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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-11 08:04 AM
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39. What we want is answers
Edited on Sat Oct-15-11 08:06 AM by one-eyed fat man
This was not a rogue operation of one field office of the ATF. Newell, the Agent in Charge, when the street agents complained about letting the smugglers cross the border, told them the operation had been cleared up the chain to Washington. Unlike you, they knew there could be no sting without surveillance. No matter how many times and by how many people it has been pointed out to you, you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge the fatal flaw in the whole Fast and Furious operation.

So who approved it? The Director of the ATF said it came from above him. Who does ATF work for? Justice. Who is the AG? Holder.

The FBI had some involvement, they do the NICS checks. ATF has dealers to make sales to straw buyers and the FBI dummies the NICS checks. Who does the FBI work for? Justice. Who is the AG? Holder

He's got some 'splaining to do, Lucy.

Field agents have risked their careers going to the media with their complaints. The Director of the ATF points the finger at Justice and is "reassigned." The US Attorney for Arizona is forced to resign. The NSA staffer in the White House who was getting back channel briefings from Newell is suddenly transferred to Iraq.

Why do you not only keep acting like you were born at night, but that it was last night?

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  -A sane persons guide to Fast and Furious DanTex  Oct-14-11 09:51 AM   #0 
  - Duplicate post  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-14-11 09:57 AM   #1 
  - What a farce  Lurks Often   Oct-14-11 10:22 AM   #2 
  - You state exactly why we know there was no intent to trace  DissedByBush   Dec-08-11 09:10 PM   #98 
  - I have no idea why  gejohnston   Oct-14-11 10:51 AM   #3 
  - My question is where did the 65,000 number come from?  Glassunion   Oct-14-11 11:45 AM   #4 
  - Update on ATF foolishness  Remmah2   Oct-14-11 12:15 PM   #5 
  - Obviously we need to close the Grenade Show Loophole n/t  Nuclear Unicorn   Oct-20-11 02:31 PM   #93 
  - Holder is a liar..  Upton   Oct-14-11 12:53 PM   #6 
  - So-o-o, Dan, whatever happened to Sharyl Atkkisson (CBS)? She go insane? nt  SteveM   Oct-14-11 01:03 PM   #7 
  - Definitely not a tracking operation.  Atypical Liberal   Oct-14-11 01:54 PM   #8 
  - Conspiracy theories...  DanTex   Oct-14-11 05:22 PM   #12 
     - Only if you call CBS  gejohnston   Oct-14-11 06:01 PM   #13 
     - What are you talking about?  DanTex   Oct-14-11 06:04 PM   #14 
        - No it seems like  gejohnston   Oct-14-11 06:11 PM   #15 
     - That just doesn't hold water.  Atypical Liberal   Oct-14-11 06:12 PM   #17 
     - Really , tracking operation gone awry?  Oneka   Oct-14-11 08:05 PM   #21 
     - Actually, what we do know  Abq_Sarah   Oct-14-11 10:22 PM   #24 
  - That's what I think too. Thanks for posting and subjecting yourself to wrath of the gun obsessed.  Hoyt   Oct-14-11 02:27 PM   #9 
  - Explain to me  one-eyed fat man   Oct-14-11 04:06 PM   #10 
  - Objectively?  gejohnston   Oct-14-11 05:11 PM   #11 
  - Not when it comes to your precious guns -- that's for sure.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 12:19 AM   #32 
  - So you don't believe that people died as a result of the ATF operation, or that  Hoopla Phil   Oct-14-11 06:12 PM   #16 
  - "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" They protest too much, methinks  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-14-11 06:33 PM   #19 
  - I believe gun trafficking in this country is out of control. That's why it was done.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 12:12 AM   #30 
     - For the Nth time Hoyt, This was NO botched sting.  beevul   Oct-15-11 04:43 AM   #33 
     - So, I am not an apologist for the so-called "gun culture."  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 11:55 AM   #43 
        - Perhaps not, but you are a denier of reality, where F&F is concerned. N/T  beevul   Oct-15-11 03:24 PM   #61 
     - Oh boy, this is going to have to go line by line I guess.  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 01:59 PM   #55 
  - I'm old enough to remember when certain persons were very emphatic about describing Watergate as  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-14-11 06:26 PM   #18 
  - Hoyt, you also believe that a red dot sight is for long range sniping. n/t  oneshooter   Oct-14-11 06:54 PM   #20 
  - You believe red dots are to help you clear a room -- like you'd ever need to do that in your wildest  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 12:07 AM   #28 
     - why would we have to clear a room?  gejohnston   Oct-15-11 12:11 AM   #29 
     - If ;you are acting in the capacity of a policeman, no problem from me.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 11:51 AM   #41 
        - wannabe what?  gejohnston   Oct-15-11 01:42 PM   #51 
     - Old and busted =Clearing a room  Katya Mullethov   Oct-15-11 07:34 AM   #38 
     - That's what some gunner here said was the purpose of his red dot sights. BS I know, but he said it.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 11:52 AM   #42 
        - Got a link to this claimed post? We'll wait, as you have a donor star and can easily search for it.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-15-11 01:44 PM   #52 
        - You must be kidding!!!!  oneshooter   Oct-16-11 10:54 AM   #87 
           - Yeah, but it's just another example of his mouth writing a check that his ass can't cash n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-16-11 02:23 PM   #91 
              - Yes, like "dodge and shoot."  Straw Man   Dec-09-11 12:00 PM   #99 
        - Here, I'll attempt to educate you.  PavePusher   Oct-15-11 10:53 PM   #77 
     - No, not a fantasy. Done it numerous times for real. Urban combat is not  oneshooter   Dec-09-11 12:58 PM   #100 
  - So the folks who blew the whistle on this  Oneka   Oct-14-11 08:40 PM   #22 
  - No one is defending it. But gunners' attempts to bring down the whole administration is misplaced  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 12:18 AM   #31 
     - "No one is defending it" but those who investigate it are " on a witch hunt"  beevul   Oct-15-11 04:45 AM   #34 
     - What we want is answers  one-eyed fat man   Oct-15-11 08:04 AM   #39 
     - "No one is defending it." Really?  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 02:29 PM   #56 
  - You are mistaken, dear  Abq_Sarah   Oct-14-11 10:37 PM   #27 
  - Oh, you must be in a militia. I support the ACLU position on guns, particularly toting in public.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 11:48 AM   #40 
     - Do also support the ACLU  gejohnston   Oct-15-11 01:28 PM   #47 
     - I support the ACLU position also. See the link below  tortoise1956   Oct-15-11 01:58 PM   #54 
        - I support their National Policy on guns -- which will make many of you pucker.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 03:46 PM   #66 
  - Thank you Hoyt. You have nailed the critical bullshit of Bookman's piece.  aikoaiko   Oct-15-11 07:26 AM   #37 
  - Of course you qualify as a human attempting to imitate an ostrich ....  spin   Oct-15-11 03:14 PM   #60 
     - At least I just stick my head in the sand.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 10:05 PM   #73 
        - Hoyt, that is not sand you are sticking your head into. n/t  oneshooter   Oct-15-11 10:20 PM   #76 
           - Yeah.... warmer, wetter and more odorous... n/t  PavePusher   Oct-15-11 10:56 PM   #79 
              - Appreciate the first hand info.  Hoyt   Oct-16-11 12:01 AM   #81 
                 - You can google insructions for safe removal. n/t  oneshooter   Oct-16-11 10:56 AM   #88 
                 - We are talking to you....  PavePusher   Oct-16-11 10:59 AM   #89 
  - A big fat Scotsman...  Straw Man   Oct-14-11 09:35 PM   #23 
  - F&F ranges from dumb-assed to criminal  Kennah   Oct-14-11 10:24 PM   #25 
  - It's got nothing to do with these right wing conspiracies and everything  rl6214   Oct-14-11 10:29 PM   #26 
  - You would be laughed off of  Tejas   Oct-15-11 06:02 AM   #35 
  - Bookman: Theres no question that F&F represents a serious failure of federal law enforcement  aikoaiko   Oct-15-11 07:19 AM   #36 
  - Well, they've indicted over 30 suspects who were trafficking guns -- that sounds pretty good to me.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 12:35 PM   #44 
     - You really love the "you're either with us or against" posturing, dont you?  aikoaiko   Oct-15-11 01:13 PM   #46 
     - Like I said and you confirmed, any threat to the gun pipeline worries you guys.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 01:36 PM   #48 
        - Well, we agree that more needs to be done to stop gun running into Mexico.  aikoaiko   Oct-15-11 02:47 PM   #59 
           - Too bad you don't look at guns in public the same way when they contribute to deaths..  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 03:36 PM   #62 
              - Violations of law should be prosecuted. Do you believe that the ATF  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 04:11 PM   #70 
     - "they've indicted over 30 suspects  Oneka   Oct-15-11 01:40 PM   #50 
        - Why, that's less than four deaths per indictment! I can't understand why people are complaining...  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-15-11 01:49 PM   #53 
        - Again, too bad you don't express the same moral outrage when some gun nut kills someone.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 03:38 PM   #63 
           - Again, do you believe that the ATF violated U.S. laws, Mexican laws, and/or International laws  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 04:10 PM   #69 
  - Story needs update to include "sane" outlook on walking grenades. nt  SteveM   Oct-15-11 12:40 PM   #45 
  - You mean the guy who was made an informant.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 01:37 PM   #49 
     - And exported the parts for 2,000 grenades:  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-15-11 02:34 PM   #57 
        - Some people really do believe that you can't make an omelet without  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 02:38 PM   #58 
        - Too bad you don't get enraged when some gun nut shoots someone without reason.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 03:40 PM   #65 
           - LOL, "gun nut". How quaint. Say, don't you have some questions to answer?  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 04:01 PM   #67 
           - Do you get enraged when someone gets busted w/ child porn on their computer?  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-15-11 10:04 PM   #72 
              - I do get enraged, and I see no reason to have such photos at home or strapped to my body.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 10:07 PM   #74 
                 - You never did answer those questions  Hoopla Phil   Oct-16-11 08:08 PM   #92 
        - Yep, they were trying to get to the people who ordered the use of deadly weapons.  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 03:39 PM   #64 
           - By giving them deadly weapons? How did that work out again?  Hoopla Phil   Oct-15-11 04:06 PM   #68 
           - No .. they really wern't  Oneka   Oct-15-11 06:29 PM   #71 
              - Thye've already indicted over 30 of them. They'll get more if you gunners would quit whining about  Hoyt   Oct-15-11 10:09 PM   #75 
                 - well, they are doing a lousy job  gejohnston   Oct-15-11 10:55 PM   #78 
                 - With no help from the "gun culture."  Hoyt   Oct-16-11 12:00 AM   #80 
                    - you forget  gejohnston   Oct-16-11 12:34 AM   #82 
                       - I disagree.  beevul   Oct-16-11 05:18 AM   #83 
                       - Some were. Some were selling with a big grin on their face and cash in their pocket.  Hoyt   Oct-16-11 10:19 AM   #86 
                 - And how many  Oneka   Oct-16-11 07:37 AM   #85 
  - If you have to use an ad hominem in the title to make your point, I'd say your point sucks  Euromutt   Oct-16-11 06:49 AM   #84 
  - CBS done gone nuts! nt  SteveM   Oct-16-11 02:19 PM   #90 
  - Next up: Giving Al Qaeda stinger missiles as part of an undercover operation.  chrisa   Oct-21-11 07:49 AM   #94 
  - UPDATE: "Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations"  friendly_iconoclast   Dec-07-11 09:37 PM   #95 
  - Damn those crickets are loud  gejohnston   Dec-08-11 05:08 PM   #96 
  - Not much activity in the day and a half  burf   Dec-09-11 01:02 PM   #101 
  - I found a photographic representation of this opinion piece  slackmaster   Dec-08-11 05:10 PM   #97 

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