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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:41 PM
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93. "But believing the left is 100% right... that's a stretch"
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 01:41 PM by iverglas
Not as much of a stretch as your assertion / implication / insinuation that I said I believed any such thing, or suggested that anyone else should.

It's really a pretty simple notion here.

When ALL the support for a particular public policy comes from the right wing, reasonable people assume there is a reason -- a reason why the right wing supports the policy and the left wing does not.

It isn't much of a stretch at all to infer that the left wing generally does not perceive the policy as being consistent with its values / goals.

One then, of course, does what one likes with the conclusion as to where on the political spectrum a particular policy finds itself most at home. Obviously, many people would be of the view that the left is virtually never right, and finding that a policy's natural environment was squarely on the left of the spectrum would not recommend it to them.

Determining why the left likes a policy, and why the right doesn't, is of course the essential step in determining whether one likes it one's self, if one can't figure that out without assistance. If the policy is consistent with left-wing concern for the public welfare and the left's desire to promote the public welfare, and not consistent with right-wing concern for self-interest and the right's desire to eliminate regulation of conduct, that may help assess the policy.

Not sure what it is you ain't gettin here, or what you're gettin at, at all.

typos, typos ...
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  -Was "Fast and Furious" a ploy to discredit the firearm industry/enthusiast community? GSLevel9  Oct-05-11 06:37 PM   #0 
  - That's one theory. Another is that it was used to funnel guns into a  Hoopla Phil   Oct-05-11 06:41 PM   #1 
  - I find it plausible...  Iktomiwicasa   Oct-05-11 07:15 PM   #3 
  - If it was, it was a misfire  tularetom   Oct-05-11 06:50 PM   #2 
  - Heh...  Iktomiwicasa   Oct-05-11 07:16 PM   #4 
  - It was a major FSCKUP at best  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-05-11 07:46 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-05-11 07:33 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-05-11 07:57 PM   #8 
  - The gang that couldnt shoot straight  Katya Mullethov   Oct-05-11 07:38 PM   #6 
  - LOVE YOUR SOURCE!  iverglas   Oct-06-11 09:03 AM   #13 
  - Gotta love that genetic fallacy.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 11:33 AM   #14 
  - gotta love the oft-noted fact  iverglas   Oct-06-11 12:57 PM   #20 
     - Like those well-known reactionaries the Panthers (White *and* Black), Rob Williams, et cetera, etc..  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 02:49 PM   #24 
     - you speak for the dead?  iverglas   Oct-06-11 06:48 PM   #46 
     - And nobody in the GLBT forum has ever been able to cite anything but LW opinion  krispos42   Oct-06-11 04:16 PM   #32 
     - yes .. and your point was ...  iverglas   Oct-06-11 06:54 PM   #47 
        - This presumes that being left is automatically better.  krispos42   Oct-07-11 05:31 PM   #77 
           - "But believing the left is 100% right... that's a stretch"  iverglas   Oct-08-11 01:41 PM   #93 
              - It's still a stretch.  krispos42   Oct-08-11 08:09 PM   #102 
     - Genetic fallacy, now begging the question.  Callisto32   Oct-07-11 05:00 AM   #61 
        - a little internet is a dangerous thing  iverglas   Oct-07-11 02:23 PM   #64 
           - No true Scotsmen, eh? nt  SteveM   Oct-07-11 02:45 PM   #69 
           - Press 'em hard enough, and the inner inquisitor/zampolit comes out.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-07-11 06:02 PM   #80 
              - "Press 'em..."? Hell you can't keep 'em out with an electric fence and a flamethrower... n/t  PavePusher   Oct-08-11 10:06 AM   #85 
              - what I've yet to see  iverglas   Oct-08-11 12:32 PM   #89 
                 - Hahahahahaha!!! Whew.......  PavePusher   Oct-08-11 02:34 PM   #97 
           - Thankfully, we have your voice of authority to sort these things for us.  PavePusher   Oct-08-11 10:05 AM   #84 
              - "authority"?  iverglas   Oct-08-11 12:32 PM   #90 
  - No need to yell  Katya Mullethov   Oct-06-11 12:41 PM   #19 
  - "Father, forgive them, for they apparently are not well educated enough...  Callisto32   Oct-07-11 04:59 AM   #60 
     - And despite all the obfuscation ,stonewalling ,and attempted manipulation  Katya Mullethov   Oct-07-11 10:49 AM   #63 
     - ... to think they can pass of shit as sugar  iverglas   Oct-07-11 02:25 PM   #65 
        - And how would we ever recognise "a pile of steaming stinking right-wing shit"...  PavePusher   Oct-08-11 10:10 AM   #86 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-08-11 10:58 AM   #87 
           - just for the record  iverglas   Oct-08-11 01:45 PM   #94 
              - Do you own a smelter?  PavePusher   Oct-08-11 02:31 PM   #96 
  - It wasn't for a lack of trying...we're just lucky the 2A wasn't hit....yet.  ileus   Oct-06-11 08:22 PM   #51 
  - I believe it was going to be a desired side effect to gather support for the AWB.  ileus   Oct-05-11 08:35 PM   #9 
  - I go by what the pols and pundits are saying  DissedByBush   Oct-05-11 10:32 PM   #10 
  - Well put.  ileus   Oct-06-11 07:54 AM   #11 
  - Yes, even the windage from WaPo has become a mere zephyr. nt  SteveM   Oct-07-11 02:48 PM   #70 
  - I wonder if they are still "working on something (for gun control) under the radar"?  DonP   Oct-06-11 08:28 AM   #12 
  - Personally I don't think so... However, when it first started to unravel  Glassunion   Oct-06-11 11:45 AM   #15 
  - F&F conspiracy theories  DanTex   Oct-06-11 11:55 AM   #16 
  - You need to come by more often  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 12:30 PM   #17 
  - Mentioning non-Fox sources of F&F info wrecks the genetic fallacy  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 03:04 PM   #25 
  - Are there any non-Fox sources peddling the conspiracy theory?  DanTex   Oct-06-11 03:17 PM   #26 
     - See post #27 for a few. Then again, you may be correct about its importance.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 03:21 PM   #28 
     - Link please.  DanTex   Oct-06-11 03:24 PM   #30 
        - It is a what if session  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 04:20 PM   #34 
           - Umm... yes, it's a conspiracy theory.  DanTex   Oct-06-11 04:42 PM   #35 
              - Yes I know  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 04:52 PM   #38 
     - where do you base the  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 04:47 PM   #36 
  - do you work hard not to grasp points?  iverglas   Oct-06-11 06:41 PM   #45 
  - Oh I was thinking of the time  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 08:06 PM   #49 
  - I note also the L.A. Times has for some odd reason persisted with coverage. nt  SteveM   Oct-07-11 02:50 PM   #71 
  - No conspiracy is complete  Katya Mullethov   Oct-06-11 12:39 PM   #18 
  - "Without some mention of the Jews"  iverglas   Oct-06-11 02:19 PM   #23 
  - I knew there were good reasons  iverglas   Oct-06-11 02:08 PM   #21 
  - the cartoon in post 6  iverglas   Oct-06-11 02:13 PM   #22 
  - Media Matters  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 03:22 PM   #29 
     - Media Matters is biased...  DanTex   Oct-06-11 03:26 PM   #31 
     - want to see the list again?  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 04:17 PM   #33 
     - Just one link will do.  DanTex   Oct-06-11 04:51 PM   #37 
        - I was never aware that  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 05:03 PM   #39 
        - Don't you know the fact that Fox is pushing it invalidates it?  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 05:44 PM   #41 
        - A $25 dollar donation to DU will allow you to search, you know..  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 05:40 PM   #40 
           - And then there's "Obama Looking For Ways Around Congress On Gun Policy"  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 05:57 PM   #42 
           - Lordy! Are you even paying attention?  DanTex   Oct-06-11 06:25 PM   #43 
              - "Was 'Fast and Furious' a ploy to discredit the firearm industry/enthusiast community?"  iverglas   Oct-06-11 07:03 PM   #48 
              - There is no evidence. Simply well-founded speculation.  Atypical Liberal   Oct-07-11 08:04 AM   #62 
              - Nicely done exposition. If anyone is serious about determining...  SteveM   Oct-07-11 03:09 PM   #73 
              - Oh I get it! This is another one of those "#IDontHaveFactsToBackThisUp" twitter jokes...  DanTex   Oct-07-11 05:39 PM   #78 
              - A stunning intellectual rebuttal, Dan.  Atypical Liberal   Oct-07-11 07:43 PM   #82 
                 - Arming an insurgency to prevent further unrest ?  Katya Mullethov   Oct-07-11 08:42 PM   #83 
                    - Can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing.  Atypical Liberal   Oct-08-11 12:07 PM   #88 
                       - A history of saying A , while doing B ....yes  Katya Mullethov   Oct-08-11 02:19 PM   #95 
                          - Not sure what "it" is...  Atypical Liberal   Oct-08-11 04:20 PM   #98 
                             - The old game was arm whomever was killing Commies  Katya Mullethov   Oct-09-11 08:54 PM   #103 
              - this really is quite astounding  iverglas   Oct-08-11 01:31 PM   #92 
              - So, if a "lefty"-type speculates there is a plot, you'll buy it?  SteveM   Oct-07-11 02:59 PM   #72 
                 - Since there are no sane people who believe in this F&F conspiracy...  DanTex   Oct-07-11 03:16 PM   #74 
                    - Oh! Thank god! I'm merely speculating. Thought I was insane for a moment. nt  SteveM   Oct-07-11 03:42 PM   #75 
     - and your point is what  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 08:30 PM   #54 
     - joking right?  gejohnston   Oct-08-11 01:14 PM   #91 
     - um  iverglas   Oct-06-11 06:39 PM   #44 
        - to answer your question  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 08:12 PM   #50 
           - what are you yammering about????  iverglas   Oct-06-11 08:23 PM   #52 
              - Either made it up or  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 08:36 PM   #55 
                 - omg you are unbelievable  iverglas   Oct-06-11 09:08 PM   #56 
                 - No what I said was  gejohnston   Oct-06-11 10:01 PM   #58 
                    - "You picked the source that had nothing to back it up"  iverglas   Oct-07-11 02:41 PM   #68 
                       - I did not see  gejohnston   Oct-07-11 04:39 PM   #76 
                 - Now you stop that yammering.  ileus   Oct-06-11 09:31 PM   #57 
                    - But yammering is what I do best  gejohnston   Oct-08-11 04:53 PM   #99 
                       - And admittedly you are very good at it. n/t  oneshooter   Oct-08-11 05:07 PM   #100 
                          - gee thanks, I guess? nt  gejohnston   Oct-08-11 06:01 PM   #101 
  - Oh, I'm sure your explanations of F&F are *entirely* disinterested.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-06-11 03:18 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-06-11 08:26 PM   #53 
  - Alice, cupidity, alice, cupidity, loves me, loves me not  iverglas   Oct-07-11 02:34 PM   #66 
  - Can you come up with a more biased source to link to?  rl6214   Oct-07-11 04:16 AM   #59 
     - So that video of the appalling person ranting in front of an adoring crowd ...  iverglas   Oct-07-11 02:36 PM   #67 
  - F & F was...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Oct-07-11 05:45 PM   #79 
  - now that we have the far right's theory  gejohnston   Oct-07-11 06:06 PM   #81 

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