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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-11 10:29 AM
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21. I see your point but
what is the total murder rate? You will find that Switzerland and Norway have lower murder rates than UK. UK also has the highest violent crime rate in Europe if not the world. Firearms are used in only one third of Canada's murders.
What is "advanced" and why does it matter in this discussion? The only reason I can think of is to filter out countries that have very strict UK style gun laws but have higher murder rates than we do. Mexico, Jamaica, Costa Rica, and Belize come to mind. I would define both Russia and South Africa as "advanced" yet South Africa makes us look like Singapore. While Russia has very few firearms homicides, their murder rate is still 4-5 times ours.
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  -Iraq Vet Beats Up Girlfriend and Shoots Cop mikeb302000  Oct-03-11 12:14 AM   #0 
  - Perhaps you can clarify: are you suggesting that this man's PTSD is bogus? Based on what?  petronius   Oct-03-11 12:31 AM   #1 
  - not all. that was hyperbole for emphasis.  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 02:14 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-03-11 08:19 AM   #12 
  - why can't you use you head just a little bit?  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:25 PM   #29 
  - "Hyperbole for emphasis" - what exactly are you emphasizing?  petronius   Oct-03-11 09:42 AM   #19 
  - What I'm emphasizing is this  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:32 PM   #30 
     - Legions of vets scamming the VA system?  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-03-11 02:57 PM   #38 
     - You can see this all the way from italy?  rl6214   Oct-03-11 06:01 PM   #46 
     - Another faith-promoting rumor from you. You haven't been at a VA hospital for 20+ years, if ever.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-04-11 01:13 PM   #50 
  - Ah, more hyperbole  rl6214   Oct-03-11 05:59 PM   #45 
  - Here in IL  kurtzapril4   Oct-03-11 11:12 PM   #49 
  - He calls it "hyperbole." I call it a tail-wagging Labrador Retriever fart. nt  SteveM   Oct-04-11 01:22 PM   #51 
  - He knows it all, just ask.  jeepnstein   Oct-03-11 08:18 AM   #11 
  - What relevance is a concealed carry license?  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 01:03 AM   #2 
  - it' snot so bizarre really  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 02:17 AM   #5 
     - So you're saying he did have his CHP, and was carrying in public when this happened?  ileus   Oct-03-11 08:21 AM   #13 
     - No, they don't go unchecked.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 09:23 AM   #16 
     - sure Florida is really good about this huh?  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:38 PM   #31 
        - Revocations come from both directions.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 02:19 PM   #36 
        - not exactly  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 02:27 PM   #37 
     - My "unbelievable stats" come from the State of Florida web page on concealed carry ...  spin   Oct-03-11 10:59 AM   #23 
     - True Believers don't *need* factual accuracy- They've got a Higher Truth.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-03-11 11:51 AM   #27 
        - To be fair it does seem logical that allowing people to own and carry firearms ...  spin   Oct-03-11 01:05 PM   #28 
           - now that's a controlled experiment. nt  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:40 PM   #32 
     - How would *you* know? There's no indication he had a CHP in the article you linked to.  friendly_iconoclast   Oct-03-11 11:46 AM   #26 
  - I think men who do this are mentally ill, but also smart enough  TheDebbieDee   Oct-03-11 01:29 AM   #3 
  - absolutely.  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 02:18 AM   #6 
     - How about the people who keep our young people in wars  Eddie Haskell   Oct-03-11 07:03 AM   #9 
     - the worst. nt  mikeb302000   Oct-03-11 01:42 PM   #33 
     - show us one  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 08:46 AM   #14 
     - I don't think anyone here can really speak to the strawmen in your head.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 09:24 AM   #17 
  - Crazy people shouldn't have concealed carry permits, or guns for that matter.....  ingac70   Oct-03-11 05:52 AM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-03-11 06:36 AM   #8 
  - Looks like it's time to update King Mikes "those that can't own guns" list  ileus   Oct-03-11 07:26 AM   #10 
  - I've know(n) tough ex-Marines like this..."  PavePusher   Oct-03-11 08:46 AM   #15 
  - Sure, Italy send +3,000 troops into Iraq.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-03-11 09:28 AM   #18 
  - unfortunately, the stats go Mike''s way  azureblue   Oct-03-11 10:09 AM   #20 
  - I see your point but  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 10:29 AM   #21 
  - why not do the research?  iverglas   Oct-03-11 11:45 AM   #25 
     - using their statistics  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 01:59 PM   #34 
        - what are you talking about???  iverglas   Oct-03-11 04:02 PM   #39 
           - the original post was specifically  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 05:31 PM   #42 
              - now read post 20 again  iverglas   Oct-03-11 05:55 PM   #43 
                 - I did, and  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 07:07 PM   #47 
  - "But how?" Well - let's see...  jmg257   Oct-03-11 10:41 AM   #22 
  - the huge distinction between Canada etc. and the US  iverglas   Oct-03-11 11:35 AM   #24 
     - how about total murders?  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 02:02 PM   #35 
        - WHAT about total murders???  iverglas   Oct-03-11 04:03 PM   #40 
           - regardless of weapon of course.  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 04:23 PM   #41 
  - "I'm the first one to talk about shared responsibility"  rl6214   Oct-03-11 05:56 PM   #44 
  - update  gejohnston   Oct-03-11 08:16 PM   #48 

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