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190.  What would YOU have done in his place?
You laugh at what he did. What would you have done?

Oneshooter
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  -At least 3 dead in Nevada mass shooting MyrnaLoy  Sep-06-11 04:30 PM   #0 
  - This story was posted in Latest Breaking. nt  SteveM   Sep-06-11 04:33 PM   #1 
  - and now it's here  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 04:37 PM   #2 
     - "assault rifle?" Coulda sworn it was "a-pepper rifle"...  SteveM   Sep-06-11 04:40 PM   #3 
        - you may wanna read a little  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 04:43 PM   #4 
        - Untill the exact model is mentioned in an article  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 04:49 PM   #5 
           - do you guys even know how to read?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 04:51 PM   #6 
           - I know how to read  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 04:54 PM   #7 
              - IT wasn't a reporter!  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 04:57 PM   #8 
                 - Looks like it was a semi-automatic rifle  Starboard Tack   Sep-06-11 05:06 PM   #10 
                 - right...  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:09 PM   #12 
                 - I have read several and still am. I said "it looks like"  Starboard Tack   Sep-06-11 05:24 PM   #25 
                    - To be fair...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:26 PM   #28 
                 - Or enough manual dexterity to change magazines, like the VT shooter.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:10 PM   #13 
                    - wanna know who didn't have any dexterity?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:14 PM   #15 
                       - That isnt a lack of dexterity  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:21 PM   #20 
                       - yeah  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:24 PM   #24 
                          - Who was that?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:26 PM   #27 
                          - Who was that? I must have missed it.  rl6214   Sep-06-11 05:53 PM   #55 
                          - CWP holders, my hero!  RSillsbee   Sep-06-11 06:50 PM   #78 
                          - Some have saved lives.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-06-11 09:28 PM   #102 
                             - And some at least tried  Euromutt   Sep-07-11 03:33 PM   #179 
                       - So what? Swagler is a restaurant owner, not a cop- and he was right to not engage.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:23 PM   #22 
                       - credentials?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:26 PM   #29 
                       - That is not quite true...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:29 PM   #34 
                       - Factual accuracy is not neccessary for a faith-based argument  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:35 PM   #40 
                       - off duty  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:38 PM   #43 
                          - New Life Church?  RSillsbee   Sep-06-11 06:51 PM   #80 
                          - hey!!!!!  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:55 PM   #94 
                             - Actually, there is another, but we don't know his name..  X_Digger   Sep-06-11 08:54 PM   #99 
                             - Volunteer security, by a Citizen. Hmmm... "Hey", indeed. n/t  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 09:58 PM   #108 
                             - Your tricycle squeaks when you backpedal.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:13 AM   #143 
                             - Hate to burst your bubble  RSillsbee   Sep-08-11 07:35 PM   #210 
                          - More like  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 08:57 AM   #153 
                       - So, you have *no* experience, but complain about the behavior of others.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:32 PM   #37 
                       - That's because many have been at NO GUNS ALLOWED locations  rl6214   Sep-06-11 05:58 PM   #59 
                       - Tyler Tx Courthouse shooting, Mark Allen Wilson attacked the shooter  AtheistCrusader   Sep-06-11 09:29 PM   #103 
                       - More?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 01:23 AM   #122 
                          - Of course there are more.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 07:58 AM   #138 
                             - have fun with your  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 08:06 PM   #188 
                                - Maybe someday you will retain simple facts that were presented to you after you requested them.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-08-11 09:13 AM   #199 
                       - Check around here:  PavePusher   Sep-06-11 10:00 PM   #109 
                       - no thanks  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 01:22 AM   #121 
                          - Refusal to accept evidence contrary to your position?  PavePusher   Sep-07-11 01:33 AM   #123 
                             - you find  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 01:44 AM   #127 
                                - The topic being addressed in this sub-thread was proof of Citizens...  PavePusher   Sep-07-11 01:49 AM   #129 
                                   - so no  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 01:59 AM   #130 
                                   - You've been linked at least four major incidents  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:07 AM   #140 
                                   - hahahahaa  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 04:30 PM   #180 
                                   - Incorrect.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-08-11 09:29 AM   #200 
                       - How many mass shooters  rrneck   Sep-06-11 10:29 PM   #116 
                       - Are you talking CCWer as bystander, or as prospective victim?  Euromutt   Sep-07-11 01:34 AM   #124 
                       - exactly  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:27 PM   #31 
                       - Got nothin to do with dexterity  rl6214   Sep-06-11 05:52 PM   #54 
                       - Well, now you're contradicting the meme about concealed-carriers  krispos42   Sep-07-11 12:15 AM   #118 
                          - that's great  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 01:20 AM   #120 
                          - Very free to cast aspersions on those who aren't here, aren't you?  PavePusher   Sep-07-11 01:38 AM   #125 
                          - Yup  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 01:43 AM   #126 
                          - he was there  krispos42   Sep-07-11 08:09 AM   #141 
                          - Projection.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:43 AM   #150 
                          - Who you calling a chicken shit?  one-eyed fat man   Sep-07-11 03:23 PM   #178 
                             - hahahahahaaaa  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 04:32 PM   #181 
                                - What qualifies you?  one-eyed fat man   Sep-07-11 07:24 PM   #185 
                                   - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-07-11 08:02 PM   #186 
                                   - Why are we wasting time  RSillsbee   Sep-08-11 07:43 PM   #211 
                          - you'll need to ask Ralph  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 04:14 AM   #132 
                          - The article doesn't state where Swagler was at the time of the shooting.  krispos42   Sep-07-11 08:14 AM   #144 
                          - Pistol versus rifle.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:14 AM   #145 
                          - So in Arizona  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 08:03 PM   #187 
                             - Zamudio used excellent judgement  akvo   Sep-08-11 05:08 AM   #192 
                             - hero worship  MyrnaLoy   Sep-08-11 05:13 AM   #193 
                                - Credit goes where credit is due  akvo   Sep-08-11 05:23 AM   #194 
                                - Whether he responded correctly to the person holding the gun  AtheistCrusader   Sep-08-11 09:11 AM   #198 
                             - He was inside the safeway, and even though he started moving,  AtheistCrusader   Sep-08-11 09:09 AM   #197 
                          - What would YOU have done in his place?  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 08:22 PM   #190 
                             - It has been 24 hours and still no answer. Can you answer it?  oneshooter   Sep-08-11 05:59 PM   #209 
                                - I'm not  MyrnaLoy   Sep-09-11 03:59 AM   #223 
                                   - Not an answer to the question. Please answer the question asked. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-09-11 07:57 AM   #224 
                                   - Then you would have died. At that range he could have cut you in half. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-09-11 08:02 AM   #225 
                                      - especially  MyrnaLoy   Sep-09-11 06:13 PM   #226 
                                         - You need to learn reading comprehension. Follow the string back and learn what  oneshooter   Sep-09-11 06:54 PM   #228 
                                         - are you asking the  MyrnaLoy   Sep-09-11 08:49 PM   #229 
                                         - How'd that work out for the people at Virginia Tech?  AtheistCrusader   Sep-12-11 12:02 AM   #230 
                          - I notice a tag-team damned if you do, damned if you don't method here.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:11 AM   #142 
                          - And we've been saying for years....  krispos42   Sep-07-11 08:34 AM   #148 
                          - I notice that if a pro gunner was as disruptive as some of these antis  RSillsbee   Sep-08-11 07:46 PM   #212 
                          - Thank you very much for doing this research and analysis. The guys  Hoopla Phil   Sep-07-11 01:05 PM   #172 
                             - I'll second that, in the face of a couple of ignorant blowhards here who chose to insult him n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-07-11 05:10 PM   #184 
                 - Truth be told  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:20 PM   #18 
                 - As long  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:22 PM   #21 
                    - Irrelevant.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:25 PM   #26 
                       - but you want them  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:27 PM   #33 
                          - I don't see how they could get much easier to purchase really  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:31 PM   #36 
                             - one more time  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:47 PM   #50 
                             - To answer your question very specifically, yes.  RSillsbee   Sep-06-11 06:56 PM   #81 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 07:38 PM   #87 
                             - As I already said  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 09:05 AM   #155 
                                - ...horses to water... n/t  PavePusher   Sep-07-11 01:29 PM   #173 
                             - yup  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 06:14 PM   #68 
                                - Does make a difference if it was a real AK47 or  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:24 PM   #73 
                 - Do you believe that a person with a legally concealed weapon is a cop ...  spin   Sep-06-11 06:00 PM   #61 
           - How about a sheriff?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:54 PM   #56 
        - Deaths by true assault rifles are NOT rare  RSillsbee   Sep-06-11 06:47 PM   #77 
        - Actually, based on witness descriptions  AtheistCrusader   Sep-06-11 09:25 PM   #100 
  - Oh, Myrna....  SteveM   Sep-06-11 05:05 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 05:08 PM   #11 
     - You seem to have touched something made of tar. nt  SteveM   Sep-06-11 05:12 PM   #14 
        - I'll say it again  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:14 PM   #16 
           - Myrna...  SteveM   Sep-06-11 05:18 PM   #17 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 05:21 PM   #19 
              - That's merely a comment from a bystander  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-06-11 05:24 PM   #23 
              - Sure they are  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 06:05 PM   #63 
                 - Um...did you respond to the wrong post?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 05:18 PM   #206 
              - And...  SteveM   Sep-06-11 05:27 PM   #32 
              - Well you hope this time  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:35 PM   #39 
                 - Sadly for you, they *still* do less damage than hands and feet do...  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:38 PM   #42 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 05:42 PM   #45 
                 - Tell you  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:00 PM   #82 
                    - Why are suicides important? Japan has far more than we do, and almost none via firearms.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 09:37 PM   #104 
                    - Nice sleight of hand trick there.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:46 AM   #151 
                 - It's not a matter of *wanting* a damn thing  Euromutt   Sep-06-11 10:05 PM   #110 
                 - I'm perfectly OK with it being a semi-auto AK variant  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 09:08 AM   #156 
              - On what basis do you criticize Swagler? How much combat shooting experience do *you* have?  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:29 PM   #35 
                 - at least  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:40 PM   #44 
                    - A non-answer. Again, how much experience do *you* have in self-defense?  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:50 PM   #52 
                    - Poor old Ralph  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:56 PM   #58 
                    - Nobody was tackled, dear.. get your facts straight. n/t  X_Digger   Sep-06-11 06:04 PM   #62 
                    - Who was that that tackled the wrong guy?  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:12 PM   #66 
           - Makes sense to me, I wouldn't do it either  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:08 PM   #64 
           - CCW's are for "personal" protection.  Remmah2   Sep-07-11 08:48 AM   #152 
  - An old standard but somehow always appropriate  tularetom   Sep-06-11 05:27 PM   #30 
  - No Shit! n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:33 PM   #38 
     - You really want  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:37 PM   #41 
        - Psst- you're repeating yourself- see post #39. Anyway, it doesn't matter  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 05:44 PM   #47 
        - That's why we won't wait with bated breath for your apology...  SteveM   Sep-06-11 05:45 PM   #48 
        - So you won't  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:48 PM   #51 
        - Your words, dear, your words. nt  SteveM   Sep-06-11 06:00 PM   #60 
        - Will you admit it if YOU are wrong?  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:16 PM   #70 
           - Sure. nt  SteveM   Sep-06-11 06:30 PM   #75 
              - Sorry Steve  rl6214   Sep-06-11 09:50 PM   #105 
                 - "Well, in all the confusion, I forgot to count...." LOL. nt  SteveM   Sep-07-11 12:20 PM   #168 
                    - you find out yet?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 04:34 PM   #182 
                       - You figure out how...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 05:27 PM   #207 
        - Sheriif anymore knowledgable?  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:55 PM   #57 
           - No, cops aren't authoritative on such issues..  X_Digger   Sep-06-11 06:09 PM   #65 
           - I'll leave you with this  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 06:13 PM   #67 
           - And you're the one who wants what, all semi-auto rifles banned?  X_Digger   Sep-06-11 06:22 PM   #72 
           - Poor picture quality but magazine is in the rifle backwards  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:27 PM   #74 
           - Oooh! I know i know!  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 09:11 AM   #158 
           - Oh good grief, tell me that's a photoshop  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 10:34 AM   #160 
              - It was in the newspaper, so doubtful. n/t  X_Digger   Sep-07-11 10:44 AM   #161 
                 - That's incredible.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 10:53 AM   #163 
           - Analyzing...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 09:11 AM   #157 
        - I think you've got something wrong with your computer  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:15 PM   #69 
        - Investigators are still examining the weapon, per MSNBC.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 09:13 AM   # 
           - How in the hell...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 10:52 AM   #162 
              - I think you over-estimate the police.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 10:55 AM   #164 
                 - Granted...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 11:12 AM   #165 
                    - Could have inherited it.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 11:23 AM   #167 
  - "reliable sources "  Katya Mullethov   Sep-06-11 05:44 PM   #46 
  - Hadn't had a chance to see the news today  rl6214   Sep-06-11 05:45 PM   #49 
  - You're welcome!  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 05:51 PM   #53 
     - Just saw it on the news  rl6214   Sep-06-11 06:19 PM   #71 
     - The media is in "All AK-47 All the Time" "assault rifle" mode, now...  SteveM   Sep-06-11 06:36 PM   #76 
     - How much military training do you have?  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 06:50 PM   #79 
        - Yes  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:03 PM   #83 
           - A partial answer. Could you tell the diffrence between full auto and rapid fire semi auto? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 07:24 PM   #85 
              - yes  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:36 PM   #86 
                 - Do you expect someone with no military training to do the same? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 07:43 PM   #89 
                 - I have no  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:46 PM   #90 
                    - my point is that those who are knoledgeable of full auto generally will hear rapid fire  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 10:07 PM   #111 
                 - Well, given civilians can't have full-auto in this state  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 09:04 AM   #154 
                    - ask those people  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 04:38 PM   #183 
                       - So, you hang out with bank robbers and people who flout state law?  AtheistCrusader   Sep-08-11 09:08 AM   #196 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-06-11 07:03 PM   #84 
  - He had other guns in the van  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:41 PM   #88 
  - Multiple guns are often a good clue that things are amiss.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 07:49 PM   #92 
     - Preach it my brother...only crazy people own two or more guns.  ileus   Sep-06-11 10:11 PM   #112 
     - If you are out in public with several guns, you have a problem. I'd suggest asking for help.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:24 PM   #115 
        - I'll be out in public later on today with 4...  ileus   Sep-07-11 06:30 AM   #136 
           - I will be out tomrrow with four also.  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 08:17 PM   #189 
     - There is some truth to that.  krispos42   Sep-07-11 12:23 AM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-06-11 07:48 PM   #91 
  - The good news is  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 07:52 PM   #93 
  - LMAO.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 08:00 PM   #96 
     - And it seems  MyrnaLoy   Sep-06-11 11:54 PM   #117 
        - Good thing someone finds it funny.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:19 AM   #146 
        - Its not the NRA's fault  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 09:13 AM   #159 
  - You're thinking of the ATF  ileus   Sep-06-11 07:57 PM   #95 
     - No, I'm thinking of the common practice among the "gun culture." How many do you have?  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 08:01 PM   #97 
        - I haven't bought an AK yet that's still on my wish list. I did look at one today 479.00 WASR  ileus   Sep-06-11 08:05 PM   #98 
        - Better jump on it. Seems to be a popular weapon here.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:23 PM   #114 
        - Damn they're getting expensive!  LAGC   Sep-07-11 01:45 AM   #128 
        - Prove it, and pulling it out of your ass is not "proof" n/t  oneshooter   Sep-06-11 09:26 PM   #101 
        - You ever sold one of your guns with a background check? Bet not.  Hoyt   Sep-06-11 10:22 PM   #113 
           - Any and every gun I have ever sold has gone thru an FFL  rl6214   Sep-07-11 02:11 AM   #131 
           - I rarly sell a firearm, but all that I have sold have been to CHL holders.  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 06:00 AM   #133 
           - Hope more follow you two in ensuring guns go to someone who can at least pass minimal BGcheck.  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 06:19 AM   #134 
           - I've sold 8 or 9 w/out a back ground check  RSillsbee   Sep-08-11 07:52 PM   #214 
        - You gonna prove that it's "common practice among the gun culture"  rl6214   Sep-06-11 09:54 PM   #106 
        - it's true remember all those toters drawing down on him? you gunners...  ileus   Sep-06-11 09:56 PM   #107 
        - Let's see how many support laws requiring sales through FFL for background check. Not many.  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 06:21 AM   #135 
        - Most oppose the FFL part, not the background check part.  ManiacJoe   Sep-07-11 11:19 AM   #166 
        - So you support any person checking on your or anyone's background under guise of selling a gun?  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 12:44 PM   #169 
           - Why?  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 12:47 PM   #171 
           - Because criminals acquire guns by stealing them or buying them "legally" from some gunner who  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 01:57 PM   #175 
              - Ok, we get that criminals do criminal things...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 02:57 PM   #177 
           - That's not the way NICS works. You should know that by now.  Straw Man   Sep-07-11 09:36 PM   #191 
           - "Denied" means you've got a serious problem in your background -- I don' think most people want  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 11:57 AM   #201 
              - Or a fucked up search- there's been a few people here who were denied, but appealed and won.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-08-11 02:16 PM   #203 
              - No it doesn't Hoyt.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-08-11 02:26 PM   #204 
                 - Either way guys, it's not something you want any unaccountable fool calling up and checking on you.  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 05:10 PM   #205 
                    - Any $9/hr clerk in a Walmart that sells guns can already do that.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-08-11 08:29 PM   #215 
                       - And if they do and use it against you, you can sue WalMart.  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 08:36 PM   #216 
                          - I must say I'm impressed, Hoyt- an attorney *and* a firearms expert.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-08-11 08:45 PM   #218 
                             - I've known a lot of gunners and why they love/covet guns. Don't spend much time on firearm details.  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 08:59 PM   #219 
                                - In other words ....  Straw Man   Sep-08-11 10:42 PM   #222 
           - How much cost? $2 ? $10 ? $100 ? $1000 ? More, or less? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-08-11 07:29 AM   #195 
              - Depends on whether you know a fair FFL or one who'll screw you.  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 11:58 AM   #202 
                 - Why don't you mandate a price? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-08-11 05:52 PM   #208 
                    - Why don't you call your FFL buddies and ask them what they think is fair? If you don't like it, try  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 08:38 PM   #217 
                       - I was asking for YOUR opinion. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-08-11 09:12 PM   #220 
                          - I won't be charging you? When I sold my dad's 1950/60s Hi-Standard Citation 22, FFL charged me $35  Hoyt   Sep-08-11 09:25 PM   #221 
        - Pulling another one out here  rl6214   Sep-09-11 06:28 PM   #227 
        - funny thing is I buy most my firearms off a LEO without a background check.  ileus   Sep-07-11 06:33 AM   #137 
           - Nothing funny about you adding to your cache of weapons.  Hoyt   Sep-07-11 12:44 PM   #170 
              - I noticed...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 01:51 PM   #174 
                 - Because he didn't have time to squat and get you an answer. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-07-11 02:48 PM   #176 
        - I don't like AKs  RSillsbee   Sep-08-11 07:51 PM   #213 
  - One more time, the family fails  one-eyed fat man   Sep-07-11 07:59 AM   #139 
     - Loughner's parents should be in jail.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-07-11 08:21 AM   #147 
        - Mental institutions were deliberately dismantled.  one-eyed fat man   Sep-07-11 08:43 AM   #149 
 

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