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28. To be fair it does seem logical that allowing people to own and carry firearms ...
would result in a tremendous increase in the murder rate and violent crime caused by firearms.

When "shall issue" concealed carry first passed in Florida in 1987, I suspected that it would cause some problems. I didn't expect shootouts on Main Street at high noon or at every red light, but I anticipate some increase in unnecessary shootings caused by those who had obtained concealed weapons permits.

It didn't happen.

In the last few years the sales of firearms has skyrocketed and many of these firearms are high capacity semi-auto rifles and pistols. It seems logical that we should be seeing the results of selling 14,000,000 firearms in 2009 alone by now. At a minimum, the violent crime rate should have skyrocketed or at least increased dramatically. source: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/01/13/gun-owners-buy-14-mi... /

Once again, it didn't happen.

Despite the spread of "shall issue" concealed carry across our nation and the sales of firearms, the violent crime has decreased.


Violent Crime in U.S. Down 12% in 2010
By AP / PETE YOST Friday, Sept. 16, 201

WASHINGTON) — The number of violent crimes fell by a surprising 12 percent in the United States last year, a far bigger drop than the nation has been averaging since 2001, the Justice Department said.

The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported there were 3.8 million violent crimes last year, down from 4.3 million in 2009.

***snip***

From 1993 through 2010, the rate of violent crime has declined by a whopping 70 percent: from 49.9 violent crimes per 1,000 persons age 12 or older to only 14.9 per 1,000 in 2010.

Half of this decline came between 1993 and 2001. Between 2001 and 2009, violent crime declined at a more modest annual average of 4 percent, but that rate decline jumped to 13 percent in 2010.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2093620,...



FBI Releases 2010 Crime Statistics
Washington, D.C. September 19, 2011

According to the figures released today by the FBI, the estimated number of violent crimes in 2010 declined for the fourth consecutive year. Property crimes also decreased, marking this the eighth straight year that the collective estimates for these offenses declined.

The 2010 statistics show that the estimated volumes of violent and property crimes declined 6.0 percent and 2.7 percent, respectively, when compared with the 2009 estimates. The violent crime rate for the year was 403.6 offenses per 100,000 inhabitants (a 6.5 percent decrease from the 2009 rate), and the property crime rate was 2,941.9 offenses per 100,000 persons (a 3.3 percent decrease from the 2009 figure).

These and additional data are presented in the 2010 edition of the FBI’s annual report Crime in the United States. This publication is a statistical compilation of offense and arrest data reported by law enforcement agencies voluntarily participating in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program.

***snip***

Each of the four violent crime offenses decreased when compared with the 2009 estimates. Robbery had the largest decrease at 10.0 percent, followed by forcible rape with a 5.0 percent decline, murder and nonnegligent manslaughter with a 4.2 percent decrease, and aggravated assault with a 4.1 percent decline.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-rel...


While it goes against logic, statistics show that more guns and more concealed weapons permit do not cause more crime. More guns and more carry permits may in fact be one of the main reasons that the violent crime rate has fallen so dramatically, but that is impossible to prove.
















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  -Iraq Vet Beats Up Girlfriend and Shoots Cop mikeb302000  Oct-03-11 12:14 AM   #0 
  - Perhaps you can clarify: are you suggesting that this man's PTSD is bogus? Based on what?  petronius   Oct-03-11 12:31 AM   #1 
  - not all. that was hyperbole for emphasis.  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 02:14 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-03-11 08:19 AM   #12 
  - why can't you use you head just a little bit?  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:25 PM   #29 
  - "Hyperbole for emphasis" - what exactly are you emphasizing?  petronius   Oct-03-11 09:42 AM   #19 
  - What I'm emphasizing is this  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:32 PM   #30 
     - Legions of vets scamming the VA system?  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-03-11 02:57 PM   #38 
     - You can see this all the way from italy?  rl6214   Oct-03-11 06:01 PM   #46 
     - Another faith-promoting rumor from you. You haven't been at a VA hospital for 20+ years, if ever.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-04-11 01:13 PM   #50 
  - Ah, more hyperbole  rl6214   Oct-03-11 05:59 PM   #45 
  - Here in IL  kurtzapril4   Oct-03-11 11:12 PM   #49 
  - He calls it "hyperbole." I call it a tail-wagging Labrador Retriever fart. nt  SteveM   Oct-04-11 01:22 PM   #51 
  - He knows it all, just ask.  jeepnstein   Oct-03-11 08:18 AM   #11 
  - What relevance is a concealed carry license?  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 01:03 AM   #2 
  - it' snot so bizarre really  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 02:17 AM   #5 
     - So you're saying he did have his CHP, and was carrying in public when this happened?  ileus   Oct-03-11 08:21 AM   #13 
     - No, they don't go unchecked.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 09:23 AM   #16 
     - sure Florida is really good about this huh?  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:38 PM   #31 
        - Revocations come from both directions.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 02:19 PM   #36 
        - not exactly  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 02:27 PM   #37 
     - My "unbelievable stats" come from the State of Florida web page on concealed carry ...  spin   Oct-03-11 10:59 AM   #23 
     - True Believers don't *need* factual accuracy- They've got a Higher Truth.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-03-11 11:51 AM   #27 
        - To be fair it does seem logical that allowing people to own and carry firearms ...  spin   Oct-03-11 01:05 PM   #28 
           - now that's a controlled experiment. nt  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:40 PM   #32 
     - How would *you* know? There's no indication he had a CHP in the article you linked to.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-03-11 11:46 AM   #26 
  - I think men who do this are mentally ill, but also smart enough  TheDebbieDee   Oct-03-11 01:29 AM   #3 
  - absolutely.  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 02:18 AM   #6 
     - How about the people who keep our young people in wars  Eddie Haskell   Oct-03-11 07:03 AM   #9 
     - the worst. nt  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:42 PM   #33 
     - show us one  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 08:46 AM   #14 
     - I don't think anyone here can really speak to the strawmen in your head.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 09:24 AM   #17 
  - Crazy people shouldn't have concealed carry permits, or guns for that matter.....  ingac70   Oct-03-11 05:52 AM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-03-11 06:36 AM   #8 
  - Looks like it's time to update King Mikes "those that can't own guns" list  ileus   Oct-03-11 07:26 AM   #10 
  - I've know(n) tough ex-Marines like this..."  PavePusher   Oct-03-11 08:46 AM   #15 
  - Sure, Italy send +3,000 troops into Iraq.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 09:28 AM   #18 
  - unfortunately, the stats go Mike''s way  azureblue   Oct-03-11 10:09 AM   #20 
  - I see your point but  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 10:29 AM   #21 
  - why not do the research?  iverglas   Oct-03-11 11:45 AM   #25 
     - using their statistics  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 01:59 PM   #34 
        - what are you talking about???  iverglas   Oct-03-11 04:02 PM   #39 
           - the original post was specifically  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 05:31 PM   #42 
              - now read post 20 again  iverglas   Oct-03-11 05:55 PM   #43 
                 - I did, and  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 07:07 PM   #47 
  - "But how?" Well - let's see...  jmg257   Oct-03-11 10:41 AM   #22 
  - the huge distinction between Canada etc. and the US  iverglas   Oct-03-11 11:35 AM   #24 
     - how about total murders?  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 02:02 PM   #35 
        - WHAT about total murders???  iverglas   Oct-03-11 04:03 PM   #40 
           - regardless of weapon of course.  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 04:23 PM   #41 
  - "I'm the first one to talk about shared responsibility"  rl6214   Oct-03-11 05:56 PM   #44 
  - update  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 08:16 PM   #48 
 

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