things up  DanTex   Nov-17-11 10:24 AM   #74 
                       - who said anything about conspiracy  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 11:18 AM   #77 
                       - Let's try this again.  DanTex   Nov-17-11 11:58 AM   #80 
                       - or this  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 01:02 PM   #84 
                          - Interesting...  DanTex   Nov-17-11 01:31 PM   #89 
                             - very simple  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 08:19 PM   #122 
                       - But there is a DU member that advocates for chasing down both  oneshooter   Nov-17-11 03:46 PM   #102 
                       - Your statement that there is no...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-21-11 01:08 PM   #206 
                    - What I like is how  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-11 10:36 AM   #76 
                       - What I like is how you link to DaveKopel.org...  DanTex   Nov-17-11 11:38 AM   #78 
                          - I don't know about pro gun extremist  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 11:57 AM   #79 
                          - You sir  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-11 02:12 PM   #92 
                          - From the Cleveland Plain Dealer  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-11 03:28 PM   #99 
                             - LOL. Did you actually read that article?  DanTex   Nov-17-11 03:46 PM   #101 
                             - You want to beat that drum.  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-11 04:05 PM   #104 
                                - The tone of my posts, huh?  DanTex   Nov-17-11 04:43 PM   #106 
                                   - reality check  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 05:12 PM   #109 
                                      - Actually, I do care about privacy.  DanTex   Nov-17-11 05:14 PM   #110 
                                         - there is no evidence  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 05:26 PM   #113 
                                         - So now you also are making excuses and justifications for what BFA did...  DanTex   Nov-17-11 05:31 PM   #114 
                                         - No I am pointing out  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 08:27 PM   #123 
                                         - okay  iverglas   Nov-18-11 09:51 AM   #129 
                                         - How would BFA know if he had a kid or not?  gejohnston   Nov-18-11 10:55 PM   #154 
                                         - Are you ever right about anything?  DanTex   Nov-19-11 08:50 AM   #165 
                                         - more often than you  gejohnston   Nov-19-11 06:10 PM   #175 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-11 07:15 PM   #120 
                             - I could just swear I pointed out already  iverglas   Nov-18-11 04:43 PM   #140 
           - Sorry, you failed again. The issue here is punishment:  SteveM   Nov-16-11 06:17 PM   #45 
           - you sure do love that misquote, don't you?  iverglas   Nov-17-11 07:24 PM   #121 
           - You live in a pristine bubble, ready for a needle...  SteveM   Nov-17-11 05:23 PM   #111 
        - Exactly sauces and geese..  pipoman   Nov-16-11 11:31 PM   #59 
        - Minor detail: the BFA never published where Westerhold's daughter goes to school  Euromutt   Nov-17-11 03:47 AM   #63 
     - Your answers:  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:28 PM   #33 
     - Answer to your second question  Euromutt   Nov-19-11 06:12 AM   #162 
        - oh, if only you knew what you were talking about  iverglas   Nov-21-11 12:24 PM   #203 
  - Certainly seems something that should be "well-regulated"  gratuitous   Nov-16-11 01:38 PM   #4 
  - Check your definition  hack89   Nov-16-11 03:36 PM   #16 
  - Right  gratuitous   Nov-16-11 04:06 PM   #21 
     - that time and context  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 04:11 PM   #23 
     - In commmon 18th centruy usage it meant well trained and properly equipped.  DonP   Nov-16-11 04:15 PM   #24 
     - Yours is a modern definition  hack89   Nov-16-11 05:26 PM   #32 
     - In other words, you do not wish to learn what "well-regulated" means? nt  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:37 PM   #38 
  - Could you explain this within constitutional context?  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:36 PM   #37 
  - Ah, more crosshairs. And on an eleven year old. Over already public info. No charges, as usual...  freshwest   Nov-16-11 01:54 PM   #7 
  - Oh it was public info?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-16-11 03:38 PM   #17 
  - Do tell? And did I claim it had anything to do with you? See below, I pasted it for you.  freshwest   Nov-16-11 06:54 PM   #51 
     - "permit holder data was publicly available at the time"  AtheistCrusader   Nov-16-11 07:49 PM   #54 
  - no charges, which begs the question  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 04:08 PM   #22 
  - I believe the newspaper employee's complaints were dealt with...  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:40 PM   #39 
  - Get back with what? With the OP? With an eleven year old? Goodbye.  freshwest   Nov-16-11 06:56 PM   #52 
     - You are intentionally avoiding the issue...  SteveM   Nov-17-11 04:10 PM   #105 
  - And those CCW's that were posted, they had no children? nt  Remmah2   Nov-16-11 06:49 PM   #50 
  - First she was 12 now she's 11.  Remmah2   Nov-17-11 10:31 AM   #75 
     - By the end of the week she'll be in kindergarten  Euromutt   Nov-19-11 04:32 AM   #159 
  - more accurately, now, it's the "unfortunately named Sandusky register" nt  Warren DeMontague   Nov-16-11 02:11 PM   #9 
  - I see "Doxing" someone as inciting violence  chrisa   Nov-16-11 02:13 PM   #10 
  - So then we agree?  pipoman   Nov-16-11 11:39 PM   #60 
     - Not necessarily  chrisa   Nov-17-11 12:15 PM   #81 
        - Maybe  pipoman   Nov-17-11 10:01 PM   #124 
        - correction  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 10:07 PM   #125 
  - Yeah, the gun nuts are major dicks in this, but  Blue_Tires   Nov-16-11 02:21 PM   #11 
  - Keep in mind that some of those names are wives hiding from abusive exes too  DonP   Nov-16-11 03:12 PM   #14 
  - Very REAL consequences of publishing CCW information...  virginia mountainman   Nov-16-11 03:46 PM   #19 
  - and now it's in the dungeon  iverglas   Nov-16-11 04:27 PM   #26 
  - review of the rules  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 04:44 PM   #27 
     - well I have no idea what that was about  iverglas   Nov-16-11 04:59 PM   #28 
        - do you have any evidence that  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 05:05 PM   #29 
        - Do you feel that a person who believes in "shall issue" concealed carry ...  spin   Nov-16-11 05:19 PM   #30 
           - naww she thinks it is a  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 05:33 PM   #35 
  - The Buckeye Firearms Association was wrong. So was the punk-ass Westerhold....  SteveM   Nov-16-11 05:53 PM   #43 
  - If You're Going To Refer To Someone As A "Punk-Ass".......  Paladin   Nov-16-11 08:27 PM   #55 
  - punk assed because  gejohnston   Nov-16-11 09:10 PM   #56 
  - Missed again, Paladin...  SteveM   Nov-17-11 05:58 PM   #117 
  - That about sums it up.  Union Scribe   Nov-16-11 09:54 PM   #57 
  - Apparently what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.  Remmah2   Nov-16-11 06:46 PM   #48 
  - Better headline: Gander Not Fond of Goose Sauce  Union Scribe   Nov-16-11 09:57 PM   #58 
  - Let's not conflate a) publishing personal information and b) making death threats  Euromutt   Nov-17-11 02:53 AM   #61 
  - Publish public information, expect to have public information published about you  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-17-11 08:42 AM   #69 
  - But he was getting death threats, and then they went and published  chrisa   Nov-17-11 12:20 PM   #82 
     - they did?  gejohnston   Nov-17-11 12:37 PM   #83 
     - Do the children of parents w/CCW's not deserve equal protection under the law?  Remmah2   Nov-17-11 02:38 PM   #93 
     - did the newspaper publish any information whatsoever  iverglas   Nov-18-11 09:54 AM   #130 
        - The point is.  Remmah2   Nov-21-11 11:32 AM   #201 
     - Actually both were wrong  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-17-11 03:16 PM   #98 
  - Funny how publishing personal information sucks going the other way, eh?  Atypical Liberal   Nov-17-11 09:34 AM   #70 
  - Not unexpected behavior from folks who like carrying guns and tend to be right wing bullies.  Hoyt   Nov-17-11 01:59 PM   #90 
  - Westerhold published first, and thus made it acceptable to return the favor.  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-17-11 03:48 PM   #103 
  - Westerhold strutted, now he's upset...  SteveM   Nov-17-11 05:06 PM   #108 
  - Old camping advice.  Remmah2   Nov-18-11 08:52 AM   #127 
  - Flaming bags of douche  jpak   Nov-18-11 09:06 AM   #128 
  - Tit  minavasht   Nov-18-11 07:35 PM   #147 
  - Um yeah...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Nov-20-11 09:09 PM   #195 
  - I have a big problem with this  Serve The Servants   Nov-23-11 11:48 PM   #209 
 

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