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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:15 PM
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38. like this, I guess.
how does anyone know there are a significant number of any felons with CCWs

The probe found the reports the state has released to the public every year for a decade fall far short of reality, especially on the number of convictions and license revocations. Among the reasons: Gun boards in more than half the 83 counties broke the law by failing to file their annual reports at least once. One county, Shiawassee, has never complied.

Confusion reigns. In some instances, licenses were reinstated after convictions when they were supposed to be revoked. Ottawa County revoked just one license in nine years because of a procedural misunderstanding.

Countless other cases are unaccounted for, either because county licensing boards are not notified of the outcome of criminal charges, or they neglect to take action. Revocations are not completed, so they never show up in public reports.

Take, for example, the case of 28-year-old Estanislao Mendez, who was armed when his companion fired shots at the feet of a victim they were robbing. His permit was suspended, pending the cases outcome. Mendez was convicted, sent to prison for nearly two years, and has been paroled since October. The Kent County gun board has yet to permanently revoke his license. It still lists his case as pending.

If Massachusetts doesn't want to be compelled to recognize permits from states that are that slipshod about who has them, I won't blame it.
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  -Good reason to have national reciprocity. Remmah2  Nov-10-11 11:25 AM   #0 
  - Real reciprocity: making the toter a felon in both states.  dtexdem   Nov-10-11 11:40 AM   #1 
  - I do it all the time.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-10-11 12:04 PM   #5 
  - Aldous Huxley had you in mind...  SteveM   Nov-10-11 12:56 PM   #12 
  - oh, the poor victims  iverglas   Nov-10-11 01:56 PM   #24 
     - Could have asked right off...  SteveM   Nov-10-11 02:26 PM   #30 
        - good god, do you have a clue?  iverglas   Nov-10-11 03:01 PM   #36 
           - I've found a few mentions that it actually came from Huxley's introduction  petronius   Nov-10-11 05:35 PM   #49 
              - online  iverglas   Nov-10-11 06:32 PM   #52 
                 - I couldn't find an online version that included the intro, either, and that particular  petronius   Nov-10-11 10:42 PM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-11 03:12 PM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-11 04:13 PM   #43 
  - FOPA  one-eyed fat man   Nov-10-11 03:16 PM   #39 
  - That seems to be one of the techniques of the gun prohibitionist crowd.  Hoopla Phil   Nov-10-11 05:31 PM   #47 
  - Yeah, peaceful people being beaten with the cudgel of the state!!  Callisto32   Nov-11-11 08:44 AM   #63 
  - Good reason not to tote. But, I doubt that will stop those who view guns in public as proper.  Hoyt   Nov-10-11 11:47 AM   #2 
  - Nope - sure wont.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-10-11 11:56 AM   #3 
  - Not only does it not, but we will fix it.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-10-11 12:04 PM   #6 
  - Are you sure you're not Darby Conley?  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-10-11 05:09 PM   #46 
  - It is sad that the "little-known federal statute"  ManiacJoe   Nov-10-11 12:01 PM   #4 
  - does your Florida driver's licence  iverglas   Nov-10-11 12:06 PM   #7 
  - That doesn't really make any sense at all.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-10-11 12:39 PM   #9 
  - A better question might be," Does a Florida Concealed Weapons Permit ...  spin   Nov-10-11 12:46 PM   #10 
  - okey dokey  iverglas   Nov-10-11 01:06 PM   #15 
     - I think it was  gejohnston   Nov-10-11 01:26 PM   #20 
     - actually it doesn't say  iverglas   Nov-10-11 02:01 PM   #25 
        - That is the problem with  gejohnston   Nov-10-11 02:14 PM   #28 
           - and that is why  iverglas   Nov-10-11 02:54 PM   #33 
     - The fed law in question:  ManiacJoe   Nov-10-11 03:24 PM   #40 
     - yes, I gather it's what's quoted upthread  iverglas   Nov-10-11 04:43 PM   #44 
     - Analogies and equivalencies.  Straw Man   Nov-10-11 11:04 PM   #60 
  - The discussion is over exorcising licenses and certifications, not speed limits. nt  SteveM   Nov-10-11 01:00 PM   #13 
  - oh no, first we're exercising demons  iverglas   Nov-10-11 01:09 PM   #16 
     - No, we were excising taxes. nt  SteveM   Nov-10-11 01:17 PM   #18 
  - No.  Straw Man   Nov-10-11 02:35 PM   #31 
  - Back when this crap started  one-eyed fat man   Nov-10-11 06:34 PM   #53 
  - You're so damn smart you can't convert miles to kilometers and back again?  Callisto32   Nov-11-11 08:51 AM   #64 
  - There's a fly in your ointment  TheCowsCameHome   Nov-10-11 12:30 PM   #8 
  - as I was saying yesterday  iverglas   Nov-10-11 01:16 PM   #17 
     - Except that if the out-of-state bearer does meat the requirements in Mass.  krispos42   Nov-10-11 01:40 PM   #23 
     - oh well  iverglas   Nov-10-11 02:05 PM   #26 
        - given that  gejohnston   Nov-10-11 02:16 PM   #29 
        - uh  iverglas   Nov-10-11 02:45 PM   #32 
           - most of the time, yeah  gejohnston   Nov-10-11 02:56 PM   #35 
              - like this, I guess.  iverglas   Nov-10-11 03:15 PM   #38 
                 - That would put that state in violation of federal law.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-10-11 04:09 PM   #42 
                    - sorry, I should have clarified (in case you didn't click)  iverglas   Nov-10-11 04:46 PM   #45 
                       - Here you go.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-10-11 05:31 PM   #48 
                          - right, got it  iverglas   Nov-10-11 05:52 PM   #50 
                             - Yeah, no, this is EVERYTHING.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-10-11 06:18 PM   #51 
        - I saw that in an episode of "Law & Order"  krispos42   Nov-10-11 09:11 PM   #56 
     - A 'commonality of interest' with cheap-labor Republicans? Really?  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-13-11 12:40 PM   #65 
  - Toter?  rl6214   Nov-10-11 12:50 PM   #11 
  - I saw one of those! It was toting tea. nt  SteveM   Nov-10-11 01:02 PM   #14 
  - Does not have anything to do with CCW reciprocity  gejohnston   Nov-10-11 01:18 PM   #19 
  - A little known Federal statute?  spin   Nov-10-11 02:13 PM   #27 
     - Yeah, that was my reaction as well  Euromutt   Nov-10-11 08:55 PM   #54 
        - my bad  gejohnston   Nov-10-11 09:04 PM   #55 
           - Not your fault. That statement was in the linked article in the OP. (n/t)  spin   Nov-10-11 11:05 PM   #61 
              - As spin says, the NY Post's words, not yours (n/t)  Euromutt   Nov-10-11 11:52 PM   #62 
  - I'm not clear on the event here: if she was checking in, does that mean she was merely switching  petronius   Nov-10-11 01:31 PM   #21 
  - Have to disagree...  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-10-11 01:39 PM   #22 
     - Honestly, I can get into my travel case in 10 seconds. It is easily accessible!  Logical   Nov-10-11 09:21 PM   #57 
     - On reflection, I think you're right - I was translating "not readily accessible"  petronius   Nov-10-11 10:23 PM   #58 
        - It does.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-14-11 10:09 AM   #66 
  - i have flown to several competitions in the NE  melm00se   Nov-10-11 02:55 PM   #34 
     - +1 n/t  PavePusher   Nov-10-11 03:33 PM   #41 

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