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Edited on Thu Nov-17-11 08:25 AM by one-eyed fat man
The Ohio legislature intended to restrict the dissemination of gun owners names. It only made the information accessible to Law Enforcement and to newspapers. It was not publicly available to any curious busy body or loon looking for his ex-wife. Again the similarity to driver's licensing information. If you are a cop, you often field questions from acquaintances asking you to "run a license plate." That's a good way to get fired. Driver's info in some states was readily available as public record. That changed when after a number of highly publicized murders were attributed to stalkers using DMV records to determine home addresses of their victims. The Drivers Privacy Protection Act (DPPA), Public Law No. 103-322 codified as amended by Public Law 106-69, was originally enacted in 1994 to protect the privacy of personal information assembled by State Department of Motor Vehicles (DMVs).
The DPPA was passed in reaction to the a series of abuses of drivers' personal information held by government. The 1989 death of actress Rebecca Schaeffer was a prominent example of such abuse. In that case, a private investigator, hired by an obsessed fan, was able to obtain Rebecca Schaeffer's address through her California motor vehicle record. The fan used her address information to stalk and to kill her. Other incidents cited by Congress included a ring of Iowa home robbers who targeted victims by writing down the license plates of expensive cars and obtaining home address information from the State's department of motor vehicles. ... The DPPA survived a Constitutional challenge in Reno v. Condon, 528 U.S. 141 (2000). In that case, the state of South Carolina challenged the DPPA arguing that the Act violated principles of federalism. The Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Act as a proper exercise of Congress' authority to regulate interstate commerce under the Commerce Clause. EPIC filed an amicus brief in that case that argued in part:
The Drivers Privacy Protection Act safeguards the personal information of licensed drivers from improper use or disclosure. It is a valid exercise of federal authority in that it seeks to protect a fundamental privacy interest. It restricts the activities of states only to the extent that it concerns the subsequent use or disclosure of the information in a manner unrelated to the original purpose for which the personal information was collected. The states should not impermissibly burden the right to travel by first compelling the collection of sensitive personal information and then subsequently disclosing the same information for unrelated purposes. As for the news media, any legitimate purpose they might have would served by releasing the numbers of permit holders by city, county, zip code, age, sex, etc without naming names or listing addresses. The newspaper editorialized against the concealed carry law. The law passed. The paper outed permit holders. Certainly to point was to punish or stigmatize, or why out them by name? You can see plenty of evidence right here by those who argue publishing the names of "slimy, evil, gun permit holders" is like listing the names and addresses of sex offenders....in the name of public safety. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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NNN0LHI |
Nov-16-11 01:13 PM |
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putting the 'nuts' in gun nuts. nt |
abelenkpe |
Nov-16-11 01:19 PM |
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Gun terrorist organizations. |
Gold Metal Flake |
Nov-16-11 01:29 PM |
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No grounds on which part? |
MattBaggins |
Nov-16-11 01:41 PM |
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From the newspaper: |
Remmah2 |
Nov-16-11 07:02 PM |
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Really? |
abelenkpe |
Nov-16-11 02:09 PM |
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Of course death threats are grounds for action, but only against whoever made them |
Euromutt |
Nov-17-11 04:04 AM |
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"Gun nuts" is a casual smear used by anti-2A people around here. nt |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:21 PM |
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I wonder why the moderators no longer delete "gun nuts" as a vulgar slur? |
Remmah2 |
Nov-16-11 06:47 PM |
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An interesting question. I wonder what other vulgar slurs are acceptable |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-17-11 01:03 PM |
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Does that mean the term "hoplophobe" is acceptable now as well? |
cleanhippie |
Nov-18-11 07:34 PM |
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How about Hoplophile, which by the way, was my original username. |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-18-11 10:27 PM |
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Name removed |
Nov-24-11 04:52 PM |
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Nov-24-11 06:45 PM |
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Perhaps you could pose your musings here |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-17-11 01:08 PM |
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Actually, HP - it doesn't look like you can. |
Simo 1939_1940 |
Nov-18-11 07:41 PM |
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Bummer. Of course, you CAN put forth your own question should |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-18-11 10:23 PM |
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When some anti-2A folks deemed this forum "extreme." nt |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 02:57 PM |
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By what standards is it a vulgar slur? |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 03:14 PM |
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See here. |
oneshooter |
Nov-17-11 03:38 PM |
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This is a definite policy change. Previously the term was treated as any other vulgar term |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-17-11 05:41 PM |
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Would you mind voicing your opinion here? |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-17-11 01:09 PM |
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Really? You'd better let the Gun Nuts know that |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 02:04 PM |
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I know some black folks who use the term "N..... |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 03:05 PM |
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Exactly! You can call yourselves "gun nuts" |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 03:15 PM |
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Who here has used "gun nuts," other than to call anti-2A folks' hands? |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 04:44 PM |
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Excuse me! "Don't use the term." Are you making the rules now? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-17-11 05:23 PM |
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You are not excused! Don't be so whiney and overly sweaty... |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 06:11 PM |
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This is a privately owned forum; your First Amendment rights don't apply |
Euromutt |
Nov-18-11 05:31 AM |
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I am aware of the rules. But you knew that |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 04:07 PM |
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It wasn't evident from what you said |
Euromutt |
Nov-19-11 03:59 AM |
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Are you familiar with the term hoplophobe? |
cleanhippie |
Nov-18-11 07:37 PM |
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Why do you ask? Are you a hoplophobe? |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-18-11 08:10 PM |
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In a sense, you *do* mean "NWA" |
Euromutt |
Nov-19-11 05:30 AM |
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I would call it a "smear," exactly |
Euromutt |
Nov-19-11 05:26 AM |
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Damn, but you're smart. |
Starboard Tack |
Nov-20-11 12:57 PM |
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That "organized information dissemination apparatus" is called "the internet" |
Euromutt |
Nov-19-11 03:16 AM |
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While I don't agree with the tactics of the Buckeye Firearms Association ... |
spin |
Nov-16-11 01:33 PM |
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A couple of questions. |
madinmaryland |
Nov-16-11 01:52 PM |
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Answers ... |
spin |
Nov-16-11 02:22 PM |
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The information was initally limited to law enforcement |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-16-11 03:06 PM |
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Cue the inevitable justification for gun militants engaged in organized intimidation.. |
DanTex |
Nov-16-11 03:20 PM |
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no but |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 03:45 PM |
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if the situation were reversed and |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 03:55 PM |
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Selective "Poutrage" by many |
DonP |
Nov-16-11 04:17 PM |
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If anyone threatens anyone else's kids I would be opposed to it. Obviously. |
DanTex |
Nov-16-11 05:33 PM |
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maybe but |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 05:46 PM |
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I don't think those cases actually count. You see, incovenient data is inadmissable. n/t |
TPaine7 |
Nov-20-11 11:05 PM |
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Million Mom Marchers and other gun control advocates have shot innocent people. |
Buzz cook |
Nov-23-11 03:06 PM |
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Talk about hypocrisy |
gejohnston |
Nov-23-11 05:18 PM |
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"Much more common tactics among right-wing groups"? |
Euromutt |
Nov-17-11 03:21 AM |
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You do know what the word "more" means, do you not? |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 08:17 AM |
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I'm just curious whether you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back up your claims |
Euromutt |
Nov-18-11 05:41 PM |
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If you mean some sort of study, I haven't seen one. |
DanTex |
Nov-18-11 07:33 PM |
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You have got to be fucking kidding. |
beevul |
Nov-20-11 10:46 AM |
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that's pretty funny |
iverglas |
Nov-20-11 10:59 AM |
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As usual, first you say it, then you do it. |
beevul |
Nov-20-11 12:18 PM |
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still transparent; you need more trickiness lessons |
iverglas |
Nov-20-11 01:08 PM |
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Still pretending I'm doing something, that I'm not in fact doing... |
beevul |
Nov-20-11 07:35 PM |
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please find someone using it in a sentence |
iverglas |
Nov-20-11 09:37 PM |
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Because it can only be done with words, not imagery, right? |
beevul |
Nov-21-11 12:26 PM |
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Please... |
DanTex |
Nov-20-11 01:20 PM |
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Meh. |
beevul |
Nov-20-11 08:46 PM |
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That first poster of the little girl. Is that the same (only in silhouette) poster |
Hoopla Phil |
Nov-20-11 04:00 PM |
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I'm pretty sure the batty bunch fabricated it... |
beevul |
Nov-20-11 08:49 PM |
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It's not *my* failing when what you say and what you mean differ |
Euromutt |
Nov-20-11 11:51 PM |
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Cue the inevitable justification of gun prohibitionists for endangering many citizens... |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:31 PM |
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Let me know when you find a "gun prohibitionist" who wants to "punish" CCWers... |
DanTex |
Nov-16-11 05:47 PM |
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what was the point of publishing them in the paper? |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 05:51 PM |
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If you bothered to read the article... |
DanTex |
Nov-16-11 06:12 PM |
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he has? |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 06:17 PM |
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Not much of an answer, and in any case irresponsible... |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 06:23 PM |
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Ummm... you made the accusation that it was some desire to punish... |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 07:27 AM |
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it is still utter nonsense |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 09:38 AM |
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"How does my neighbor having a CCW affect my safety?" |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 09:50 AM |
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not the NRA bubble |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 01:10 PM |
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"We have the right to not hire..." Toby Hoover. Publish and punish. nt |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 05:50 PM |
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.............. what? |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 06:48 PM |
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The question was who among gun-controller/prohitionists wanted to "punish"... |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 02:04 PM |
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I don't see any desire to punish. What is see is the desire to avoid people like this guy: |
DanTex |
Nov-18-11 03:00 PM |
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If you don't want certain "types" of people around you... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-18-11 03:16 PM |
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You are missing the point. |
DanTex |
Nov-18-11 03:27 PM |
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No, sir. Hoover wants to PUNISH concealed-carry people... |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 04:13 PM |
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Aldous Huxley, one of the biggest "moral crusaders" of his time |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 04:25 PM |
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Hey, if Huxley didn't say it, I'll claim it! Read the book yourself. nt |
SteveM |
Nov-18-11 04:44 PM |
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which book would that be? |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 06:56 PM |
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I think some gunners should grow a little thicker skin and stop being so self-centered. |
DanTex |
Nov-18-11 06:30 PM |
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No sir - you miss the point. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-18-11 04:34 PM |
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I'd like some clarity here, please |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 04:40 PM |
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I'm not sure there could be a clearer case of fabrication, really... |
DanTex |
Nov-18-11 09:16 PM |
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A clear case of... something. |
Straw Man |
Nov-18-11 11:19 PM |
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How about instead of calling me a bigot you address my argument... |
DanTex |
Nov-19-11 08:14 AM |
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Because bigotry is the essence of your argument. |
Straw Man |
Nov-19-11 11:11 AM |
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maybe you need to pay attention |
iverglas |
Nov-19-11 02:18 PM |
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Hate to disagree with you, iverglas, but actually I was referencing... |
DanTex |
Nov-19-11 03:34 PM |
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Maybe you need a lesson in the second-person pronoun. |
Straw Man |
Nov-19-11 09:17 PM |
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maybe you need a lesson in civil discourse |
iverglas |
Nov-20-11 11:10 AM |
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From whom shall I get this lesson? |
Straw Man |
Nov-20-11 12:18 PM |
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As iverglas pointed out, I was using the "generic you" |
DanTex |
Nov-20-11 11:41 AM |
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The "generic you"? |
Straw Man |
Nov-20-11 12:09 PM |
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Yes, the "generic you" |
DanTex |
Nov-20-11 01:01 PM |
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Dan, I see that you still don't get it. |
Straw Man |
Nov-20-11 06:14 PM |
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oh dear, is "it" contagious? |
iverglas |
Nov-20-11 06:24 PM |
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Actually, no. |
Straw Man |
Nov-20-11 06:36 PM |
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oh dear |
iverglas |
Nov-20-11 09:35 PM |
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oh dear, dear, dear |
Straw Man |
Nov-20-11 10:06 PM |
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need to point gun wherever the hell they want... |
gejohnston |
Nov-18-11 11:35 PM |
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Try to pay attention instead of calling me a bigot. |
DanTex |
Nov-19-11 08:41 AM |
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A fatally flawed analogy. |
Straw Man |
Nov-19-11 11:33 AM |
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In your opinion. |
DanTex |
Nov-19-11 12:49 PM |
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I respect differences of opinion. |
Straw Man |
Nov-19-11 01:09 PM |
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correction |
gejohnston |
Nov-19-11 01:39 PM |
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"Most GCA here are lucky to make a coherent paragraph on the issue." |
DanTex |
Nov-19-11 03:23 PM |
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what? |
gejohnston |
Nov-19-11 04:45 PM |
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Pointing out your bigotry |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-21-11 12:59 PM |
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Except that... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-21-11 11:44 AM |
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Ohio law |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-17-11 08:24 AM |
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LOL Your "plenty of evidence" is one post from two years ago, by someone who has since been TSed... |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 08:38 AM |
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again you read..................poorly |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 09:48 AM |
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My point is that pro-gunners, as usual, are making things up |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 10:24 AM |
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who said anything about conspiracy |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 11:18 AM |
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Let's try this again. |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 11:58 AM |
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or this |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 01:02 PM |
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Interesting... |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 01:31 PM |
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very simple |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 08:19 PM |
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But there is a DU member that advocates for chasing down both |
oneshooter |
Nov-17-11 03:46 PM |
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Your statement that there is no... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Nov-21-11 01:08 PM |
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What I like is how |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-17-11 10:36 AM |
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What I like is how you link to DaveKopel.org... |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 11:38 AM |
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I don't know about pro gun extremist |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 11:57 AM |
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You sir |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-17-11 02:12 PM |
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From the Cleveland Plain Dealer |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-17-11 03:28 PM |
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LOL. Did you actually read that article? |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 03:46 PM |
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You want to beat that drum. |
one-eyed fat man |
Nov-17-11 04:05 PM |
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The tone of my posts, huh? |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 04:43 PM |
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reality check |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 05:12 PM |
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Actually, I do care about privacy. |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 05:14 PM |
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there is no evidence |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 05:26 PM |
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So now you also are making excuses and justifications for what BFA did... |
DanTex |
Nov-17-11 05:31 PM |
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No I am pointing out |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 08:27 PM |
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okay |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 09:51 AM |
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How would BFA know if he had a kid or not? |
gejohnston |
Nov-18-11 10:55 PM |
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Are you ever right about anything? |
DanTex |
Nov-19-11 08:50 AM |
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more often than you |
gejohnston |
Nov-19-11 06:10 PM |
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Nov-17-11 07:15 PM |
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I could just swear I pointed out already |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 04:43 PM |
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Sorry, you failed again. The issue here is punishment: |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 06:17 PM |
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you sure do love that misquote, don't you? |
iverglas |
Nov-17-11 07:24 PM |
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You live in a pristine bubble, ready for a needle... |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 05:23 PM |
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Exactly sauces and geese.. |
pipoman |
Nov-16-11 11:31 PM |
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Minor detail: the BFA never published where Westerhold's daughter goes to school |
Euromutt |
Nov-17-11 03:47 AM |
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Your answers: |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:28 PM |
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Answer to your second question |
Euromutt |
Nov-19-11 06:12 AM |
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oh, if only you knew what you were talking about |
iverglas |
Nov-21-11 12:24 PM |
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Certainly seems something that should be "well-regulated" |
gratuitous |
Nov-16-11 01:38 PM |
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Check your definition |
hack89 |
Nov-16-11 03:36 PM |
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Right |
gratuitous |
Nov-16-11 04:06 PM |
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that time and context |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 04:11 PM |
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In commmon 18th centruy usage it meant well trained and properly equipped. |
DonP |
Nov-16-11 04:15 PM |
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Yours is a modern definition |
hack89 |
Nov-16-11 05:26 PM |
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In other words, you do not wish to learn what "well-regulated" means? nt |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:37 PM |
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Could you explain this within constitutional context? |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:36 PM |
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Ah, more crosshairs. And on an eleven year old. Over already public info. No charges, as usual... |
freshwest |
Nov-16-11 01:54 PM |
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Oh it was public info? |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-16-11 03:38 PM |
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Do tell? And did I claim it had anything to do with you? See below, I pasted it for you. |
freshwest |
Nov-16-11 06:54 PM |
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"permit holder data was publicly available at the time" |
AtheistCrusader |
Nov-16-11 07:49 PM |
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no charges, which begs the question |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 04:08 PM |
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I believe the newspaper employee's complaints were dealt with... |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:40 PM |
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Get back with what? With the OP? With an eleven year old? Goodbye. |
freshwest |
Nov-16-11 06:56 PM |
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You are intentionally avoiding the issue... |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 04:10 PM |
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And those CCW's that were posted, they had no children? nt |
Remmah2 |
Nov-16-11 06:49 PM |
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First she was 12 now she's 11. |
Remmah2 |
Nov-17-11 10:31 AM |
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By the end of the week she'll be in kindergarten |
Euromutt |
Nov-19-11 04:32 AM |
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more accurately, now, it's the "unfortunately named Sandusky register" nt |
Warren DeMontague |
Nov-16-11 02:11 PM |
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I see "Doxing" someone as inciting violence |
chrisa |
Nov-16-11 02:13 PM |
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So then we agree? |
pipoman |
Nov-16-11 11:39 PM |
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Not necessarily |
chrisa |
Nov-17-11 12:15 PM |
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Maybe |
pipoman |
Nov-17-11 10:01 PM |
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correction |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 10:07 PM |
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Yeah, the gun nuts are major dicks in this, but |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-16-11 02:21 PM |
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Keep in mind that some of those names are wives hiding from abusive exes too |
DonP |
Nov-16-11 03:12 PM |
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Very REAL consequences of publishing CCW information... |
virginia mountainman |
Nov-16-11 03:46 PM |
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and now it's in the dungeon |
iverglas |
Nov-16-11 04:27 PM |
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review of the rules |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 04:44 PM |
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well I have no idea what that was about |
iverglas |
Nov-16-11 04:59 PM |
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do you have any evidence that |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 05:05 PM |
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Do you feel that a person who believes in "shall issue" concealed carry ... |
spin |
Nov-16-11 05:19 PM |
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naww she thinks it is a |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 05:33 PM |
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The Buckeye Firearms Association was wrong. So was the punk-ass Westerhold.... |
SteveM |
Nov-16-11 05:53 PM |
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If You're Going To Refer To Someone As A "Punk-Ass"....... |
Paladin |
Nov-16-11 08:27 PM |
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punk assed because |
gejohnston |
Nov-16-11 09:10 PM |
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Missed again, Paladin... |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 05:58 PM |
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That about sums it up. |
Union Scribe |
Nov-16-11 09:54 PM |
#57 |
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Apparently what's good for the goose is not good for the gander. |
Remmah2 |
Nov-16-11 06:46 PM |
#48 |
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Better headline: Gander Not Fond of Goose Sauce |
Union Scribe |
Nov-16-11 09:57 PM |
#58 |
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Let's not conflate a) publishing personal information and b) making death threats |
Euromutt |
Nov-17-11 02:53 AM |
#61 |
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Publish public information, expect to have public information published about you |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Nov-17-11 08:42 AM |
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But he was getting death threats, and then they went and published |
chrisa |
Nov-17-11 12:20 PM |
#82 |
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they did? |
gejohnston |
Nov-17-11 12:37 PM |
#83 |
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Do the children of parents w/CCW's not deserve equal protection under the law? |
Remmah2 |
Nov-17-11 02:38 PM |
#93 |
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did the newspaper publish any information whatsoever |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 09:54 AM |
#130 |
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The point is. |
Remmah2 |
Nov-21-11 11:32 AM |
#201 |
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Actually both were wrong |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Nov-17-11 03:16 PM |
#98 |
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Funny how publishing personal information sucks going the other way, eh? |
Atypical Liberal |
Nov-17-11 09:34 AM |
#70 |
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Not unexpected behavior from folks who like carrying guns and tend to be right wing bullies. |
Hoyt |
Nov-17-11 01:59 PM |
#90 |
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Westerhold published first, and thus made it acceptable to return the favor. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Nov-17-11 03:48 PM |
#103 |
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Westerhold strutted, now he's upset... |
SteveM |
Nov-17-11 05:06 PM |
#108 |
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Old camping advice. |
Remmah2 |
Nov-18-11 08:52 AM |
#127 |
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Flaming bags of douche |
jpak |
Nov-18-11 09:06 AM |
#128 |
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Tit |
minavasht |
Nov-18-11 07:35 PM |
#147 |
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Um yeah... |
discntnt_irny_srcsm |
Nov-20-11 09:09 PM |
#195 |
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I have a big problem with this |
Serve The Servants |
Nov-23-11 11:48 PM |
#209 |