| 205. So shooting someone in the back as they are running away |
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is a 'good shooting' to you.
I shudder to think what a 'bad shooting' might be.
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| -CCW holder shoots fleeing robber, charged with murder |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 11:36 AM |
#0 |
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Jesus shoots fleeing robber. n/t |
Ian David |
Aug-31-11 11:40 AM |
#1 |
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since the robbery victim was no longer in jeopardy... |
mike_c |
Aug-31-11 11:41 AM |
#2 |
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Too bad he didn't live in Texas. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 11:50 AM |
#8 |
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Perhaps more to the point is that... |
TreasonousBastard |
Aug-31-11 11:57 AM |
#13 |
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No, a warning shot would not be legal. |
TheWraith |
Aug-31-11 12:07 PM |
#24 |
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You can legally use a firearm to stop an attack if you honestly feel that ... |
spin |
Aug-31-11 03:08 PM |
#104 |
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Ah, the fear factor complete with psychological analysis... |
SteveM |
Aug-31-11 12:11 PM |
#30 |
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oh no-- I'll be the first to admit substantial prejudice.... |
mike_c |
Aug-31-11 12:37 PM |
#45 |
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If that is what you believe... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 12:58 PM |
#58 |
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that is, in fact, our plan.... |
mike_c |
Aug-31-11 01:11 PM |
#65 |
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Good for you. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:17 PM |
#69 |
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:21 AM |
#172 |
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This is why when the GOP says liberals are just as prejudiced as they are... |
SteveM |
Aug-31-11 01:14 PM |
#67 |
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and if my analysis turns out to be correct, then what will you do...? |
mike_c |
Aug-31-11 01:35 PM |
#79 |
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Please don't speak to me of "rational people," ... |
SteveM |
Aug-31-11 02:26 PM |
#95 |
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You got that backwards... |
rl6214 |
Aug-31-11 04:25 PM |
#135 |
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I would prosecute but at lesser charges since it happened under duress. |
Nuclear Unicorn |
Aug-31-11 12:34 PM |
#42 |
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I agree. The guy probably reacted in a confused panic. |
TheWraith |
Aug-31-11 05:05 PM |
#146 |
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Shoot to kill speeding drivers too, |
safeinOhio |
Aug-31-11 11:41 AM |
#3 |
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If you truly |
MrDiaz |
Aug-31-11 12:35 PM |
#43 |
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speeders and drunks can take your life. |
safeinOhio |
Aug-31-11 12:44 PM |
#46 |
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so what |
MrDiaz |
Aug-31-11 02:20 PM |
#94 |
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But, that's not possible! |
TheWraith |
Aug-31-11 11:43 AM |
#4 |
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if Abbot had stolen a ball point pen from Canul, would you still defend the shooting and killing? |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 11:44 AM |
#5 |
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Yup. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 11:52 AM |
#10 |
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I think the question is - do you have the right to kill people that have stolen from you |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 11:56 AM |
#12 |
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Depends on the state. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 11:59 AM |
#16 |
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how about an answer from a moral perspective |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:01 PM |
#19 |
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I already answered, but I'll answer again: |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:13 PM |
#31 |
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Explain the morals of the criminal. n/t |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 12:14 PM |
#32 |
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the issue at hand is whether a killing is justified if one's property is stolen |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:15 PM |
#34 |
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"how about an answer from a moral perspective" |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 12:35 PM |
#44 |
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and the issue at hand is - is it right to "kill" to protect property |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:48 PM |
#49 |
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"is it right to "kill" to protect property" |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 12:52 PM |
#53 |
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Absolutely. n/t |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:56 PM |
#56 |
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Yes, deadly force is justified to defend property. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:53 PM |
#54 |
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So, if a person were to consider taxes to be theft, is deadly force justified? n/t |
bigmonkey |
Aug-31-11 12:58 PM |
#59 |
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Well, the government is willing to use deadly force to make you pay.... n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-31-11 01:34 PM |
#78 |
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Taxes are not theft, so no. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 03:00 PM |
#100 |
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But you would support someone else's decision that they are, and to respond with deadly force? |
bigmonkey |
Aug-31-11 03:10 PM |
#107 |
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No... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 03:30 PM |
#113 |
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Following the law seems not to be an issue for most "property is primary" folks. |
bigmonkey |
Aug-31-11 03:51 PM |
#119 |
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Not quite. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 04:04 PM |
#124 |
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Your response is directed at elements of my statement that are not in evidence. |
bigmonkey |
Aug-31-11 04:12 PM |
#126 |
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No. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 04:14 PM |
#129 |
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You think it's pretty clear. |
bigmonkey |
Aug-31-11 04:34 PM |
#139 |
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From a "moral perspective"? Yes... |
MicaelS |
Aug-31-11 12:16 PM |
#35 |
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is there any dollar value that does not justify taking a life? |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:19 PM |
#37 |
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The dollar value that keeps someone from being hungry or homeless. n/t |
MicaelS |
Aug-31-11 12:20 PM |
#38 |
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so if the property is of inconsequential value, a killing is not justified |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:22 PM |
#39 |
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Who determines "inconsequential value", you? |
MicaelS |
Aug-31-11 12:31 PM |
#41 |
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nor am I |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:51 PM |
#51 |
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interesting that you do not trust someone who places the value of a human life over property |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:53 PM |
#88 |
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Read what I wrote... |
MicaelS |
Aug-31-11 10:17 PM |
#162 |
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I did - and as I said |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 06:19 AM |
#167 |
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You miss some very important points... |
MicaelS |
Sep-01-11 11:03 AM |
#171 |
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I'm not the one placing a value on a life... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:00 PM |
#61 |
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you pull a trigger and take someone's life - you have made yourself the |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:10 PM |
#64 |
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Simple question: |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:21 PM |
#70 |
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more "gun logic" - "mess with me at your risk" |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:22 PM |
#72 |
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That is not what I said. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:26 PM |
#73 |
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and you are deciding to pull the trigger knowing full well you are taking a life |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:31 PM |
#75 |
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Wrong again. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:45 PM |
#84 |
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EXACTLY. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 03:26 PM |
#109 |
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Well stated! n/t |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 01:11 PM |
#66 |
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Thank you n/t |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:21 PM |
#71 |
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Of course there is. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 03:05 PM |
#102 |
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How much moral standing is a thief worth? |
one-eyed fat man |
Aug-31-11 02:55 PM |
#98 |
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"The clear implication is he held the victim's life as less valuable than the victim's paycheck. " |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 03:10 PM |
#106 |
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The value of a thief |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 04:45 PM |
#140 |
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The question really is.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 01:10 PM |
#196 |
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aargh, deleted |
iverglas |
Nov-18-11 03:37 PM |
#209 |
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Are you offering to reimburse Canul for his stolen money? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-31-11 12:29 PM |
#40 |
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I have no idea what that has to do with the issue being discussed |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:54 PM |
#55 |
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Well, if you don't want people shooting criminals who attempt to abscond... |
PavePusher |
Aug-31-11 01:32 PM |
#77 |
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no middle ground - hmmmmm |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:35 PM |
#80 |
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The "middle ground" is... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:51 PM |
#87 |
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The thief/robber is free to drop the money at any time. |
PavePusher |
Aug-31-11 03:57 PM |
#122 |
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if that were the case, I would defend your action |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 08:57 AM |
#169 |
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Interesting.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 12:53 PM |
#185 |
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that example stated a specific use for that money - cancer treatment |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 12:59 PM |
#189 |
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So in your mind... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 01:06 PM |
#193 |
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Are we talking about a 14-karat gold-filled Cross pen here, or just a plain 19-cent Bic? |
slackmaster |
Aug-31-11 01:43 PM |
#83 |
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to some here, it makes no difference |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:55 PM |
#89 |
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what if he saw him the next day on the street? |
Enrique |
Aug-31-11 11:49 AM |
#6 |
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A little absurd. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 11:54 AM |
#11 |
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Why not? We could call it the "Inigo Montoya" defense... |
petronius |
Aug-31-11 11:59 AM |
#17 |
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In your hypothetical, is the criminal still threatening people with a deadly weapon? |
Union Scribe |
Aug-31-11 10:50 PM |
#163 |
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Responsible Gun Ownership 101: A perp running away from you is no longer presenting a deadly threat |
rocktivity |
Aug-31-11 11:49 AM |
#7 |
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You defend this? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-31-11 11:51 AM |
#9 |
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Defense of property. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 11:57 AM |
#14 |
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ahhhh - but you said up-thread that you support the killing even if it had been an ink pen |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:00 PM |
#18 |
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Yup. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:07 PM |
#25 |
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thanks - and appreciate the honesty in admitting that your property is more |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:11 PM |
#29 |
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But remember, I'm not setting the value. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:15 PM |
#33 |
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YOU are setting the value of his life as taking it is in your hands |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:17 PM |
#36 |
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If a thief values his life more than my stuff... |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:46 PM |
#47 |
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if you are the decider as to whether a life is taken - you are setting the value |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:49 PM |
#50 |
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If they are the decider as to whether to risk their life - they are setting the value. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:59 PM |
#60 |
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If you willingly... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:03 PM |
#62 |
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Where have I heard that argument before, hmmmmmm |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 01:27 PM |
#74 |
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how absurd |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 01:37 PM |
#81 |
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Not absurd at all |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 02:05 PM |
#92 |
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more personal insults -so typical of here |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 04:56 PM |
#143 |
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You seem to be confusing having one's ideas exposed as hypocritical BS with personal insult. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:37 AM |
#174 |
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you mean like this: |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 12:09 PM |
#181 |
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No, I mean this: |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 12:42 PM |
#182 |
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and you have an example demonstrating that point, now don't you |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 12:48 PM |
#183 |
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Yes, the example is your last response to someone explaining how your ideas were wrong, which you |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 12:56 PM |
#186 |
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telling someone they are not bright enough to comprehend their post |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 12:57 PM |
#187 |
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No one said you were not bright enough. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 01:00 PM |
#191 |
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I didnt see any personal insults.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 11:53 AM |
#179 |
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well . . . here's one example |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 12:08 PM |
#180 |
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Uh, Dan, thats an opinion. Had the poster stated something like... |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 12:58 PM |
#188 |
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an insult - but, I would expect nothing less than denial here |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 01:00 PM |
#190 |
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I guess I will just end with a repeat of what I stated earlier... |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 01:02 PM |
#192 |
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Not an insult. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 01:13 PM |
#197 |
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I think you hit it perfectly with that statement. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:32 AM |
#173 |
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So, if I scratched the paint on your car, you'd feel justified in shooting me |
RaleighNCDUer |
Aug-31-11 12:01 PM |
#20 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-31-11 12:10 PM |
#26 |
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It depends on the situation. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 05:53 PM |
#152 |
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no |
gejohnston |
Aug-31-11 10:10 PM |
#161 |
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Is the car scratcher trying to steal the paint? |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:38 AM |
#175 |
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You may be content with that, but the law isn't, and... |
TreasonousBastard |
Aug-31-11 12:02 PM |
#21 |
| -
Depends on where you live. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:10 PM |
#27 |
| -
"If and when it ever gets to a grand jury..." |
DWC |
Aug-31-11 11:59 AM |
#15 |
| -
"Once he took off with the money . . . " |
DrDan |
Aug-31-11 12:04 PM |
#22 |
| -
Even money bet |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 12:10 PM |
#28 |
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185gr +P rounds? That's pretty quick for a forty five... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Aug-31-11 01:41 PM |
#82 |
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Self defense hand loads |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 02:40 PM |
#97 |
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165g 45's I need to get some of those for mine. |
ileus |
Aug-31-11 04:24 PM |
#133 |
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Have you tested for penetration? |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Aug-31-11 05:11 PM |
#147 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-31-11 02:39 PM |
#96 |
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Don't mistake confidence for boasting, |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 03:15 PM |
#108 |
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Posting about how you are going to pull your gun and shoot an unarmed man -- ain't "confidence." |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 03:27 PM |
#110 |
| -
That was not what he said. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 03:29 PM |
#112 |
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That's what this thread is about, and our friend says you die if you take something from him. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 03:40 PM |
#115 |
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Maybe you should talk to some victims of violent crime |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 03:43 PM |
#117 |
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I have been a victim of some CCWass pulling a gun on me (more than once) -- handled it w/o one too. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 04:10 PM |
#125 |
| -
If someone really pulled a gun on you |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 04:27 PM |
#136 |
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Like I said, I took care of it myself each time. You don't like being reminded of why guns aren't |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 04:59 PM |
#145 |
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I have no problem with someone who believes.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 05:35 PM |
#149 |
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So YOU were the judge, jury and punishment! How uncivilized, fisticuffs in the middle of the street |
oneshooter |
Aug-31-11 08:09 PM |
#160 |
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If it's the minority of folks |
rl6214 |
Aug-31-11 10:54 PM |
#164 |
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Simple, the majority of folks don't know what today's gunners are like. They need to be reminded |
Hoyt |
Sep-01-11 06:04 AM |
#166 |
| -
What's "chit"? |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:42 AM |
#178 |
| -
The verdict is in on your claim... |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:41 AM |
#177 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-31-11 06:15 PM |
#154 |
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When? Where? Proof? You are making that up out of whole cloth. A total fabrication. |
cleanhippie |
Sep-01-11 11:40 AM |
#176 |
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WTF! - "shoot an unarmed man" |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 03:40 PM |
#116 |
| -
Hey Hoyt, find those balls yet? |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 03:54 PM |
#121 |
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People who say they're gonna shoot anyone who takes something from them, deserve no apology. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 04:13 PM |
#128 |
| -
Just because you cannot... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 04:28 PM |
#137 |
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Imagination? LMAO. Paranoia and callousness more like it. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 04:56 PM |
#142 |
| -
There is neither. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 05:36 PM |
#150 |
| -
I guess this would be OK for you |
rl6214 |
Aug-31-11 10:56 PM |
#165 |
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The apology was for YOUR blantant lie |
Spoonman |
Sep-02-11 01:46 PM |
#207 |
| -
Dishonest sack of shit? |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 03:46 PM |
#118 |
| -
Might be if someone made a false statement, but you are the one bragging about shooting someone with |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 04:15 PM |
#130 |
| -
You really expect us to believe you are that ignorant? |
Spoonman |
Sep-02-11 01:52 PM |
#208 |
| -
eyewittness account |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:06 PM |
#23 |
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"...That’s when Jesse shot him — when he took off running...He was maybe eight to 10 feet away..." |
rocktivity |
Aug-31-11 01:17 PM |
#68 |
| -
Reads like a good shooting to me... |
ileus |
Aug-31-11 04:29 PM |
#138 |
| -
You better get yourself a good lawyer then. Being charged with murder don't seem fun. nt |
jmg257 |
Aug-31-11 04:49 PM |
#141 |
| -
So shooting someone in the back as they are running away |
RaleighNCDUer |
Sep-01-11 08:35 PM |
#205 |
| -
Another shooting by a gun carrier with a permit. They tell us it doesn't happen, but it does. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 12:46 PM |
#48 |
| -
No, you are told it doesn't happen OFTEN. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 12:52 PM |
#52 |
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But not less likely than the 90% or so who could get a permit, but realize it's not necessary |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 01:48 PM |
#86 |
| -
Wrong. They are still safer compared to those 90% who could get a permit |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 02:59 PM |
#99 |
| -
No, that is not true. Those who could pass a background check are just as law abiding, yet |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 03:29 PM |
#111 |
| -
How about posting some credible sources to support these assertions? |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 03:52 PM |
#120 |
| -
Incorrect. When compared against THE ENTIRE REST OF THE POPULATION. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-31-11 04:13 PM |
#127 |
| -
"it will happen more and more" |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 01:08 PM |
#63 |
| -
I disagree, the more toters, the more shootings by toters. Further rate will likely increase |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 01:46 PM |
#85 |
| -
"What "overwhelming facts" are you posting about." |
Spoonman |
Aug-31-11 02:19 PM |
#93 |
| -
He was being assaulted so it's not just |
rl6214 |
Aug-31-11 06:23 PM |
#156 |
| -
I would argue that |
one-eyed fat man |
Sep-01-11 03:29 PM |
#199 |
| -
I feel for the guy |
tularetom |
Aug-31-11 12:57 PM |
#57 |
| -
DING DING DING! Tularetom, you're our grand prize winner! |
rocktivity |
Aug-31-11 01:32 PM |
#76 |
| -
I disagree with you on this one. |
Glassunion |
Aug-31-11 02:00 PM |
#90 |
| -
The man got what he wanted |
Loki |
Aug-31-11 02:02 PM |
#91 |
| -
Burglary is not robbery.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-31-11 03:04 PM |
#101 |
| -
Yea, sure, shooting some guy in the back who only has hands/feet doesn't sound like self-defense. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 03:32 PM |
#114 |
| -
Perhaps you might re-read the post I replied to and try a reply that actually makes sense.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-31-11 04:25 PM |
#134 |
| -
I did read your post and the one you responded to. You were wrong. |
Hoyt |
Aug-31-11 06:32 PM |
#158 |
| -
Where the fuck did I say shooting someone in the back, dear? |
X_Digger |
Aug-31-11 07:47 PM |
#159 |
| -
DNA evidence???? |
one-eyed fat man |
Aug-31-11 03:08 PM |
#103 |
| -
"You're coming with me..." Sounds more like a kidnapping at that point. |
jmg257 |
Aug-31-11 04:57 PM |
#144 |
| -
That's just dishonest BS |
rl6214 |
Aug-31-11 06:28 PM |
#157 |
| -
What a coincidence. |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 03:09 PM |
#105 |
| -
You gonna be carrying guns for self-defense, you better know the fucking laws. |
jmg257 |
Aug-31-11 03:59 PM |
#123 |
| -
Hopefully he'll draw a friendly jury... |
ileus |
Aug-31-11 04:20 PM |
#131 |
| -
Gotta disagree with you on this one |
rl6214 |
Aug-31-11 04:22 PM |
#132 |
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I think a decent lawyer could at least spin off a plea bargain... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Aug-31-11 05:21 PM |
#148 |
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Nope. You shoot a punk in the back who's running away... |
Common Sense Party |
Aug-31-11 05:37 PM |
#151 |
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I strongly disagree. Shooting a thief in the back is murder, though not first degree. |
TPaine7 |
Aug-31-11 06:15 PM |
#153 |
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One wonders why he didnt draw and fire before handing the money over |
Endangered Specie |
Aug-31-11 06:17 PM |
#155 |
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Ugh. Legally straightforward, morally a bit trickier |
Euromutt |
Sep-01-11 06:22 AM |
#168 |
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Note that no Anti has offered to reimburse Mr. Canul or other victims of robbery. |
PavePusher |
Sep-01-11 09:59 AM |
#170 |
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I think the telling part is how many "regulars" here are lining up |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 12:51 PM |
#184 |
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Sure is. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 01:08 PM |
#194 |
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I have not seen you offer up your check-book to the victims of robbery. |
PavePusher |
Sep-01-11 01:51 PM |
#198 |
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there is no lack of folks here willing to pull the trigger, is there |
DrDan |
Sep-01-11 04:09 PM |
#200 |
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Nope |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 04:46 PM |
#201 |
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I think it more telling that MORE of us "regular" "toters" are AGAINST |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-01-11 05:15 PM |
#202 |
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"Canul very probably did the one thing he could to prevent losing his weekly or monthly income." |
jmg257 |
Sep-01-11 01:10 PM |
#195 |
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Decisions born of desperation are rarely wise |
Euromutt |
Sep-01-11 10:03 PM |
#206 |
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Sounds like righteous case of murder |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 05:37 PM |
#203 |
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