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48. And since your temper is hurting your logic.....
All I meant is that if I have a gun and do not use it I would still be categorized in the unarmed category. So having a gun does not mean you HAVE to use it.

Now you can get outraged again.
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  -What Does the U.S. National Crime Victimization Survey Tell Us? LAGC  Aug-29-11 02:54 PM   #0 
  - Some do not buy into victimization surveys... For them you'll have to do better.  Glassunion   Aug-29-11 03:23 PM   #1 
  - Some will also say that if deadly force is not used against you...  rl6214   Aug-29-11 03:26 PM   #2 
     - So true!  Logical   Aug-29-11 06:08 PM   #24 
     - Others say just give it up and nothing bad will happen to you. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-29-11 06:12 PM   #26 
  - Where's the data for other self-defensive measures? Pepper spray, mace, etc.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 03:45 PM   #3 
  - Fact: a properly applied bullet is rarely ineffective, unlike the other measures.  Maine_Nurse   Aug-29-11 04:19 PM   #5 
  - But be aware that a handgun is not a particularly lethal weapon ...  spin   Aug-29-11 04:33 PM   #8 
  - true, but  gejohnston   Aug-29-11 04:50 PM   #13 
  - I totally agree ...  spin   Aug-29-11 06:54 PM   #33 
  - You are correct on many counts there...  Maine_Nurse   Aug-30-11 07:02 AM   #57 
     - Yup. I have one of those Ruger Mark II target pistols ...  spin   Aug-30-11 06:29 PM   #104 
  - Fact: your statement is complete and total nonsense.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 06:05 PM   #23 
  - Uhhh, pepper spray, fists, tear gas, etc are actually  Maine_Nurse   Aug-30-11 07:07 AM   #58 
  - No it isnt.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 01:43 PM   #68 
  - Effective in taking 30,000 lives annually and costing tens of billions of dollars annually  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 02:06 PM   #71 
     - Unimportant.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 03:07 PM   #80 
     - You're obviously still learning this shit, because you are repeating nonsense  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 03:11 PM   #81 
        - You're intentionally misrepresenting what I have said.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 03:24 PM   #83 
           - "My RIGHTS count far more than some other life ever will."  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 07:50 PM   #108 
              - Are "toters" sociopaths? nt  rrneck   Aug-30-11 08:21 PM   #111 
              - What do you think?  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 11:24 AM   #116 
                 - "Are "toters" sociopaths?" Simple question, yes/ no answer. What are you scared of? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-31-11 11:56 AM   #118 
                 - Of course most are. Especially the CC toters. What's so difficult to figure out?  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 12:04 PM   #119 
                    - Is someone who conceal carries a  rrneck   Aug-31-11 12:34 PM   #126 
                    - Apparently he can't. Either he is afraid to answer, or , more likely ignoring the question.  oneshooter   Sep-02-11 05:42 PM   #180 
                    - I haven't seen a more inept or self-serving long-distance-diagnosis since Dr. Frist  petronius   Aug-31-11 12:55 PM   #130 
                 - Anybody can figure out  rrneck   Aug-31-11 12:13 PM   #120 
                    - It's all up there. Check the points you think apply  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 12:30 PM   #124 
                       - See #126. nt  rrneck   Aug-31-11 12:36 PM   #127 
              - Well shit. All my guns are broken, or I'm using them wrong.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-31-11 10:57 AM   #113 
              - Yep sure does.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 11:06 AM   #115 
              - I called toters sociopaths. Not the entire state of Texas. See how you fit in.  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 11:34 AM   #117 
                 - I dont fit in with any of it.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 12:34 PM   #125 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-11 12:54 PM   #129 
                       - And once again you insult.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 01:07 PM   #131 
                       - This has nothing to do with criminals or how I feel about them  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 01:46 PM   #137 
                          - Excuse me?  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 02:38 PM   #140 
                       - Questions pending in post #126. nt  rrneck   Aug-31-11 01:25 PM   #133 
              - Lives are more important than rights?  krispos42   Aug-31-11 09:01 PM   #152 
                 - What's that supposed to mean?  Starboard Tack   Sep-01-11 04:34 PM   #157 
                    - You and I are apparently equally stumped on that one...n/t  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-01-11 04:49 PM   #158 
                    - Oh, nuttin', massah tack  krispos42   Sep-01-11 09:28 PM   #163 
                       - Sorry, not following your train of thought.  Starboard Tack   Sep-01-11 11:08 PM   #165 
                          - That's a possibility  krispos42   Sep-02-11 11:25 AM   #169 
     - And according to the DOJ, involved in 60-100 thousand lawful defensive uses per year.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 04:11 PM   #87 
        - The stats on lawful defense uses are anecdotal, in the main.  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 02:02 PM   #139 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-11 04:43 PM   #11 
  - While using red dot sights and dumbed down bullets.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-29-11 05:17 PM   #15 
  - You're catching on. Were you the gunner who said he's prepared "clear houses" with his red dot?  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 05:32 PM   #19 
  - Hoyt, how do you feel about abortion?  DWC   Aug-29-11 05:30 PM   #18 
  - More mindless tripe, unless of course you are willing so provide evidence  rl6214   Aug-29-11 05:44 PM   #20 
  - Once again you show that you have a great imagination ...  spin   Aug-29-11 06:36 PM   #31 
  - I recall a study which indicated ANY sort of resistance to violent crimes...  SteveM   Aug-30-11 04:16 PM   #89 
  - Great Post !!!! Great Information !!!! Thanks !!!! n/t  DWC   Aug-29-11 03:49 PM   #4 
  - A concealed weapon might come in real handy in both attacks ...  spin   Aug-29-11 04:21 PM   #6 
  - Report interesting. Did you notice how many offenders were thwarted without resorting to guns?  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 04:29 PM   #7 
  - You have never answered my question on what tactics ...  spin   Aug-29-11 04:35 PM   #9 
  - If you are so overpowered by everyone, carry a stick, cane or something. You don't need a gun.  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 04:38 PM   #10 
  - Why carry an obviously inferior weapon?  Taitertots   Aug-29-11 05:29 PM   #17 
  - He believes that a 74yr old woman who CC a .357 Mag revolver  oneshooter   Aug-29-11 06:18 PM   #28 
  - Your Mom carries a CC .357 Magnum?  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 02:17 PM   #72 
     - Wow, sexist and ageist in one sentence.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 04:07 PM   #84 
     - If that's an example of how you comprehend the written word, then it helps explain your opinions  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 06:16 PM   #101 
        - Not clear to me how her age or gender is otherwise of interest.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 06:52 PM   #106 
           - Ask Oneshooter. Seemed important to him.  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 07:53 PM   #109 
     - My wife...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 04:15 PM   #88 
     - How wonderful for you. What kinds of threat would cause you or her to shoot someone?  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 06:21 PM   #102 
        - I've already plainly stated  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 12:39 PM   #128 
           - That is not a value shared by many Democrats.  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 01:58 PM   #138 
              - True...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 04:32 PM   #142 
              - I don't infer your membership of another political party.  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 04:43 PM   #143 
                 - There is no inconsistency.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 05:29 PM   #145 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-11 06:50 PM   #148 
                       - Intelligent discussion.  rrneck   Aug-31-11 07:49 PM   #150 
                       - So all that nonsense about sociopathy you just posted: was that troll-weeding  petronius   Aug-31-11 07:52 PM   #151 
              - So then you agree that people that risk their lives for property are despicable  krispos42   Aug-31-11 09:05 PM   #153 
                 - Stealing property is despicable.  Starboard Tack   Sep-01-11 05:04 PM   #159 
                    - There you go again, telling less than the truth. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-01-11 05:58 PM   #160 
                    - Please explain what part is less then the truth  Starboard Tack   Sep-01-11 07:17 PM   #162 
                    - Pay attention, Rightward.  krispos42   Sep-01-11 09:42 PM   #164 
                       - None of those things would be worth taking a human life to protect. Sorry.  Starboard Tack   Sep-01-11 11:12 PM   #166 
                          - You're seriously suggesting  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-02-11 08:56 AM   #167 
                          - Please don't twist my words. I said nothing about letting a thief do anything.  Starboard Tack   Sep-02-11 01:30 PM   #171 
                             - Yeah you kinda did.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-02-11 01:56 PM   #173 
                                - If you want to engage in snark and gunslinger talk, do it with someone else  Starboard Tack   Sep-02-11 02:13 PM   #174 
                                   - No snark or gunslinger talk  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-02-11 02:19 PM   #175 
                                   - "I realize you do not see your property as worthy of protecting."  Starboard Tack   Sep-02-11 02:49 PM   #177 
                                   - Meh - your opinion.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-02-11 02:54 PM   #178 
                                   - "You have stated your property is not worth a life. Hence, not worth protecting"  Starboard Tack   Sep-02-11 04:23 PM   #179 
                          - Interesting reply.  krispos42   Sep-02-11 11:29 AM   #170 
                             - A little knowledge can be dangerous.  Starboard Tack   Sep-02-11 01:42 PM   #172 
                                - Apologies  krispos42   Sep-02-11 10:41 PM   #181 
     - Meaning what? Do you also believe that it is "sick" for her to be able to defend herself? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-30-11 05:29 PM   #100 
        - Just means the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 06:23 PM   #103 
           - But you would prefer that she didn't have it, n/t  oneshooter   Aug-30-11 06:49 PM   #105 
           - I would prefer that none of you toted your weapons in public.  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 07:54 PM   #110 
           - I remember my mother telling me of how she used a S&W LadySmith revolver ...  spin   Aug-30-11 06:58 PM   #107 
              - Nice story, but we are no longer in the 1920s.  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 10:59 AM   #114 
                 - And some women, like my daughter, still carry a S&W revolver in their purse ...  spin   Aug-31-11 12:23 PM   #121 
                    - Nice pictures, but what does home invasion have to do with toting?  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 12:27 PM   #122 
                       - Well my mother was "toting" ...  spin   Aug-31-11 01:12 PM   #132 
                          - Look, they are both good stories, but neither has anything to do with CC today.  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 01:26 PM   #134 
                             - And who are you to set that line?  X_Digger   Aug-31-11 01:29 PM   #135 
                             - Bullshit. Prove it. nt  rrneck   Aug-31-11 01:35 PM   #136 
                             - Why is it a tad over the top...  spin   Aug-31-11 02:57 PM   #141 
                                - " Why do you consider that your opinion is far superior to others who have a different view?"  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 05:01 PM   #144 
                                   - If you are defining "many" as...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-31-11 05:30 PM   #146 
                                   - When 10,000 gun homicides happen annually, those left grieving  Starboard Tack   Aug-31-11 06:54 PM   #149 
                                      - No - they don't care.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-02-11 08:57 AM   #168 
                                   - That is your opinion and I respect it. However I disagree ...  spin   Aug-31-11 06:28 PM   #147 
                                      - You bring up many good points and the Fla piece is very educational.  Starboard Tack   Sep-01-11 04:31 PM   #156 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-01-11 06:00 PM   #161 
  - This study actually shows that unarmed self-defenders did better than armed ones.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 07:34 PM   #38 
     - Exactly! But now that you've pointed that out, the toters will just say guns are a useful tool or  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 07:40 PM   #42 
     - Of course, a handgun is absolutely worthless ...  spin   Aug-30-11 09:09 AM   #62 
     - Have a look again, at the rate of injury for non-resistance, resistance with anything but a gun and  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 04:10 PM   #86 
     - Preventing the crime is not actually the important piece.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 04:09 PM   #85 
     - No, it says the exact opposite  Taitertots   Aug-30-11 04:40 PM   #96 
  - Why did I never think of that?  spin   Aug-29-11 05:49 PM   #21 
  - So you'd shoot an unarmed man at 15 feet? And you're right, most states don't allow carrying swords  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 07:32 PM   #36 
     - Where did I say I would shoot an unarmed man at 15 feet?  spin   Aug-29-11 09:36 PM   #54 
        - He's not gonna pull his gun until he is right on you. Unless you have way to identify an attacker  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 11:27 PM   #55 
           - do you watch a lot of  gejohnston   Aug-29-11 11:46 PM   #56 
              - Actually, I was assuming you guys watch/read this stuff as part of you mandatory "training."  Hoyt   Aug-30-11 07:32 AM   #59 
                 - "Actually, I was assuming"...  rl6214   Aug-30-11 01:54 PM   #70 
  - As a tool using mammal, I choose the best tools available.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-29-11 05:55 PM   #22 
     - Killing an unarmed man with a gun should be a crime if one could have handled it without gun fire..  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 07:34 PM   #37 
     - And it is.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-29-11 07:43 PM   #44 
     - Ooooh...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 04:19 PM   #91 
        - Hard to be assaulted with the level of danger implied by that statute  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 04:23 PM   #92 
           - Yet you implied  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 04:28 PM   #93 
              - I was being sarcastic.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-30-11 04:31 PM   #94 
                 - Ah ok...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 04:33 PM   #95 
     - Why?  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-30-11 04:18 PM   #90 
     - If...  krispos42   Aug-31-11 09:23 PM   #154 
     - No need to insult mammals.  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 02:21 PM   #73 
        - Explain thst comment. If you can. nt  rrneck   Aug-30-11 02:47 PM   #76 
  - Good luck. nt  rrneck   Aug-29-11 04:47 PM   #12 
  - If you have a gun you can thwart offenders without using it too n/t  Taitertots   Aug-29-11 05:26 PM   #16 
  - Yea, but the impact on society ain't worth it. I don't care how good guns make you feel.  Hoyt   Aug-29-11 07:37 PM   #41 
     - There is no negative impact and I don't carry a gun  Taitertots   Aug-30-11 04:43 PM   #97 
  - How does having a gun make it worse?  Logical   Aug-29-11 06:16 PM   #27 
  - NCVS tells us a lot.  DanTex   Aug-29-11 05:13 PM   #14 
  - The antis are taking time to try to respond.  Logical   Aug-29-11 06:12 PM   #25 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-11 06:35 PM   #30 
  - The antis took time to read the study, rather than the misrepresentations.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 07:31 PM   #35 
  - You realize that if I carry concealed I am unarmed if I do not pull my weapon?  Logical   Aug-29-11 07:36 PM   #40 
  - You realize that's a non-sequitur?  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 07:42 PM   #43 
     - LOL....where did I say the antis were taking time to read the study? If you read...  Logical   Aug-29-11 07:44 PM   #45 
     - First, you said it in reply #25. And second, you just outed yourself as a multiple-account troll.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 07:47 PM   #47 
        - You are really embarassing yourself now.....  Logical   Aug-29-11 07:52 PM   #49 
           - Oh, so you don't know what "OP" means. Got it.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 07:59 PM   #50 
              - LOL....you are losing it. So I guess I am not a "multiple account troll" now.  Logical   Aug-29-11 08:26 PM   #52 
     - And since your temper is hurting your logic.....  Logical   Aug-29-11 07:48 PM   #48 
        - What do you mean by "have a gun and not use it"?  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 02:26 PM   #74 
           - How is he using it? nt  rrneck   Aug-30-11 02:49 PM   #77 
           - Simple... If you have your car keys in your pocket... You are driving.  Glassunion   Aug-30-11 02:55 PM   #78 
           - That would be subjective  Starboard Tack   Aug-30-11 03:03 PM   #79 
              - So  rrneck   Aug-30-11 03:13 PM   #82 
           - A woman is with her family at a lake for a vacation  krispos42   Aug-31-11 09:47 PM   #155 
           - Not even remotely true.  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-02-11 02:22 PM   #176 
  - From which table do you conclude unarmed measures are "more effective"?  petronius   Aug-29-11 07:46 PM   #46 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-29-11 07:36 PM   #39 
  - This whole thing is deceitful. Shame on you.  ThatPoetGuy   Aug-29-11 06:30 PM   #29 
  - Which table were you looking at? Thanks in advance. nt  rrneck   Aug-29-11 06:47 PM   #32 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-29-11 07:00 PM   #34 
  - Excellent, excellent post.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-29-11 08:17 PM   #51 
  - Actually, the data doesn't show that at all.  DanTex   Aug-29-11 08:27 PM   #53 
     - Doesn't sound that way to me.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-30-11 08:29 AM   #61 
        - I get that you're skeptical, but the data is the data. See my post #14.  DanTex   Aug-30-11 09:22 AM   #63 
           - It's highly suggestive.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-30-11 10:22 AM   #65 
              - Actually, that's "self-protective measures" not "protective devices". "devices" is your word.  DanTex   Aug-30-11 12:14 PM   #66 
                 - OK, you win.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-30-11 01:36 PM   #67 
                 - You are correct.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-30-11 01:47 PM   #69 
                    - Appreciate the honesty.  DanTex   Aug-30-11 02:31 PM   #75 
  - My only hope is the state continues to allow my rights to choose my mode of keeping safe.  ileus   Aug-30-11 07:35 AM   #60 
  - Honest question  DWC   Aug-30-11 09:56 AM   #64 
  - May be redundant, with my post below...  SteveM   Aug-30-11 05:20 PM   #99 
  - I think the data has put to rest the idea that "no resistance" is best policy...  SteveM   Aug-30-11 05:04 PM   #98 
  - % of armed resistance to violence is extremely small  DWC   Aug-30-11 10:19 PM   #112 
     - If you simply practice "situational awareness" ...  spin   Aug-31-11 12:28 PM   #123 
 

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