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Fri Oct-14-11 12:15 PM
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| 5. Update on ATF foolishness |
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Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 12:15 PM by Remmah2
Sane people? Right  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/14/earlyshow/mai... "Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal (excerpt): "CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, who has reported on this story from the beginning, said on "The Early Show" that the investigation into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)'s so-called "Fast and Furious" operation branches out to a case involving grenades. Sources tell her a suspect was left to traffic and manufacture them for Mexican drug cartels. Police say Jean Baptiste Kingery, a U.S. citizen, was a veritable grenade machine. He's accused of smuggling parts for as many as 2,000 grenades into Mexico for killer drug cartels -- sometimes under the direct watch of U.S. law enforcement. " |
| -A sane person’s guide to ‘Fast and Furious’ |
DanTex |
Oct-14-11 09:51 AM |
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Duplicate post |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Oct-14-11 09:57 AM |
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What a farce |
Lurks Often |
Oct-14-11 10:22 AM |
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You state exactly why we know there was no intent to trace |
DissedByBush |
Dec-08-11 09:10 PM |
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I have no idea why |
gejohnston |
Oct-14-11 10:51 AM |
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My question is where did the 65,000 number come from? |
Glassunion |
Oct-14-11 11:45 AM |
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Update on ATF foolishness |
Remmah2 |
Oct-14-11 12:15 PM |
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Obviously we need to close the Grenade Show Loophole n/t |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Oct-20-11 02:31 PM |
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Holder is a liar.. |
Upton |
Oct-14-11 12:53 PM |
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So-o-o, Dan, whatever happened to Sharyl Atkkisson (CBS)? She go insane? nt |
SteveM |
Oct-14-11 01:03 PM |
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Definitely not a tracking operation. |
Atypical Liberal |
Oct-14-11 01:54 PM |
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Conspiracy theories... |
DanTex |
Oct-14-11 05:22 PM |
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Only if you call CBS |
gejohnston |
Oct-14-11 06:01 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
DanTex |
Oct-14-11 06:04 PM |
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No it seems like |
gejohnston |
Oct-14-11 06:11 PM |
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That just doesn't hold water. |
Atypical Liberal |
Oct-14-11 06:12 PM |
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Really , tracking operation gone awry? |
Oneka |
Oct-14-11 08:05 PM |
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Actually, what we do know |
Abq_Sarah |
Oct-14-11 10:22 PM |
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That's what I think too. Thanks for posting and subjecting yourself to wrath of the gun obsessed. |
Hoyt |
Oct-14-11 02:27 PM |
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Explain to me |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-14-11 04:06 PM |
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Objectively? |
gejohnston |
Oct-14-11 05:11 PM |
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Not when it comes to your precious guns -- that's for sure. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 12:19 AM |
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So you don't believe that people died as a result of the ATF operation, or that |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-14-11 06:12 PM |
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"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" They protest too much, methinks |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-14-11 06:33 PM |
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I believe gun trafficking in this country is out of control. That's why it was done. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 12:12 AM |
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For the Nth time Hoyt, This was NO botched sting. |
beevul |
Oct-15-11 04:43 AM |
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So, I am not an apologist for the so-called "gun culture." |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 11:55 AM |
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Perhaps not, but you are a denier of reality, where F&F is concerned. N/T |
beevul |
Oct-15-11 03:24 PM |
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Oh boy, this is going to have to go line by line I guess. |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 01:59 PM |
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I'm old enough to remember when certain persons were very emphatic about describing Watergate as |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-14-11 06:26 PM |
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Hoyt, you also believe that a red dot sight is for long range sniping. n/t |
oneshooter |
Oct-14-11 06:54 PM |
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You believe red dots are to help you clear a room -- like you'd ever need to do that in your wildest |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 12:07 AM |
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why would we have to clear a room? |
gejohnston |
Oct-15-11 12:11 AM |
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If ;you are acting in the capacity of a policeman, no problem from me. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 11:51 AM |
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wannabe what? |
gejohnston |
Oct-15-11 01:42 PM |
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Old and busted =Clearing a room |
Katya Mullethov |
Oct-15-11 07:34 AM |
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That's what some gunner here said was the purpose of his red dot sights. BS I know, but he said it. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 11:52 AM |
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Got a link to this claimed post? We'll wait, as you have a donor star and can easily search for it. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-15-11 01:44 PM |
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You must be kidding!!!! |
oneshooter |
Oct-16-11 10:54 AM |
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Yeah, but it's just another example of his mouth writing a check that his ass can't cash n/t |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-16-11 02:23 PM |
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Yes, like "dodge and shoot." |
Straw Man |
Dec-09-11 12:00 PM |
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Here, I'll attempt to educate you. |
PavePusher |
Oct-15-11 10:53 PM |
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No, not a fantasy. Done it numerous times for real. Urban combat is not |
oneshooter |
Dec-09-11 12:58 PM |
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So the folks who blew the whistle on this |
Oneka |
Oct-14-11 08:40 PM |
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No one is defending it. But gunners' attempts to bring down the whole administration is misplaced |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 12:18 AM |
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"No one is defending it" but those who investigate it are " on a witch hunt" |
beevul |
Oct-15-11 04:45 AM |
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What we want is answers |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-15-11 08:04 AM |
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"No one is defending it." Really? |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 02:29 PM |
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You are mistaken, dear |
Abq_Sarah |
Oct-14-11 10:37 PM |
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Oh, you must be in a militia. I support the ACLU position on guns, particularly toting in public. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 11:48 AM |
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Do also support the ACLU |
gejohnston |
Oct-15-11 01:28 PM |
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I support the ACLU position also. See the link below |
tortoise1956 |
Oct-15-11 01:58 PM |
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I support their National Policy on guns -- which will make many of you pucker. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 03:46 PM |
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Thank you Hoyt. You have nailed the critical bullshit of Bookman's piece. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-15-11 07:26 AM |
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Of course you qualify as a human attempting to imitate an ostrich .... |
spin |
Oct-15-11 03:14 PM |
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At least I just stick my head in the sand. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 10:05 PM |
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Hoyt, that is not sand you are sticking your head into. n/t |
oneshooter |
Oct-15-11 10:20 PM |
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Yeah.... warmer, wetter and more odorous... n/t |
PavePusher |
Oct-15-11 10:56 PM |
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Appreciate the first hand info. |
Hoyt |
Oct-16-11 12:01 AM |
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You can google insructions for safe removal. n/t |
oneshooter |
Oct-16-11 10:56 AM |
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We are talking to you.... |
PavePusher |
Oct-16-11 10:59 AM |
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A big fat Scotsman... |
Straw Man |
Oct-14-11 09:35 PM |
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F&F ranges from dumb-assed to criminal |
Kennah |
Oct-14-11 10:24 PM |
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It's got nothing to do with these right wing conspiracies and everything |
rl6214 |
Oct-14-11 10:29 PM |
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You would be laughed off of CUATF.org |
Tejas |
Oct-15-11 06:02 AM |
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Bookman: There’s no question that F&F represents a serious failure of federal law enforcement |
aikoaiko |
Oct-15-11 07:19 AM |
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Well, they've indicted over 30 suspects who were trafficking guns -- that sounds pretty good to me. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 12:35 PM |
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You really love the "you're either with us or against" posturing, dont you? |
aikoaiko |
Oct-15-11 01:13 PM |
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Like I said and you confirmed, any threat to the gun pipeline worries you guys. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 01:36 PM |
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Well, we agree that more needs to be done to stop gun running into Mexico. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-15-11 02:47 PM |
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Too bad you don't look at guns in public the same way when they contribute to deaths.. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 03:36 PM |
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Violations of law should be prosecuted. Do you believe that the ATF |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 04:11 PM |
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"they've indicted over 30 suspects |
Oneka |
Oct-15-11 01:40 PM |
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Why, that's less than four deaths per indictment! I can't understand why people are complaining... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-15-11 01:49 PM |
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Again, too bad you don't express the same moral outrage when some gun nut kills someone. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 03:38 PM |
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Again, do you believe that the ATF violated U.S. laws, Mexican laws, and/or International laws |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 04:10 PM |
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Story needs update to include "sane" outlook on walking grenades. nt |
SteveM |
Oct-15-11 12:40 PM |
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You mean the guy who was made an informant. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 01:37 PM |
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And exported the parts for 2,000 grenades: |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-15-11 02:34 PM |
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Some people really do believe that you can't make an omelet without |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 02:38 PM |
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Too bad you don't get enraged when some gun nut shoots someone without reason. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 03:40 PM |
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LOL, "gun nut". How quaint. Say, don't you have some questions to answer? |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 04:01 PM |
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Do you get enraged when someone gets busted w/ child porn on their computer? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Oct-15-11 10:04 PM |
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I do get enraged, and I see no reason to have such photos at home or strapped to my body. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 10:07 PM |
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You never did answer those questions |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-16-11 08:08 PM |
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Yep, they were trying to get to the people who ordered the use of deadly weapons. |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 03:39 PM |
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By giving them deadly weapons? How did that work out again? |
Hoopla Phil |
Oct-15-11 04:06 PM |
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No .. they really wern't |
Oneka |
Oct-15-11 06:29 PM |
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Thye've already indicted over 30 of them. They'll get more if you gunners would quit whining about |
Hoyt |
Oct-15-11 10:09 PM |
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well, they are doing a lousy job |
gejohnston |
Oct-15-11 10:55 PM |
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With no help from the "gun culture." |
Hoyt |
Oct-16-11 12:00 AM |
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you forget |
gejohnston |
Oct-16-11 12:34 AM |
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I disagree. |
beevul |
Oct-16-11 05:18 AM |
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Some were. Some were selling with a big grin on their face and cash in their pocket. |
Hoyt |
Oct-16-11 10:19 AM |
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And how many |
Oneka |
Oct-16-11 07:37 AM |
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If you have to use an ad hominem in the title to make your point, I'd say your point sucks |
Euromutt |
Oct-16-11 06:49 AM |
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CBS done gone nuts! nt |
SteveM |
Oct-16-11 02:19 PM |
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Next up: Giving Al Qaeda stinger missiles as part of an undercover operation. |
chrisa |
Oct-21-11 07:49 AM |
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UPDATE: "Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations" |
friendly_iconoclast |
Dec-07-11 09:37 PM |
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Damn those crickets are loud |
gejohnston |
Dec-08-11 05:08 PM |
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Not much activity in the day and a half |
burf |
Dec-09-11 01:02 PM |
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I found a photographic representation of this opinion piece |
slackmaster |
Dec-08-11 05:10 PM |
#97 |
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