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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-11 05:18 PM
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153. 163,000 UK knife crimes (yeah, that worked REAL well)
http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323

2006

In England and Wales alone discounting Scotland there were over 163 thousand knife crimes.





Let me guess, you'd suggest banning edged weapons too?
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  -Once again, how would the pro-gun control people get rid 300 million guns at this point? Logical  Sep-06-11 06:39 PM   #0 
  - Pass a law, make them illegal.  ChandlerJr   Sep-06-11 06:42 PM   #1 
  - LOL, and then who will be the only armed people? Think hard!  Logical   Sep-06-11 06:43 PM   #4 
  - That's what happened in the UK and it worked.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 09:42 AM   #79 
     - 163,000 UK knife crimes (yeah, that worked REAL well)  Tejas   Sep-07-11 05:18 PM   #153 
     - Aren't stats wonderful?  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 02:32 PM   #188 
        - Wrong conclusion  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 03:27 PM   #193 
           - So let's add UK gun deaths and knife deaths.  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 04:05 PM   #194 
              - In terms of raw homicide numbers  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 04:18 PM   #195 
     - The UK never had a lot of guns to begin with. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Sep-07-11 05:48 PM   #163 
        - Smarter than they look aren't they? Sold them all to us.  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 02:46 PM   #190 
  - How would you pay for them? That pesky Fifth Amendment !  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 07:15 PM   #31 
  - If they were banned, then they would no longer have a fair market value.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 10:06 AM   #86 
     - Doesn't QUITE work that way.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 10:12 AM   #89 
     - Their intrinsic value has no bearing, only their fair market value, which would be zero.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 10:28 AM   #93 
        - Sorry but again, you're wrong.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 10:58 AM   #98 
           - It may matter to you, but illegal goods have no official market value.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 11:29 AM   #100 
              - UK != US  X_Digger   Sep-07-11 11:55 AM   #104 
              - Once again,  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 12:13 PM   #108 
              - What you say makes a lot of sense. However, it isn't always how it works.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 03:00 PM   #123 
                 - Lets take a look at that shall we?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:20 PM   #135 
                    - I have friends and family in WV who would strongly disagree with you.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 03:26 PM   #140 
                       - They can disagree all they want  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:30 PM   #141 
              - illegal goods have no official market value  sylveste   Sep-08-11 12:15 AM   #180 
                 - Never heard of that one. But it has nothing to do with "Fair market value"  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 01:41 PM   #184 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-07-11 08:25 PM   #173 
  - Make all guns illegal. Ask citizens to turn them in. Watch what happens. (n/t)  spin   Sep-06-11 09:13 PM   #52 
  - Probably nothing, unless the cops went knocking on doors ...  Kennah   Sep-07-11 01:12 AM   #72 
  - What do you think will happen?  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 10:10 AM   #88 
     - In short...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 10:13 AM   #90 
     - That's a pretty sad indictment of the most "law abiding" of our citizens.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 10:35 AM   #95 
        - I dont see it that way  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 10:56 AM   #96 
        - I think you live in a fantasy, but you have a vested interest in the proliferation of guns.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 11:39 AM   #101 
           - Excuse me?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 11:49 AM   #102 
              - How would you be able to sell your Pistol Pads without criminals using guns?  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 12:08 PM   #106 
                 - WTF are you talking about?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 12:14 PM   #109 
                    - Oops, my bad. Had you confused with another poster.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 12:33 PM   #110 
                       - Apology accepted for the confusion  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 12:39 PM   #112 
                          - No, he isn't marketing to criminals. He is marketing fear.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 03:09 PM   #128 
                             - Ironically...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:14 PM   #133 
                                - I thought you didn't know what a Pistol Pad was. Looked it up, did ya?  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 03:23 PM   #137 
                                   - Yeah I looked it up.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:25 PM   #139 
                                      - LOL I'm impressed at your trying to keep up with me. It must be tough.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 04:13 PM   #145 
                                         - This illustrates your problem: You insult a group of people, but expect that they won't oppose you.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-07-11 05:22 PM   #155 
                                         - Don't buy into the framing..  X_Digger   Sep-07-11 05:42 PM   #161 
                                         - Hey, I don't blame you for being pissed. I would be too.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 07:02 PM   #170 
                                         - I'm trying to keep up with your hairbrained idea of  Tejas   Sep-07-11 05:25 PM   #157 
                                            - Hey. Easy come easy go and criminals don't get a pass.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 09:53 PM   #177 
        - Only a coward won't fight for his/her civil rights/liberties...  pipoman   Sep-07-11 07:15 PM   #171 
           - Let us know how it works out for you.  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 02:49 PM   #191 
     - Some people would turn their firearms in but many would not ...  spin   Sep-07-11 12:36 PM   #111 
     - Pretty much...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 12:57 PM   #120 
     - I think you are missing the point.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 03:16 PM   #134 
        - Not missing the point at all...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:21 PM   #136 
        - Banning handguns and semi-automatic long guns would make me very happy.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 03:32 PM   #142 
           - At least you finally admit it  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:37 PM   #143 
              - You don't have to figure out who owns them until you see them.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 04:22 PM   #146 
                 - Just because you don't personally see a use for something  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 04:35 PM   #147 
                    - Smaller non-lethal options exist. Mace, pepper spray, tasers etc.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 04:58 PM   #150 
                       - So would I....  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 05:15 PM   #151 
        - Gun owners would believe the banning would eventually lead to confiscation ...  spin   Sep-07-11 03:44 PM   #144 
        - What are the weapons that you would ban and why?  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 04:52 PM   #149 
           - I would ban none.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 05:17 PM   #152 
           - Winchester has been out of business for 5= years. Need to keep up with the times. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 06:00 PM   #165 
           - Maybe you need to let them know, because they don't seem to be aware of it.  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 09:46 PM   #175 
           - You didn't mention handguns ...  spin   Sep-07-11 06:46 PM   #169 
              - "Would you allow semi-auto pistols or revolvers? "  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 09:51 PM   #176 
                 - So it does appear to me that you would prefer gun control laws...  spin   Sep-08-11 11:49 AM   #181 
                    - It isn't that I would prefer them, but I think it is the most sensible option.  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 01:39 PM   #183 
                       - How do you you determine them to be "sensible"?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 02:14 PM   #187 
                          - " the Constitution cannot be suspended in a heartbeat." Don't kid yourself.  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 02:42 PM   #189 
                             - Sigh....  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 03:04 PM   #192 
                                - LOL  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 04:32 PM   #196 
                                   - If you actually have proof to dispute my statements  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 04:37 PM   #197 
                                      - I think I've made my points. Let me know if something isn't clear to you.  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 10:15 PM   #200 
                                         - Pretty much all of it.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-09-11 08:55 AM   #202 
                                            - As James Monroe said, suspending the constitution won't be necessary...  jmg257   Sep-09-11 09:29 AM   #204 
                                            - You seem to be in a state of denial. Here are the facts.  Starboard Tack   Sep-09-11 12:06 PM   #207 
                                            - NONE of the examples you presented  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-09-11 12:57 PM   #209 
                                            - It wouldn't be on a whim.  Starboard Tack   Sep-09-11 01:26 PM   #211 
                                            - Oh good God...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-09-11 01:51 PM   #212 
                                            - Any implementation of martial law suspends certain rights.  Starboard Tack   Sep-09-11 05:09 PM   #213 
        - Banning is time release confiscation, Plain and simple. N/T  beevul   Sep-09-11 09:22 AM   #203 
           - Right and your point is?  Starboard Tack   Sep-09-11 12:57 PM   #208 
              - Well, hey at least you admit you were um...dishonest...  beevul   Sep-10-11 09:50 AM   #215 
                 - Do you really not know the difference between the two words.  Starboard Tack   Sep-10-11 11:00 AM   #216 
     - Absolutely.  Atypical Liberal   Sep-08-11 12:43 PM   #182 
  - Why, I'm ready right now! Oh, wait, I thought you meant...  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:39 PM   #113 
  - Sounds like a great sales pitch for the gun industry.  nineteen50   Sep-06-11 06:42 PM   #2 
  - Still waiting for your intelligent answer!  Logical   Sep-06-11 06:43 PM   #5 
  - So you have no intelligent response to the OP at all?  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 09:53 AM   #81 
  - Take away the ammo  HockeyMom   Sep-06-11 06:42 PM   #3 
  - Well, I bet there are 2 billion rounds of ammo in homes now.  Logical   Sep-06-11 06:45 PM   #7 
  - And what about home garage machine-shops?  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 07:09 PM   #24 
  - I used to reload a box of .38 special rounds up to 30 times.  spin   Sep-06-11 09:30 PM   #53 
  - No can do, it would impinge upon the Second Amendment rights of gun owners  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 09:44 PM   #56 
  - I make my own  rl6214   Sep-06-11 09:56 PM   #60 
  - Lynyrd Skynyrd suggested dumping them in the ocean..  Fumesucker   Sep-06-11 06:44 PM   #6 
  - Good one!  Logical   Sep-06-11 06:45 PM   #9 
  - It was " dump all the people "  Katya Mullethov   Sep-06-11 06:52 PM   #17 
     - The lyrics go...  Ready4Change   Sep-06-11 07:48 PM   #39 
  - The Brits did that already.  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 07:12 PM   #26 
     - Isn't that amazing, they dumped their guns  Starboard Tack   Sep-07-11 10:18 AM   #91 
     - "to protect ourselves from becoming like them"  Tejas   Sep-07-11 05:30 PM   #158 
     - Used to have Rodeo. Same thing only with an Isuzu badge  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 01:43 PM   #185 
     - I seem to remember...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 05:35 PM   #159 
        - My argument is not for me. I'm fine. It's for those who come into contact with the gun culture  Starboard Tack   Sep-08-11 01:46 PM   #186 
     - Yea, we supply them with our personal weapons for them to protect there island with.  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 06:03 PM   #166 
  - More guns are needed...everyone must carry!  rfranklin   Sep-06-11 06:45 PM   #8 
  - Fortunately, here in the real world, that doesn't happen.  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 09:55 AM   #82 
  - Now that's a very deep thought...  rfranklin   Sep-07-11 10:28 AM   #92 
     - And you're not, that's evident.  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 10:30 AM   #94 
        - Wow, you sure have a high opinion of yourself...  rfranklin   Sep-07-11 11:11 AM   #99 
           - Uhm, YOU are the one throwing insults. Perhaps just addressing the topic  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 12:13 PM   #107 
              - I guess he can't. How expected.  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 07:29 PM   #172 
  - "Bar-ROOM! went the elephant in the cave." nt  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:43 PM   #114 
  - Gun Control = 'getting rid of guns'  onehandle   Sep-06-11 06:46 PM   #10 
  - +1  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-06-11 06:52 PM   #16 
  - As if that's not your eventual goal.  LAGC   Sep-06-11 07:04 PM   #22 
  - Vegetarianism and trains running on time lead to jews being shoved in ovens.  onehandle   Sep-06-11 07:11 PM   #25 
     - Good one.  LAGC   Sep-06-11 07:14 PM   #28 
  - +2  safeinOhio   Sep-06-11 07:08 PM   #23 
  - Are the gun control laws you want to see passed...  krispos42   Sep-07-11 12:00 PM   #105 
  - This thread is nothing more than fishing for a fight.  liberal N proud   Sep-06-11 06:46 PM   #11 
  - .  fascisthunter   Sep-06-11 06:50 PM   #15 
  - No, that might be the reason you post. But we are not all like you.  Logical   Sep-06-11 07:14 PM   #29 
  - So you simply HAVE no answer, so instead reply with a witty remark?  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 09:56 AM   #83 
  - ummm, a little projection? Looks like it...  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:47 PM   #116 
  - Mandatory 18-month sentence for illegal posession  MannyGoldstein   Sep-06-11 06:47 PM   #12 
  - I'm all for future gun control being targeted on criminals rather than ...  spin   Sep-06-11 09:33 PM   #54 
  - Please ignore that triple murder in Lawrence and the cop shot in Woburn.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 09:53 PM   #59 
  - Don't ignore it at all. Add it into the total stats.  MannyGoldstein   Sep-06-11 09:56 PM   #61 
     - For 2009, MA's murder rate was 2.9 per 100,000. NH's was 0.8  slackmaster   Sep-07-11 08:04 AM   #76 
        - Please re-read: I said *firearms deaths*, not murder rate.  MannyGoldstein   Sep-07-11 03:03 PM   #124 
           - Your turn to re-read. I asked you what relevance the "rate of firearms deaths" has...  slackmaster   Sep-07-11 03:06 PM   #126 
           - So, deaths due to firearms have nothing to do with firearms?  MannyGoldstein   Sep-07-11 03:08 PM   #127 
           - You have failed to make any connection between long prison sentences for illegally possessed...  slackmaster   Sep-07-11 03:11 PM   #131 
           - I've made a connection between strict gun laws and fewer gun deaths  MannyGoldstein   Sep-07-11 04:51 PM   #148 
              - No, you really havent.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 05:21 PM   #154 
              - Hawaii has strong gun laws too, and they have the lowest gun death rate of all  MannyGoldstein   Sep-07-11 05:48 PM   #164 
                 - That's because they don't have much of a crime problem. Compare them with Jamaica  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-07-11 06:26 PM   #168 
              - Not really. Correlation does not prove causation. You haven't made a logical link at all.  slackmaster   Sep-07-11 05:24 PM   #156 
           - Is someone more dead if they are shot rather than stabbed? n/t  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:12 PM   #132 
           - You're less dead if a firearm wasn't involved, obviously, *snort* n/t  X_Digger   Sep-07-11 03:09 PM   #129 
           - So some one stabbed to death isn't a dead as someone shot to death? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Sep-07-11 06:22 PM   #167 
  - Please tell us what criteria you used to come to the conclustion that MA's law "works well"  slackmaster   Sep-07-11 08:08 AM   #77 
  - We have a low rate of *firearms deaths*  MannyGoldstein   Sep-07-11 03:04 PM   #125 
     - Correlation does not prove causation, and long prison sentences for illegally possessed firearms...  slackmaster   Sep-07-11 03:11 PM   #130 
     - So?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 03:24 PM   #138 
     - true most are due to suicide but  gejohnston   Sep-07-11 09:35 PM   #174 
  - Yeah, that cleared up murders, armed robbery, drive-bys, nt  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:48 PM   #117 
  - Start with a massive gun sales tax and then institute a federal buy back program.  LonePirate   Sep-06-11 06:48 PM   #13 
  - Utterly Unconstitutional, of course.  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 07:14 PM   #30 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 07:22 PM   #34 
  - Again, How would you pay for them? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 07:20 PM   #32 
  - The program pays for itself with reduced health costs and increased public safety.  LonePirate   Sep-06-11 07:25 PM   #35 
     - Mexico has very strict gun control ...  spin   Sep-06-11 09:36 PM   #55 
  - Tax people so we can use their own money to buy their guns  rrneck   Sep-06-11 07:30 PM   #36 
  - You might want to check your facts.  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 07:45 PM   #37 
  - Is it safe to say that you are included in that gouping of "most Americans?"  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 09:58 AM   #84 
  - So you believe that "most Americans" are idiots? Should they be allowed to vote?. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 10:56 AM   #97 
  - Have you been listening to the Fast and Furious nonsense...  midnight   Sep-06-11 06:50 PM   #14 
  - I hope to find one  Katya Mullethov   Sep-07-11 09:46 AM   #80 
  - Strawman. n/t  Mojambo   Sep-06-11 06:57 PM   #18 
  - Anyone willing to get rid of theirs...  -..__...   Sep-06-11 06:58 PM   #19 
  - stupid question...you know we can't. What is your point.  adhd_what_huh   Sep-06-11 07:00 PM   #20 
  - Then why all the debate?  Logical   Sep-06-11 07:13 PM   #27 
  - Because there is a lot of a thing doesnt  xchrom   Sep-06-11 07:04 PM   #21 
  - How do you plan to pay for them ?  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 07:22 PM   #33 
     - How is any thing that's regulated paid for? Nt  xchrom   Sep-06-11 07:53 PM   #42 
        - You tell me. It is your Idea. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 08:32 PM   #48 
  - Take them away at gunpoint.  TreasonousBastard   Sep-06-11 07:46 PM   #38 
  - Why are you advocating another Civil War? n/t  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 07:48 PM   #40 
  - And you are willing to volunteer to do it? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 07:50 PM   #41 
  - Do you want to volunteer for the job as a member of the new Gestapo?  spin   Sep-06-11 09:46 PM   #57 
  - Pssst! Over here...  TreasonousBastard   Sep-06-11 09:49 PM   #58 
  - Hook, line and sinker, eh...  PavePusher   Sep-07-11 10:44 PM   #179 
  - I have a proven method  DissedByBush   Sep-06-11 10:09 PM   #65 
  - Only allow single shot 20ga shotguns.... allow an exchange period or disable existing firearms.  ileus   Sep-06-11 07:54 PM   #43 
  - How do you pay for them. That damn Fifth Amendment thing, again!  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 08:33 PM   #49 
  - Might as well start thinking long-term and not let manufacturers make 100 million more while we  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 07:55 PM   #44 
  - And how would you do that? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 08:37 PM   #51 
  - In reality to do this you will have to do away with our form of government ...  spin   Sep-06-11 09:57 PM   #62 
  - Maybe if you gunners could quit your bad gun habit, we wouldn't have to take tougher measures.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:30 PM   #66 
     - So do your "tougher measures" include doing away with our representative democracy ...  spin   Sep-06-11 10:58 PM   #70 
     - Who said anything about doing away with "representative democracy?"  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 06:09 AM   #74 
        - My post which you replied to ...  spin   Sep-07-11 11:52 AM   #103 
     - Maybe if you anti-gunners could quit your fallcious posting habits, we could actually discuss it.  cleanhippie   Sep-07-11 10:05 AM   #85 
     - Why waste time responding to a poster's comment about having to do away with our form of govt?  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 12:51 PM   #118 
     - And what constitutes a "bad gun habit?"...  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:55 PM   #119 
     - Maybe if you gave a flying rat's a$$ about actual criminals instead of  Tejas   Sep-07-11 05:39 PM   #160 
  - Hopefully we can exceed 500mil...I have 30 more at least to add to the collection.  ileus   Sep-06-11 10:01 PM   #64 
     - I bet you do. At a minimum, we need to stop private sales without background checks through an FFL.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:31 PM   #67 
        - I have no problem with that idea ...  spin   Sep-07-11 12:47 PM   #115 
  - They have a chicken/egg problem  DissedByBush   Sep-06-11 07:59 PM   #45 
  - Exactly. (n/t)  spin   Sep-06-11 09:58 PM   #63 
  - Maybe gunners ought to step up and do something about this mess. I definitely won't hold my breath.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:33 PM   #68 
     - That we don't have a totalitarian police state is a "mess"?  DissedByBush   Sep-07-11 07:46 AM   #75 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-07-11 10:06 AM   #87 
     - The vast majority of "gunners" don't make messes. Da thugs do. nt  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:57 PM   #121 
  - I'm not aware of ANYONE who is proposing to get rid of every gun in the country.  kestrel91316   Sep-06-11 08:08 PM   #46 
  - Yes, they'll always make exceptions for guns in the hands of government employees  slackmaster   Sep-06-11 08:29 PM   #47 
  - I always thought that "ban them all" meant just that. Guess that I was wrong. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 08:35 PM   #50 
     - Restrict them in public will help. You guys can do what you want with your guns at home.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:34 PM   #69 
     - You may be the only  rrneck   Sep-06-11 11:09 PM   #71 
        - When you lay down your guns, talk/post to me about "change."  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 06:07 AM   #73 
           - I dont carry.  rrneck   Sep-07-11 09:30 AM   #78 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-07-11 05:43 PM   #162 
     - and what the fuck is the deal here?  iverglas   Sep-08-11 09:16 PM   #199 
        - Calm down!  Logical   Sep-08-11 11:38 PM   #201 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-11 01:04 PM   #210 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-07-11 01:10 PM   #122 
  - Magical fairly dust and liberal use of the phrase "pretty pretty please".  krispos42   Sep-07-11 10:34 PM   #178 
  - so what the fuck is the deal here?  iverglas   Sep-08-11 07:54 PM   #198 
     - Yeah, not one. /sarcasm  beevul   Sep-09-11 09:45 AM   #205 
        - snork  iverglas   Sep-09-11 10:21 AM   #206 
           - Chew on this cud, my dear.  beevul   Sep-10-11 09:43 AM   #214 
 

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