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Tue Aug-30-11 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #100 |
| 103. Just means the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. |
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I'm sure you all have wonderful gun stories to tell each other. Must be a real hoot.
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| -What Does the U.S. National Crime Victimization Survey Tell Us? |
LAGC |
Aug-29-11 02:54 PM |
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Some do not buy into victimization surveys... For them you'll have to do better. |
Glassunion |
Aug-29-11 03:23 PM |
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Some will also say that if deadly force is not used against you... |
rl6214 |
Aug-29-11 03:26 PM |
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So true! |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 06:08 PM |
#24 |
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Others say just give it up and nothing bad will happen to you. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-29-11 06:12 PM |
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Where's the data for other self-defensive measures? Pepper spray, mace, etc. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 03:45 PM |
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Fact: a properly applied bullet is rarely ineffective, unlike the other measures. |
Maine_Nurse |
Aug-29-11 04:19 PM |
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But be aware that a handgun is not a particularly lethal weapon ... |
spin |
Aug-29-11 04:33 PM |
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true, but |
gejohnston |
Aug-29-11 04:50 PM |
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I totally agree ... |
spin |
Aug-29-11 06:54 PM |
#33 |
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You are correct on many counts there... |
Maine_Nurse |
Aug-30-11 07:02 AM |
#57 |
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Yup. I have one of those Ruger Mark II target pistols ... |
spin |
Aug-30-11 06:29 PM |
#104 |
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Fact: your statement is complete and total nonsense. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 06:05 PM |
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Uhhh, pepper spray, fists, tear gas, etc are actually |
Maine_Nurse |
Aug-30-11 07:07 AM |
#58 |
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No it isnt. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 01:43 PM |
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Effective in taking 30,000 lives annually and costing tens of billions of dollars annually |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 02:06 PM |
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Unimportant. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 03:07 PM |
#80 |
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You're obviously still learning this shit, because you are repeating nonsense |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 03:11 PM |
#81 |
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You're intentionally misrepresenting what I have said. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 03:24 PM |
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"My RIGHTS count far more than some other life ever will." |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 07:50 PM |
#108 |
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Are "toters" sociopaths? nt |
rrneck |
Aug-30-11 08:21 PM |
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What do you think? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 11:24 AM |
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"Are "toters" sociopaths?" Simple question, yes/ no answer. What are you scared of? n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-31-11 11:56 AM |
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Of course most are. Especially the CC toters. What's so difficult to figure out? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 12:04 PM |
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Is someone who conceal carries a |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 12:34 PM |
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Apparently he can't. Either he is afraid to answer, or , more likely ignoring the question. |
oneshooter |
Sep-02-11 05:42 PM |
#180 |
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I haven't seen a more inept or self-serving long-distance-diagnosis since Dr. Frist |
petronius |
Aug-31-11 12:55 PM |
#130 |
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Anybody can figure out |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 12:13 PM |
#120 |
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It's all up there. Check the points you think apply |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 12:30 PM |
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See #126. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 12:36 PM |
#127 |
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Well shit. All my guns are broken, or I'm using them wrong. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-31-11 10:57 AM |
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Yep sure does. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 11:06 AM |
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I called toters sociopaths. Not the entire state of Texas. See how you fit in. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 11:34 AM |
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I dont fit in with any of it. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 12:34 PM |
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Aug-31-11 12:54 PM |
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And once again you insult. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 01:07 PM |
#131 |
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This has nothing to do with criminals or how I feel about them |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 01:46 PM |
#137 |
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Excuse me? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 02:38 PM |
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Questions pending in post #126. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 01:25 PM |
#133 |
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Lives are more important than rights? |
krispos42 |
Aug-31-11 09:01 PM |
#152 |
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What's that supposed to mean? |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 04:34 PM |
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You and I are apparently equally stumped on that one...n/t |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-01-11 04:49 PM |
#158 |
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Oh, nuttin', massah tack |
krispos42 |
Sep-01-11 09:28 PM |
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Sorry, not following your train of thought. |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 11:08 PM |
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That's a possibility |
krispos42 |
Sep-02-11 11:25 AM |
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And according to the DOJ, involved in 60-100 thousand lawful defensive uses per year. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 04:11 PM |
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The stats on lawful defense uses are anecdotal, in the main. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 02:02 PM |
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Aug-29-11 04:43 PM |
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While using red dot sights and dumbed down bullets. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Aug-29-11 05:17 PM |
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You're catching on. Were you the gunner who said he's prepared "clear houses" with his red dot? |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 05:32 PM |
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Hoyt, how do you feel about abortion? |
DWC |
Aug-29-11 05:30 PM |
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More mindless tripe, unless of course you are willing so provide evidence |
rl6214 |
Aug-29-11 05:44 PM |
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Once again you show that you have a great imagination ... |
spin |
Aug-29-11 06:36 PM |
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I recall a study which indicated ANY sort of resistance to violent crimes... |
SteveM |
Aug-30-11 04:16 PM |
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Great Post !!!! Great Information !!!! Thanks !!!! n/t |
DWC |
Aug-29-11 03:49 PM |
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A concealed weapon might come in real handy in both attacks ... |
spin |
Aug-29-11 04:21 PM |
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Report interesting. Did you notice how many offenders were thwarted without resorting to guns? |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 04:29 PM |
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You have never answered my question on what tactics ... |
spin |
Aug-29-11 04:35 PM |
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If you are so overpowered by everyone, carry a stick, cane or something. You don't need a gun. |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 04:38 PM |
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Why carry an obviously inferior weapon? |
Taitertots |
Aug-29-11 05:29 PM |
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He believes that a 74yr old woman who CC a .357 Mag revolver |
oneshooter |
Aug-29-11 06:18 PM |
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Your Mom carries a CC .357 Magnum? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 02:17 PM |
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Wow, sexist and ageist in one sentence. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 04:07 PM |
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If that's an example of how you comprehend the written word, then it helps explain your opinions |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 06:16 PM |
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Not clear to me how her age or gender is otherwise of interest. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 06:52 PM |
#106 |
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Ask Oneshooter. Seemed important to him. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 07:53 PM |
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My wife... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 04:15 PM |
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How wonderful for you. What kinds of threat would cause you or her to shoot someone? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 06:21 PM |
#102 |
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I've already plainly stated |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 12:39 PM |
#128 |
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That is not a value shared by many Democrats. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 01:58 PM |
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True... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 04:32 PM |
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I don't infer your membership of another political party. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 04:43 PM |
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There is no inconsistency. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 05:29 PM |
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Aug-31-11 06:50 PM |
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Intelligent discussion. |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 07:49 PM |
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So all that nonsense about sociopathy you just posted: was that troll-weeding |
petronius |
Aug-31-11 07:52 PM |
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So then you agree that people that risk their lives for property are despicable |
krispos42 |
Aug-31-11 09:05 PM |
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Stealing property is despicable. |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 05:04 PM |
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There you go again, telling less than the truth. n/t |
oneshooter |
Sep-01-11 05:58 PM |
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Please explain what part is less then the truth |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 07:17 PM |
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Pay attention, Rightward. |
krispos42 |
Sep-01-11 09:42 PM |
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None of those things would be worth taking a human life to protect. Sorry. |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 11:12 PM |
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You're seriously suggesting |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-02-11 08:56 AM |
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Please don't twist my words. I said nothing about letting a thief do anything. |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-02-11 01:30 PM |
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Yeah you kinda did. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-02-11 01:56 PM |
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If you want to engage in snark and gunslinger talk, do it with someone else |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-02-11 02:13 PM |
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No snark or gunslinger talk |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-02-11 02:19 PM |
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"I realize you do not see your property as worthy of protecting." |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-02-11 02:49 PM |
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Meh - your opinion. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-02-11 02:54 PM |
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"You have stated your property is not worth a life. Hence, not worth protecting" |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-02-11 04:23 PM |
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Interesting reply. |
krispos42 |
Sep-02-11 11:29 AM |
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A little knowledge can be dangerous. |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-02-11 01:42 PM |
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Apologies |
krispos42 |
Sep-02-11 10:41 PM |
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Meaning what? Do you also believe that it is "sick" for her to be able to defend herself? n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-30-11 05:29 PM |
#100 |
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Just means the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 06:23 PM |
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But you would prefer that she didn't have it, n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-30-11 06:49 PM |
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I would prefer that none of you toted your weapons in public. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 07:54 PM |
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I remember my mother telling me of how she used a S&W LadySmith revolver ... |
spin |
Aug-30-11 06:58 PM |
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Nice story, but we are no longer in the 1920s. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 10:59 AM |
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And some women, like my daughter, still carry a S&W revolver in their purse ... |
spin |
Aug-31-11 12:23 PM |
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Nice pictures, but what does home invasion have to do with toting? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 12:27 PM |
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Well my mother was "toting" ... |
spin |
Aug-31-11 01:12 PM |
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Look, they are both good stories, but neither has anything to do with CC today. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 01:26 PM |
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And who are you to set that line? |
X_Digger |
Aug-31-11 01:29 PM |
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Bullshit. Prove it. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-31-11 01:35 PM |
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Why is it a tad over the top... |
spin |
Aug-31-11 02:57 PM |
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" Why do you consider that your opinion is far superior to others who have a different view?" |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 05:01 PM |
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If you are defining "many" as... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-31-11 05:30 PM |
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When 10,000 gun homicides happen annually, those left grieving |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-31-11 06:54 PM |
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No - they don't care. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-02-11 08:57 AM |
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That is your opinion and I respect it. However I disagree ... |
spin |
Aug-31-11 06:28 PM |
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You bring up many good points and the Fla piece is very educational. |
Starboard Tack |
Sep-01-11 04:31 PM |
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Sep-01-11 06:00 PM |
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This study actually shows that unarmed self-defenders did better than armed ones. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 07:34 PM |
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Exactly! But now that you've pointed that out, the toters will just say guns are a useful tool or |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 07:40 PM |
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Of course, a handgun is absolutely worthless ... |
spin |
Aug-30-11 09:09 AM |
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Have a look again, at the rate of injury for non-resistance, resistance with anything but a gun and |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 04:10 PM |
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Preventing the crime is not actually the important piece. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 04:09 PM |
#85 |
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No, it says the exact opposite |
Taitertots |
Aug-30-11 04:40 PM |
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Why did I never think of that? |
spin |
Aug-29-11 05:49 PM |
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So you'd shoot an unarmed man at 15 feet? And you're right, most states don't allow carrying swords |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 07:32 PM |
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Where did I say I would shoot an unarmed man at 15 feet? |
spin |
Aug-29-11 09:36 PM |
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He's not gonna pull his gun until he is right on you. Unless you have way to identify an attacker |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 11:27 PM |
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do you watch a lot of |
gejohnston |
Aug-29-11 11:46 PM |
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Actually, I was assuming you guys watch/read this stuff as part of you mandatory "training." |
Hoyt |
Aug-30-11 07:32 AM |
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"Actually, I was assuming"... |
rl6214 |
Aug-30-11 01:54 PM |
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As a tool using mammal, I choose the best tools available. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-29-11 05:55 PM |
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Killing an unarmed man with a gun should be a crime if one could have handled it without gun fire.. |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 07:34 PM |
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And it is. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-29-11 07:43 PM |
#44 |
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Ooooh... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 04:19 PM |
#91 |
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Hard to be assaulted with the level of danger implied by that statute |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 04:23 PM |
#92 |
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Yet you implied |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 04:28 PM |
#93 |
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I was being sarcastic. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-30-11 04:31 PM |
#94 |
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Ah ok... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 04:33 PM |
#95 |
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Why? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-30-11 04:18 PM |
#90 |
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If... |
krispos42 |
Aug-31-11 09:23 PM |
#154 |
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No need to insult mammals. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 02:21 PM |
#73 |
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Explain thst comment. If you can. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-30-11 02:47 PM |
#76 |
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Good luck. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-29-11 04:47 PM |
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If you have a gun you can thwart offenders without using it too n/t |
Taitertots |
Aug-29-11 05:26 PM |
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Yea, but the impact on society ain't worth it. I don't care how good guns make you feel. |
Hoyt |
Aug-29-11 07:37 PM |
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There is no negative impact and I don't carry a gun |
Taitertots |
Aug-30-11 04:43 PM |
#97 |
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How does having a gun make it worse? |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 06:16 PM |
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NCVS tells us a lot. |
DanTex |
Aug-29-11 05:13 PM |
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The antis are taking time to try to respond. |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 06:12 PM |
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Aug-29-11 06:35 PM |
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The antis took time to read the study, rather than the misrepresentations. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 07:31 PM |
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You realize that if I carry concealed I am unarmed if I do not pull my weapon? |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 07:36 PM |
#40 |
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You realize that's a non-sequitur? |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 07:42 PM |
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LOL....where did I say the antis were taking time to read the study? If you read... |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 07:44 PM |
#45 |
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First, you said it in reply #25. And second, you just outed yourself as a multiple-account troll. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 07:47 PM |
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You are really embarassing yourself now..... |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 07:52 PM |
#49 |
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Oh, so you don't know what "OP" means. Got it. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 07:59 PM |
#50 |
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LOL....you are losing it. So I guess I am not a "multiple account troll" now. |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 08:26 PM |
#52 |
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And since your temper is hurting your logic..... |
Logical |
Aug-29-11 07:48 PM |
#48 |
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What do you mean by "have a gun and not use it"? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 02:26 PM |
#74 |
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How is he using it? nt |
rrneck |
Aug-30-11 02:49 PM |
#77 |
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Simple... If you have your car keys in your pocket... You are driving. |
Glassunion |
Aug-30-11 02:55 PM |
#78 |
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That would be subjective |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-30-11 03:03 PM |
#79 |
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So |
rrneck |
Aug-30-11 03:13 PM |
#82 |
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A woman is with her family at a lake for a vacation |
krispos42 |
Aug-31-11 09:47 PM |
#155 |
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Not even remotely true. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-02-11 02:22 PM |
#176 |
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From which table do you conclude unarmed measures are "more effective"? |
petronius |
Aug-29-11 07:46 PM |
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Aug-29-11 07:36 PM |
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This whole thing is deceitful. Shame on you. |
ThatPoetGuy |
Aug-29-11 06:30 PM |
#29 |
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Which table were you looking at? Thanks in advance. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-29-11 06:47 PM |
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Aug-29-11 07:00 PM |
#34 |
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Excellent, excellent post. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-29-11 08:17 PM |
#51 |
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Actually, the data doesn't show that at all. |
DanTex |
Aug-29-11 08:27 PM |
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Doesn't sound that way to me. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-30-11 08:29 AM |
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I get that you're skeptical, but the data is the data. See my post #14. |
DanTex |
Aug-30-11 09:22 AM |
#63 |
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It's highly suggestive. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-30-11 10:22 AM |
#65 |
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Actually, that's "self-protective measures" not "protective devices". "devices" is your word. |
DanTex |
Aug-30-11 12:14 PM |
#66 |
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OK, you win. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-30-11 01:36 PM |
#67 |
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You are correct. |
Atypical Liberal |
Aug-30-11 01:47 PM |
#69 |
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Appreciate the honesty. |
DanTex |
Aug-30-11 02:31 PM |
#75 |
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My only hope is the state continues to allow my rights to choose my mode of keeping safe. |
ileus |
Aug-30-11 07:35 AM |
#60 |
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Honest question |
DWC |
Aug-30-11 09:56 AM |
#64 |
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May be redundant, with my post below... |
SteveM |
Aug-30-11 05:20 PM |
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I think the data has put to rest the idea that "no resistance" is best policy... |
SteveM |
Aug-30-11 05:04 PM |
#98 |
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% of armed resistance to violence is extremely small |
DWC |
Aug-30-11 10:19 PM |
#112 |
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If you simply practice "situational awareness" ... |
spin |
Aug-31-11 12:28 PM |
#123 |
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