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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. Problem is DOJ does not and arguable can not collect are those that do not involve discharges
Not sure they get all those where weapons are fired and no one injured.
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  -Will more handguns being carried for self-defense save more lives or cost more lives? Starboard Tack  Oct-29-11 05:23 PM   #0 
  - How about using and honest and reputable source?  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-29-11 05:24 PM   #1 
  - Hey, LCAV's honest.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:29 PM   #2 
  - Do you have a specific point you disagree with?  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 05:47 PM   #5 
     - Youre using a disreputable source  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:53 PM   #8 
        - Thanks again for your in depth analysis. Remember, all you post is public record.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 08:29 PM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-11 05:46 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-11 05:53 PM   #7 
     - Maybe your credibility would be enhanced by citing false data and assumptions.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 06:59 PM   #13 
        - No, I won't do what your poll or LCAV does.  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-29-11 11:33 PM   #45 
  - You mean like the NRA?  RC   Oct-29-11 06:04 PM   #10 
     - I'd settle for some more academic and verifiable  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-30-11 09:47 AM   #57 
  - Wow. Another meaningless poll. nt  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:30 PM   #3 
  - Another meaningless response.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 05:49 PM   #6 
     - LOL You posted it.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 05:55 PM   #9 
        - I know. Isn't it great. Look at the poll. Very interesting.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 07:02 PM   #14 
           - So why do you hate individual rights so much?  gravity556   Oct-29-11 07:10 PM   #15 
           - I love individual rights, but not when they are so out of control as to threaten public safety  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 08:03 PM   #17 
              - Yeah, let's just repeal the 2nd amendment  rl6214   Oct-29-11 08:43 PM   #22 
              - Thank you. I've been saying that for quite a while.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:05 PM   #24 
                 - Yeah, I didn't think I needed to post that little sarcasm thingy  rl6214   Oct-30-11 12:56 AM   #48 
                    - You call a solution seeker and problem solver an anti-gun zealot.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:18 PM   #62 
                       - Solution seeker and problem solver?  rl6214   Oct-31-11 12:58 AM   #95 
                          - I guess you still use Windows ME  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 12:33 PM   #100 
                             - Does that offend you, being labled an anti-gun zealot?  rl6214   Oct-31-11 02:00 PM   #101 
                                - It isn't true. I am not anti-gun. I support private gun ownership. I oppose toting in public  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 02:15 PM   #103 
                                   - What is "toting"? I see you post this all the time.  rl6214   Oct-31-11 02:18 PM   #104 
                                      - Toting is an English word meaning carrying. Sorry if you are unfamiliar with it.  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 06:23 PM   #106 
              - "so out of control as to threaten public safety"  PavePusher   Oct-29-11 09:29 PM   #32 
              - You don't get it. Do you?  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 12:14 PM   #60 
                 - In short, you DO want to restrict us....  PavePusher   Oct-30-11 01:47 PM   #68 
                    - I don't live in a black and white world.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:55 PM   #69 
                       - My concern was not with your ex-felon comment. I'm sure you can figure it out.  PavePusher   Oct-30-11 02:22 PM   #71 
                          - When it comes to human life, all is sacred.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 02:33 PM   #72 
                             - I disagree entirely with that.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:36 PM   #114 
              - You have yet to demonstrate...  beevul   Oct-30-11 01:52 AM   #49 
              - I think 100,000 shooting deaths and injuries a year is ample demonstration.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 12:53 PM   #61 
                 - Oh I'm sure you do.  beevul   Oct-31-11 06:20 AM   #97 
                    - And your solution would be what? Or do you not consider it a problem?  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 12:27 PM   #99 
                       - You figure out  rrneck   Oct-31-11 02:12 PM   #102 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-31-11 03:57 PM   #105 
                          - Thanks once again for proving my point.  Starboard Tack   Nov-01-11 02:18 PM   #108 
                          - You may want to check with fellow members before quoting them  Starboard Tack   Nov-01-11 02:24 PM   #109 
                             - I think your snark meter failed you.  beevul   Nov-01-11 02:40 PM   #110 
                                - You called out another member and accused him of advocating violence  Starboard Tack   Nov-01-11 03:49 PM   #111 
                                   - Bwaahahahahaha,  beevul   Nov-01-11 09:27 PM   #112 
                                      - Reread what? Oops!  Starboard Tack   Nov-02-11 01:47 AM   #113 
              - That they are 'out of control' is your opinion. Much indistinguishable from your asshole.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:04 AM   #50 
           - Do you realize  rrneck   Oct-29-11 07:50 PM   #16 
              - And as an artist yourself, I'm sure you appreciate it.  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 08:33 PM   #20 
                 - I didn't say it was good art.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 09:01 PM   #23 
                    - Hey, I agree with you on Kincaid, but as they say "Eye of the beholder..."  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:13 PM   #25 
                       - Bullshit.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 09:19 PM   #30 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-11 09:42 PM   #35 
                          - Ohhhhhhhhhh.  rrneck   Oct-29-11 09:52 PM   #39 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-30-11 01:47 PM   #67 
                             - Well then  rrneck   Oct-30-11 02:49 PM   #74 
                          - Another self-appointed political commissar...  Marengo   Oct-30-11 10:01 AM   #58 
                       - By the way...  rrneck   Oct-30-11 12:13 AM   #47 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-29-11 06:17 PM   #11 
  - Only carried, or used to blow someone away?  TheCowsCameHome   Oct-29-11 06:34 PM   #12 
  - You'll have to figure that one out  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:15 PM   #27 
  - firearms carried for self defense are just that...all other uses would be illegal.  ileus   Oct-29-11 08:05 PM   #18 
  - Really? Do cops carry for self-defense?  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:16 PM   #28 
     - I think most LEO's will tell you yes.  ileus   Oct-29-11 10:03 PM   #41 
     - Then that would be an excellent reason to disarm them first.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:21 PM   #63 
        - LE exists to enforce the law.  rrneck   Oct-30-11 03:25 PM   #75 
        - That is a huge problem, confusing LE with the purpose of a Police Officer  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 04:53 PM   #78 
           - From your post:  rrneck   Oct-30-11 05:45 PM   #81 
              - You find that funny? See anything about toting sidearms to accomplish that?  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 06:22 PM   #84 
                 - I find you funny.  rrneck   Oct-30-11 06:31 PM   #85 
                    - That is correct and the weapons were not guns.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 07:06 PM   #88 
                       - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-30-11 07:54 PM   #90 
        - No it isnt.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:38 PM   #115 
     - Yes. And in Washington State they are held to a higher bar for reasonable use to fire at someone, th  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:06 AM   #51 
     - Using a gun in self-defense is not necessarily the reason for carrying one.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:23 PM   #64 
        - Sure. I've carried as part of a haloween costume.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-31-11 12:52 AM   #93 
        - Its the only reason I carry one.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:39 PM   #116 
     - Yes, as well as the occasional offense  pipoman   Oct-30-11 07:20 AM   #55 
        - I think you are wrong. Cops carry to protect the public.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:29 PM   #65 
           - "The handgun is the primary weapon for defense against unexpected attack."  Kennah   Oct-30-11 03:25 PM   #76 
           - The FBI is not a police force in the conventional sense.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 05:01 PM   #79 
              - Not for general policing ...  Kennah   Oct-30-11 06:19 PM   #83 
                 - OK, let me try once again to explain my position on guns  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 07:00 PM   #86 
                 - Can you explain why ...  Kennah   Oct-30-11 08:50 PM   #91 
                 - Also, you do realize that we are royally pissing off some people ...  Kennah   Oct-30-11 11:35 PM   #92 
                 - Completely incoherent. nt  rrneck   Oct-31-11 11:40 AM   #98 
                 - OK, let me try once again to explain my position on guns  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 07:00 PM   #87 
           - Sophistry.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-31-11 12:54 AM   #94 
           - Here is where YOU are wrong. Police have NO DUTY to protect  rl6214   Oct-31-11 01:14 AM   #96 
           - Nope - you're wrong.  We_Have_A_Problem   Nov-04-11 12:40 PM   #117 
  - None of the above.  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Oct-29-11 08:38 PM   #21 
  - Hey, it's a poll. Do you have any ideas or independent thoughts?  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:19 PM   #29 
     - He just gave you one.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:06 AM   #52 
  - A Suffusion of Yellow (nt)  petronius   Oct-29-11 09:14 PM   #26 
  - Are we to assume from your response that you voted  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:22 PM   #31 
     - No, actually, you should not make that assumption  petronius   Oct-29-11 09:29 PM   #33 
     - OK, just wondered. Th yellow thing and all  Starboard Tack   Oct-29-11 09:43 PM   #36 
        - I don't follow - why would yellow suggest that choice in particular?  petronius   Oct-29-11 09:50 PM   #38 
           - Did you look at the poll? Yellow was used to denote that choice.  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 01:39 PM   #66 
              - No, I didn't expand the thread after the first look - but that wasn't the reference...  petronius   Oct-30-11 05:53 PM   #82 
     - It's a Dirk Gently reference  Euromutt   Oct-30-11 07:53 PM   #89 
        - Aha. Thank you for the explanation.  Starboard Tack   Oct-31-11 06:27 PM   #107 
  - Most defensive uses of guns do not result in a homicide  mmb713   Oct-29-11 09:41 PM   #34 
  - Another stat you left out  mmb713   Oct-29-11 09:49 PM   #37 
  - On the other hand  safeinOhio   Oct-30-11 02:17 PM   #70 
  - Do you realize how ludicrous your argument is?  Starboard Tack   Oct-30-11 04:12 PM   #77 
  - My EDC's are safety devices meant for saving lives...  ileus   Oct-29-11 10:01 PM   #40 
  - these people?  gejohnston   Oct-29-11 10:12 PM   #42 
  - Net savings of innocent life.  krispos42   Oct-29-11 10:29 PM   #43 
  - A glaring fallacy with your post is that you totally ignore the fact ...  spin   Oct-29-11 11:12 PM   #44 
  - Non-reported use is the one stat that would make things much more quantified  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-29-11 11:36 PM   #46 
     - I think I understand why some object to Kleck's numbers. I don't see why anyone would object to the  AtheistCrusader   Oct-30-11 03:09 AM   #53 
        - Problem is DOJ does not and arguable can not collect are those that do not involve discharges  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-30-11 09:46 AM   #56 
  - Interesting...  Callisto32   Oct-30-11 07:09 AM   #54 
  - It will save more innocent lives.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Oct-30-11 10:22 AM   #59 
  - Verifiable stats for both Texas & Florida *prove* that concealed  Simo 1939_1940   Oct-30-11 02:37 PM   #73 
  - Are the lives of innocent people of the same value as those of violent criminals?  GreenStormCloud   Oct-30-11 05:09 PM   #80 

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