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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. In short, you DO want to restrict us....
and you hold criminals and non-criminals as equals.

We're done here.
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  -Will more handguns being carried for self-defense save more lives or cost more lives? Starboard Tack  Oct-29-11 05:23 PM   #0 
  - How about using and honest and reputable source?  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-29-11 05:24 PM   #1 
  - Hey, LCAV's honest.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:29 PM   #2 
  - Do you have a specific point you disagree with?  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 05:47 PM   #5 
     - Youre using a disreputable source  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:53 PM   #8 
        - Thanks again for your in depth analysis. Remember, all you post is public record.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 08:29 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-11 05:46 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-11 05:53 PM   #7 
     - Maybe your credibility would be enhanced by citing false data and assumptions.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 06:59 PM   #13 
        - No, I won't do what your poll or LCAV does.  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-29-11 11:33 PM   #45 
  - You mean like the NRA?  RC   Oct-29-11 06:04 PM   #10 
     - I'd settle for some more academic and verifiable  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-30-11 09:47 AM   #57 
  - Wow. Another meaningless poll. nt  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:30 PM   #3 
  - Another meaningless response.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 05:49 PM   #6 
     - LOL You posted it.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:55 PM   #9 
        - I know. Isn't it great. Look at the poll. Very interesting.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 07:02 PM   #14 
           - So why do you hate individual rights so much?  gravity556   Oct-29-11 07:10 PM   #15 
           - I love individual rights, but not when they are so out of control as to threaten public safety  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 08:03 PM   #17 
              - Yeah, let's just repeal the 2nd amendment  rl6214   Oct-29-11 08:43 PM   #22 
              - Thank you. I've been saying that for quite a while.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:05 PM   #24 
                 - Yeah, I didn't think I needed to post that little sarcasm thingy  rl6214   Oct-30-11 12:56 AM   #48 
                    - You call a solution seeker and problem solver an anti-gun zealot.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:18 PM   #62 
                       - Solution seeker and problem solver?  rl6214   Oct-31-11 12:58 AM   #95 
                          - I guess you still use Windows ME  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 12:33 PM   #100 
                             - Does that offend you, being labled an anti-gun zealot?  rl6214   Oct-31-11 02:00 PM   #101 
                                - It isn't true. I am not anti-gun. I support private gun ownership. I oppose toting in public  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 02:15 PM   #103 
                                   - What is "toting"? I see you post this all the time.  rl6214   Oct-31-11 02:18 PM   #104 
                                      - Toting is an English word meaning carrying. Sorry if you are unfamiliar with it.  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 06:23 PM   #106 
              - "so out of control as to threaten public safety"  PavePusher   Oct-29-11 09:29 PM   #32 
              - You don't get it. Do you?  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 12:14 PM   #60 
                 - In short, you DO want to restrict us....  PavePusher   Oct-30-11 01:47 PM   #68 
                    - I don't live in a black and white world.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:55 PM   #69 
                       - My concern was not with your ex-felon comment. I'm sure you can figure it out.  PavePusher   Oct-30-11 02:22 PM   #71 
                          - When it comes to human life, all is sacred.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 02:33 PM   #72 
                             - I disagree entirely with that.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:36 PM   #114 
              - You have yet to demonstrate...  beevul   Oct-30-11 01:52 AM   #49 
              - I think 100,000 shooting deaths and injuries a year is ample demonstration.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 12:53 PM   #61 
                 - Oh I'm sure you do.  beevul   Oct-31-11 06:20 AM   #97 
                    - And your solution would be what? Or do you not consider it a problem?  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 12:27 PM   #99 
                       - You figure out  rrneck   Oct-31-11 02:12 PM   #102 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-31-11 03:57 PM   #105 
                          - Thanks once again for proving my point.  Starboard Tack   Nov-01-11 02:18 PM   #108 
                          - You may want to check with fellow members before quoting them  Starboard Tack   Nov-01-11 02:24 PM   #109 
                             - I think your snark meter failed you.  beevul   Nov-01-11 02:40 PM   #110 
                                - You called out another member and accused him of advocating violence  Starboard Tack   Nov-01-11 03:49 PM   #111 
                                   - Bwaahahahahaha,  beevul   Nov-01-11 09:27 PM   #112 
                                      - Reread what? Oops!  Starboard Tack   Nov-02-11 01:47 AM   #113 
              - That they are 'out of control' is your opinion. Much indistinguishable from your asshole.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:04 AM   #50 
           - Do you realize  rrneck   Oct-29-11 07:50 PM   #16 
              - And as an artist yourself, I'm sure you appreciate it.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 08:33 PM   #20 
                 - I didn't say it was good art.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 09:01 PM   #23 
                    - Hey, I agree with you on Kincaid, but as they say "Eye of the beholder..."  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:13 PM   #25 
                       - Bullshit.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 09:19 PM   #30 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-11 09:42 PM   #35 
                          - Ohhhhhhhhhh.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 09:52 PM   #39 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-11 01:47 PM   #67 
                             - Well then  rrneck   Oct-30-11 02:49 PM   #74 
                          - Another self-appointed political commissar...  Marengo   Oct-30-11 10:01 AM   #58 
                       - By the way...  rrneck   Oct-30-11 12:13 AM   #47 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-29-11 06:17 PM   #11 
  - Only carried, or used to blow someone away?  TheCowsCameHome   Oct-29-11 06:34 PM   #12 
  - You'll have to figure that one out  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:15 PM   #27 
  - firearms carried for self defense are just that...all other uses would be illegal.  ileus   Oct-29-11 08:05 PM   #18 
  - Really? Do cops carry for self-defense?  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:16 PM   #28 
     - I think most LEO's will tell you yes.  ileus   Oct-29-11 10:03 PM   #41 
     - Then that would be an excellent reason to disarm them first.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:21 PM   #63 
        - LE exists to enforce the law.  rrneck   Oct-30-11 03:25 PM   #75 
        - That is a huge problem, confusing LE with the purpose of a Police Officer  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 04:53 PM   #78 
           - From your post:  rrneck   Oct-30-11 05:45 PM   #81 
              - You find that funny? See anything about toting sidearms to accomplish that?  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 06:22 PM   #84 
                 - I find you funny.  rrneck   Oct-30-11 06:31 PM   #85 
                    - That is correct and the weapons were not guns.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 07:06 PM   #88 
                       - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-30-11 07:54 PM   #90 
        - No it isnt.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:38 PM   #115 
     - Yes. And in Washington State they are held to a higher bar for reasonable use to fire at someone, th  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:06 AM   #51 
     - Using a gun in self-defense is not necessarily the reason for carrying one.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:23 PM   #64 
        - Sure. I've carried as part of a haloween costume.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-31-11 12:52 AM   #93 
        - Its the only reason I carry one.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:39 PM   #116 
     - Yes, as well as the occasional offense  pipoman   Oct-30-11 07:20 AM   #55 
        - I think you are wrong. Cops carry to protect the public.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:29 PM   #65 
           - "The handgun is the primary weapon for defense against unexpected attack."  Kennah   Oct-30-11 03:25 PM   #76 
           - The FBI is not a police force in the conventional sense.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 05:01 PM   #79 
              - Not for general policing ...  Kennah   Oct-30-11 06:19 PM   #83 
                 - OK, let me try once again to explain my position on guns  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 07:00 PM   #86 
                 - Can you explain why ...  Kennah   Oct-30-11 08:50 PM   #91 
                 - Also, you do realize that we are royally pissing off some people ...  Kennah   Oct-30-11 11:35 PM   #92 
                 - Completely incoherent. nt  rrneck   Oct-31-11 11:40 AM   #98 
                 - OK, let me try once again to explain my position on guns  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 07:00 PM   #87 
           - Sophistry.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-31-11 12:54 AM   #94 
           - Here is where YOU are wrong. Police have NO DUTY to protect  rl6214   Oct-31-11 01:14 AM   #96 
           - Nope - you're wrong.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:40 PM   #117 
  - None of the above.  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Oct-29-11 08:38 PM   #21 
  - Hey, it's a poll. Do you have any ideas or independent thoughts?  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:19 PM   #29 
     - He just gave you one.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:06 AM   #52 
  - A Suffusion of Yellow (nt)  petronius   Oct-29-11 09:14 PM   #26 
  - Are we to assume from your response that you voted  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:22 PM   #31 
     - No, actually, you should not make that assumption  petronius   Oct-29-11 09:29 PM   #33 
     - OK, just wondered. Th yellow thing and all  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:43 PM   #36 
        - I don't follow - why would yellow suggest that choice in particular?  petronius   Oct-29-11 09:50 PM   #38 
           - Did you look at the poll? Yellow was used to denote that choice.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:39 PM   #66 
              - No, I didn't expand the thread after the first look - but that wasn't the reference...  petronius   Oct-30-11 05:53 PM   #82 
     - It's a Dirk Gently reference  Euromutt   Oct-30-11 07:53 PM   #89 
        - Aha. Thank you for the explanation.  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 06:27 PM   #107 
  - Most defensive uses of guns do not result in a homicide  mmb713   Oct-29-11 09:41 PM   #34 
  - Another stat you left out  mmb713   Oct-29-11 09:49 PM   #37 
  - On the other hand  safeinOhio   Oct-30-11 02:17 PM   #70 
  - Do you realize how ludicrous your argument is?  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 04:12 PM   #77 
  - My EDC's are safety devices meant for saving lives...  ileus   Oct-29-11 10:01 PM   #40 
  - these people?  gejohnston   Oct-29-11 10:12 PM   #42 
  - Net savings of innocent life.  krispos42   Oct-29-11 10:29 PM   #43 
  - A glaring fallacy with your post is that you totally ignore the fact ...  spin   Oct-29-11 11:12 PM   #44 
  - Non-reported use is the one stat that would make things much more quantified  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-29-11 11:36 PM   #46 
     - I think I understand why some object to Kleck's numbers. I don't see why anyone would object to the  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:09 AM   #53 
        - Problem is DOJ does not and arguable can not collect are those that do not involve discharges  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-30-11 09:46 AM   #56 
  - Interesting...  Callisto32   Oct-30-11 07:09 AM   #54 
  - It will save more innocent lives.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Oct-30-11 10:22 AM   #59 
  - Verifiable stats for both Texas & Florida *prove* that concealed  Simo 1939_1940   Oct-30-11 02:37 PM   #73 
  - Are the lives of innocent people of the same value as those of violent criminals?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-30-11 05:09 PM   #80 
 

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