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114. You left out one important point - she actually went to one.
That vast majority of people that show up here telling us how horrible gun shows are or how easy it is to buy scads of marginally illegal guns at a show to stock the local gang with, have never actually been to one. They are either working directly from pre-conceived notions, fostered by the Brady's et. al. or lying through their smugly held teeth.

The vast swaths of KKK. Nazi memorabilia and machine gun conversions kits they claim to have "seen for sale" at gun shows that we hear about are probably the best examples of the BS they try to pass off.

But! At least MommaPolitico actually went to one. Some of her impressions were confirming preconceived notions and that was done more out of her (small i) ignorance of firearm related things like "things that look like machine gun aren't really a machine gun and really can't be made into a machine gun without a machine shop" reminds me of my own sisters that held that view for years until our mother straightened them out. The fact that it was mostly white attendees at the show she went to could very well be based on the location rather than any built in prejudice. Another component might also be related to her own occasional admitted use of hyperbole to make the article more interesting.

But let's give her credit for challenging her own preconceived notions, even if we may not agree with where she came out on every point.

If she goes again she'll be a little bit smarter and after her range trips a little more educated on what she's looking at.
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  -(liberal) MommaPolitico's shooting range impressions Xela  Aug-24-11 01:04 PM   #0 
  - I saw in the comment a guy had a Armed Liberal bumper sticker.  Bonhomme Richard   Aug-24-11 01:12 PM   #1 
  - Side tracked...  Xela   Aug-24-11 01:15 PM   #2 
     - Cool, thanks for that link. nt  Union Scribe   Aug-24-11 01:55 PM   #11 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 02:14 PM   #15 
        - I read the LGC topic link. What ethno centrism/bigotry are you referring to?  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-24-11 06:23 PM   #34 
           - I suspect I am the person being addressed  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:43 PM   #37 
              - Yes, you are free to say it and I would never claim otherwise  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-25-11 09:55 AM   #68 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-25-11 02:45 PM   #76 
  - No surprise that she and her family had a good time ...  spin   Aug-24-11 01:17 PM   #3 
  - I've only been shooting twice my entire life which I chronicled at this very forum.  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-24-11 01:26 PM   #4 
  - Interesting that she had so many stereotypes in mind to start  DonP   Aug-24-11 03:06 PM   #18 
     - That's a very good point. (n/t)  spin   Aug-24-11 04:42 PM   #26 
     - I kind of had them as well, and truth be told some "gun enthusiatsts"  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-24-11 06:25 PM   #35 
     - and yet her basic "stereotype" was bang on  iverglas   Aug-24-11 09:32 PM   #43 
     - Textual evidence?  Francis Marion   Aug-27-11 03:01 AM   #109 
     - Excellent post.  WAFS   Aug-24-11 09:43 PM   #45 
        - Thanks from Momma Politico  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:09 AM   #50 
           - what media are these?  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:25 AM   #62 
           - Examples  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:20 PM   #118 
              - sorry ...  iverglas   Sep-07-11 01:33 PM   #140 
           - Interesting insight  DonP   Aug-25-11 10:20 AM   #71 
              - Many thanks!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:22 PM   #119 
  - Oh noes! She's letting the racist right wing determine her actions!  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-24-11 01:28 PM   #5 
  - You forgot the 'to many', 'some people say', etc.. n/t  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 01:32 PM   #6 
  - every honest person acknowledges these black women are using racism  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-24-11 01:36 PM   #8 
  - oh noes! Are you being conservative with the truth?1?!?  iverglas   Aug-24-11 02:07 PM   #14 
  - Sorry to disappoint, but, I Momma Politico, am still a liberal Dem.  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:12 AM   #51 
     - you are the hapless bystander in someone's effort to impugn me, I fear  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:28 AM   #63 
        - Thanks for the clarification  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:24 PM   #120 
  - Did she fear the response of conservatives or fellow liberals?...  SteveM   Aug-24-11 01:34 PM   #7 
  - Not for fear from fellow liberals  Xela   Aug-24-11 01:51 PM   #10 
  - Wow - that's a lot of opinion for someone who really doesn't know me at all!  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:23 AM   #54 
     - ah, so  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:29 AM   #64 
     - It was unclear from your writing who it was you were concerned about...  SteveM   Aug-25-11 03:00 PM   #80 
        - Glad to hear you're a long-time follower, Steve  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:29 PM   #121 
  - Oh my!!!!  Xela   Aug-24-11 01:47 PM   #9 
  - Come on back soon, y'hear?  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:35 PM   #122 
     - You, too!...  SteveM   Sep-06-11 04:50 PM   #139 
  - Nothing wrong with a liberal, or even a conservative, at a gun-shooting range.  dtexdem   Aug-24-11 02:02 PM   #12 
  - it's amazing how they can't tell the difference, isn't it?  iverglas   Aug-24-11 02:15 PM   #16 
  - But it is possible that target shooting can lead to getting a concealed carry permit ...  spin   Aug-24-11 05:11 PM   #28 
  - yes, and drinking water can lead to vodka addiction  iverglas   Aug-24-11 05:26 PM   #30 
  - Generally, if carrying CONCEALED, people can't tell the difference.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Aug-25-11 09:57 AM   #69 
  - I see no problem with allowing a person with a CCW ...  spin   Aug-24-11 04:59 PM   #27 
  - many states, NC included,  melm00se   Aug-29-11 07:05 AM   #112 
  - Bars and sports stadiums are illegal to enter with a Texas CHL.  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 05:31 PM   #32 
  - How do you know if someone is carrying concealed?  WAFS   Aug-24-11 09:47 PM   #46 
     - "How do you know if someone is carrying concealed?"  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-25-11 12:38 PM   #74 
  - The family that shoots together stays together.  ileus   Aug-24-11 02:06 PM   #13 
  - Some of her other gun related observations....  Xela   Aug-24-11 02:21 PM   #17 
  - so let's have a look  iverglas   Aug-24-11 04:24 PM   #25 
     - Yet not so offputting as to preclude a day at the range, where she had a good time.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-24-11 08:23 PM   #36 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 08:46 PM   #38 
     - a sarcastic way of saying  gejohnston   Aug-24-11 09:18 PM   #40 
        - Well, no, not really. More of a comment upon certain commenters *here*, actually.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-11 12:13 AM   #52 
           - ah, so  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:34 AM   #66 
           - Thanks  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:10 PM   #117 
     - I actually went to the range first.  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:26 AM   #55 
     - been to a lot of gun shows  gejohnston   Aug-24-11 09:16 PM   #39 
     - she -- "Momma Politico" -- did you read it??  iverglas   Aug-24-11 09:25 PM   #41 
        - Yeah  gejohnston   Aug-24-11 09:31 PM   #42 
        - let Salon magazine know you're "calling bullshit"  iverglas   Aug-24-11 09:34 PM   #44 
           - LOL! What a hoot!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:39 PM   #123 
              - I never said I wanted you  gejohnston   Sep-05-11 10:32 PM   #134 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-10-11 02:08 PM   #143 
        - Only been to one so far  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:29 AM   #56 
           - you will have to be careful  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:32 AM   #65 
              - Goo to know  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:43 PM   #124 
     - Ok...let's. She says there were "Glocks from World War II"  Abin Sur   Aug-24-11 10:48 PM   #47 
        - There's more where that came from:  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-11 12:07 AM   #49 
        - Let's discuss my literacy  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:34 AM   #58 
        - I never claimed to be an expert  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:31 AM   #57 
        - In all candor, the MRE vendor probably thought you were trying to undercut them  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-11 12:41 AM   #60 
        - Huh?  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:45 PM   #125 
           - You implied that the  gejohnston   Sep-05-11 10:36 PM   #135 
        - In all fairness  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 10:32 AM   #72 
           - Very interesting  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-25-11 12:54 PM   #75 
           - Maybe it's a guy thing  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 02:56 PM   #79 
           - I don't think I could share *that* level of enthusiasm  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-25-11 04:44 PM   #87 
           - To each their own  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 05:09 PM   #88 
           - so what does this mean? (edited)  iverglas   Aug-25-11 05:35 PM   #90 
              - "Is what other people do in matters personal to them really any of your concern?"  Nuclear Unicorn   Aug-25-11 05:59 PM   #92 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-25-11 06:09 PM   #93 
                 - did you not understand the question?  iverglas   Aug-26-11 09:50 AM   #105 
                 - You go, Girl!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:02 PM   #128 
           - If you can get down to Texas, I can get you on a 1914 built Battleship.  oneshooter   Aug-25-11 05:27 PM   #89 
              - I'm actually going to be passing through Houston on Sunday  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 06:20 PM   #95 
           - "I am totally sympathetic to mommapolitico's reaction  iverglas   Aug-25-11 03:02 PM   #81 
           - I appreciate the thoughtful reply, too  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:57 PM   #126 
              - Vendors simply don't offer to throw in free full auto conversion kits at gun shows  Abin Sur   Sep-05-11 11:48 PM   #136 
                 - I doubt she misunderstood- more likely a scam to try and make a sale, IMO.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-06-11 01:00 PM   #138 
           - "As for the KKK lighter, I've never seen one or anything like that at a gun show."  iverglas   Aug-25-11 02:49 PM   #77 
           - Are you asserting  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 03:02 PM   #82 
              - It was pretty weird  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:01 PM   #127 
                 - As you point out  Abin Sur   Sep-05-11 11:52 PM   #137 
           - "Some people do find the defense of civil liberties terrifying."  iverglas   Aug-25-11 02:53 PM   #78 
              - You brought up her trip the gun show...not me!  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 03:20 PM   #84 
                 - "what's to address?"  iverglas   Aug-25-11 04:18 PM   #85 
                    - What "shit" did I make up? And please, be specific.  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 04:33 PM   #86 
                       - subject line of post 78  iverglas   Aug-25-11 05:37 PM   #91 
                          - So you're asserting that some people *don't* find the defense of civil liberties terrifying?  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 06:15 PM   #94 
                             - I'm asserting that I can see through your stupid game  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:42 PM   #96 
                                - "But I digress"  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 08:03 PM   #97 
                                   - subject line of post 78  iverglas   Aug-25-11 08:06 PM   #98 
                                      - The subject line in question is "Some people do find the defense of civil liberties terrifying."  Abin Sur   Aug-25-11 08:15 PM   #99 
                                         - And some people here have an unwarranted belief that they are morally superior to other DUers...  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-11 08:45 PM   #100 
                                         - stand by your statements, sit on your statements  iverglas   Aug-26-11 07:04 AM   #103 
                                         - and I hope Momma Politico reads that statement in your post 72  iverglas   Aug-26-11 07:03 AM   #102 
                                            - It's certainly not irrelevant  Abin Sur   Aug-26-11 09:21 AM   #104 
                                               - I calls 'em as I sees 'em, pal  iverglas   Aug-26-11 09:51 AM   #106 
                                                  - That's quite all right, dear  Abin Sur   Aug-26-11 09:22 PM   #107 
                                                  - Thanks!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:08 PM   #129 
        - Hang on  Francis Marion   Aug-27-11 03:50 AM   #110 
           - You left out one important point - she actually went to one.  DonP   Aug-29-11 09:14 AM   #114 
           - Thanks.  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:12 PM   #130 
           - Thanks from Momma Politico  mommapolitico   Oct-09-11 03:42 PM   #141 
  - Why all the unrecs?  Atypical Liberal   Aug-24-11 03:34 PM   #19 
  - Cognitive dissonance?  Xela   Aug-24-11 03:37 PM   #20 
  - I gave it a +1 even thought it had a slight anti-bias  ileus   Aug-24-11 03:43 PM   #21 
  - Playing army was "fun" when 8 year old -- then you learn the truth.  Hoyt   Aug-24-11 04:02 PM   #22 
  - The truth that target shooting is nothing like being in the army?  Atypical Liberal   Aug-24-11 04:15 PM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 04:18 PM   #24 
     - New ideas -- I was shooting at 7 or 8. Grew out of it though -- thank God.  Hoyt   Aug-24-11 05:20 PM   #29 
        - I have no problem with your decision to give up shooting ...  spin   Aug-24-11 05:31 PM   #31 
        - Sure you were - "making another point"?  DonP   Aug-24-11 06:18 PM   #33 
  - Thank you for your civil and respectful comment.  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:38 AM   #59 
  - You shouldn't let it bother you too much  chibajoe   Aug-25-11 09:17 AM   #67 
  - in case Momma Politico is as puzzled as I was  iverglas   Aug-25-11 03:13 PM   #83 
  - Good advice!  mommapolitico   Oct-09-11 03:44 PM   #142 
  - Everything you ever wanted to know about MRE's..  MicaelS   Aug-25-11 11:26 AM   #73 
  - No problem. I enjoyed your article.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-25-11 10:03 PM   #101 
     - +1 Hear that, people? If you are gun owner, take a friend to a range and let them shoot n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-26-11 09:34 PM   #108 
     - bilge  iverglas   Aug-27-11 09:24 PM   #111 
  - ...but  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:14 PM   #131 
  - Thanks from Momma Politico  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:05 AM   #48 
  - And thank *you* for joining DU. You will certainly not be bored here.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-11 12:19 AM   #53 
  - Many thanks, friendl_iconoclast  mommapolitico   Aug-25-11 12:42 AM   #61 
     - I just added your blog to my reading list, thanks. Good stuff. :-)  benEzra   Aug-29-11 06:11 PM   #115 
        - Thanks, Ben!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 09:03 PM   #116 
        - Good!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:15 PM   #132 
  - Heeelloooo Momma Politico...  Xela   Aug-25-11 10:10 AM   #70 
     - Hi Xela!  mommapolitico   Sep-05-11 10:17 PM   #133 
  - What a difference a day makes. Great post! n/t  DWC   Aug-29-11 08:44 AM   #113 

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