| -Why is open carry such a big deal? |
RSillsbee |
Aug-21-11 09:19 PM |
#0 |
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Because in most big cities we have a war going on and open carry would make it worse. |
harun |
Aug-21-11 09:24 PM |
#1 |
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What war? |
RSillsbee |
Aug-21-11 09:25 PM |
#2 |
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what war ... |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:02 AM |
#50 |
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If the Right Wing is "engaged...in war," maybe YOU should start packing. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:20 PM |
#111 |
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no thank you, I am already living where I want to live |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 06:53 PM |
#151 |
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And how does legal exercise of a Civil Right "make it worse"? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 08:03 AM |
#40 |
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kinda the same way the legal exercise of some other "civil rights" does |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:04 AM |
#51 |
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I feel that the gun issues are.. |
stuckinarut |
Aug-21-11 09:27 PM |
#3 |
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Assuming you are one who is a trained toter, why do you carry if not to possibly kill? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 02:40 AM |
#26 |
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Even the times I have killed |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 05:21 AM |
#30 |
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I carry mostly at night, |
stuckinarut |
Aug-22-11 07:25 AM |
#36 |
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But you said "sometimes non-trained people kill others with guns.." |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 01:16 PM |
#67 |
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My bad... |
stuckinarut |
Aug-22-11 03:03 PM |
#84 |
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You shoot center of mass |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 06:09 PM |
#134 |
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I'm not stupid. I know why you shoot center of mass. To kill. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 11:21 AM |
#271 |
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To stop, dear. |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 11:23 AM |
#272 |
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Followed by that lovely head shot, or is that just to part his hair. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 04:18 PM |
#296 |
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If two shots to the chest didn't stop the threat, yes, then one to the head. |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 04:26 PM |
#297 |
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I prefer yelling. Never fails. Lot less messy. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 04:46 PM |
#298 |
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Good thing that what you prefer has nothing to do with what anyone else can do. n/t |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 05:16 PM |
#302 |
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I'm sure that makes you feel good thinking anyone who disagrees with you has no relevance |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 05:47 PM |
#305 |
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Have fun with that.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 06:09 PM |
#306 |
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Actually, I think it's a great idea. Good for guard dogs. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 06:29 PM |
#307 |
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Good for you :) Be sure to let us know how that works out. n/t |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 06:42 PM |
#308 |
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Actually, it's to hit. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-24-11 02:17 PM |
#286 |
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You never carry to kill you carry to save. |
ileus |
Aug-22-11 07:44 AM |
#39 |
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What a crock of shit. "You never carry to kill you carry to save." |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 01:30 PM |
#72 |
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it goes like this in the extended version |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 02:03 PM |
#78 |
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The mozambique drill is not new. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 03:25 PM |
#91 |
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The "Mozambique drill " was designed to defeat opponents wearing body armor. |
oneshooter |
Aug-24-11 07:26 PM |
#309 |
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this do in honour of dead mercenaries |
iverglas |
Aug-26-11 02:48 PM |
#368 |
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Your 'belittling' aside, most of us view firearms as being for the purpose of preserving human life. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 02:46 PM |
#82 |
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Wrong! Most of us don't. (Us being the people) |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 03:03 PM |
#83 |
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[Citation Required] |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 03:13 PM |
#88 |
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OK I read it. Didn't see anything about "preserving human life" |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 08:54 PM |
#161 |
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The DoJ offers no such opinion. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-23-11 12:29 AM |
#179 |
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Obfuscation. You cited it to back up your argument tha guns are toted |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 11:24 AM |
#208 |
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As are you. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-23-11 11:38 AM |
#209 |
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Of course I am, but not to protect my property. Only my life or another's life. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 08:46 PM |
#221 |
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If you have hands and feet, you are similarly prepared to take human life. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-23-11 11:42 AM |
#210 |
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OK, so am I correct in thinking you would not kill anyone to protect property? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 08:48 PM |
#222 |
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Correct. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-24-11 01:58 AM |
#243 |
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"Not so much so, for a robbery, as an implicit threat to the victim's safety is part of the deal". |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 02:59 AM |
#246 |
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I would immediately take appropriate counter-measures. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-24-11 09:59 AM |
#262 |
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OK. So you would have to feel an impending threat to your life. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 10:56 AM |
#269 |
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I am entirely motivated by risk to my safety. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-24-11 12:29 PM |
#277 |
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Really? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 11:38 AM |
#348 |
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Why do I get that impression? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-25-11 03:44 PM |
#350 |
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Yes, TX has no problem with using force... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 04:16 PM |
#351 |
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I'll take the beach over Texas any day. We know where your values are. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-25-11 05:24 PM |
#356 |
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We've got beaches here too... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 05:32 PM |
#358 |
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"If a criminal bets his life is worth less than my stuff, I'm more than happy to prove him right" |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-26-11 07:36 PM |
#370 |
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I would not be so sure of that |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-26-11 11:29 PM |
#372 |
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I am not sure of anything regarding LE. It attracts a rather odd mix. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-27-11 10:56 AM |
#373 |
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Sometimes, killing is a neccesary action. n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-23-11 01:55 PM |
#217 |
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Correct, but only when defending the life of oneself or another. Not one's property. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 08:50 PM |
#223 |
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I have large parts of my life invested in my property. |
PavePusher |
Aug-24-11 12:03 AM |
#237 |
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You have non-lethal alternatives. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-24-11 02:02 AM |
#244 |
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I have no say, you are correct. But you've made it quite clear where you stand. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 03:11 AM |
#247 |
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You didn't read what I wrote. Here, I'll restate it for you... |
PavePusher |
Aug-24-11 12:24 PM |
#276 |
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I'm a potential killer |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 11:27 AM |
#347 |
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Do you actually.... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-22-11 03:15 PM |
#89 |
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No feelings involved. Just common sense. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 08:56 PM |
#162 |
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Common sense... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-23-11 09:13 AM |
#199 |
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No it didn't. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-25-11 10:21 AM |
#340 |
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And how many have voted for you to speak for them? n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-22-11 03:44 PM |
#96 |
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A handgun is not designed to take life |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-22-11 03:11 PM |
#87 |
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What absolute drivel. Handguns are designed specifically to kill. Period. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 09:12 PM |
#226 |
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"You seem to attach way too much importance to your own life." -- lol |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 10:56 PM |
#232 |
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If they're designed to kill |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 11:25 AM |
#346 |
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That's what tasers do and mace and pepper spray |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-25-11 03:01 PM |
#349 |
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So what? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 04:19 PM |
#352 |
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You definitely have a problem |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-25-11 05:11 PM |
#355 |
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Yes i did... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 05:24 PM |
#357 |
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And I take my coffee with cream and one sugar. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-26-11 12:26 PM |
#363 |
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" toters' training handbook " ? Where can I get one of these? n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-22-11 03:42 PM |
#94 |
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You can download it from Dick Tracy's wrist T.V. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:31 PM |
#114 |
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You mean my NRA decoder ring/bottle opener won't work!!! Damn!!!! n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-22-11 06:19 PM |
#140 |
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The two-tube Cub Scout radio diagram shows where an app would fit! nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:43 PM |
#149 |
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Amazon.com |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 09:21 PM |
#227 |
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Well, keep the heat low in your kitchen when you cook it... |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:29 PM |
#112 |
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And the pendulum swings |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 09:24 PM |
#228 |
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The thug establishes cred within his criminal culture by killing. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-25-11 05:42 PM |
#359 |
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My SD handguns were designed to save the lives of my loved ones if needed. |
ileus |
Aug-24-11 08:45 AM |
#254 |
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'Most'? |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 03:20 PM |
#90 |
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I used to date the Spox of a county PD |
Ruby the Liberal |
Aug-21-11 09:27 PM |
#4 |
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Spox? NT |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 05:22 AM |
#31 |
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Spokesperson. |
Ruby the Liberal |
Aug-22-11 02:41 PM |
#81 |
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Ah So Ka Thank you NT |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 06:06 PM |
#132 |
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Of course, there is no actual data to back that up.... n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 08:05 AM |
#41 |
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spokesperson |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:10 AM |
#52 |
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To many the sight of a loaded firearm is intimidating and frightening. |
Speck Tater |
Aug-21-11 09:30 PM |
#5 |
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Wjy should anyone be compelled |
rrneck |
Aug-21-11 10:16 PM |
#14 |
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Because it might cause people who dislike firearms to go to the polls ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 11:46 AM |
#57 |
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Exactly, IMHO the intent is virtually always to intimidate and threaten. |
kestrel91316 |
Aug-21-11 11:17 PM |
#20 |
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+1000 |
RC |
Aug-22-11 01:34 AM |
#24 |
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Are you able to prove intent? NT |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 05:24 AM |
#32 |
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So every time you see a cop you become a puddle of yourself? |
Union Scribe |
Aug-22-11 07:03 AM |
#35 |
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"...a puddle of yourself?" LOL! nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:48 PM |
#119 |
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Projection, much? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 08:08 AM |
#43 |
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I do not think that is a fair statement |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:40 AM |
#45 |
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Why would you want to live in a place where that was the ONLY option? nt |
Speck Tater |
Aug-22-11 02:12 PM |
#79 |
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You going to help finance people moving? |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 05:31 PM |
#113 |
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Goodness, the method of carry would trump where you would live? |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:53 PM |
#121 |
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I wouldn't that's why I live in Colorado NT |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 06:17 PM |
#138 |
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It is not for me, but for most in CA, open carry is the only option |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:37 PM |
#155 |
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As you said... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-22-11 03:33 PM |
#92 |
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Your guilty-until-proven-otherwise outlook is no surprise. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:47 PM |
#118 |
| -
+1. Nice post. Right on the nail |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 02:47 AM |
#28 |
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To many the sight of a any firearm is intimidating and frightening. |
oneshooter |
Aug-22-11 07:31 AM |
#37 |
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Something you are obviously thinking when you scare those muscled tool oglers away |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 09:32 PM |
#229 |
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You mean the ones that were rolling my toolbox down the street? |
oneshooter |
Aug-23-11 10:23 PM |
#230 |
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Your story keeps changing. Now they were rolling your tools down the street |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 03:39 AM |
#248 |
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Legal in Texas. You need to learn to remember what you read |
oneshooter |
Aug-24-11 07:19 AM |
#250 |
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Why don't you just tell us all the whole story from the beginning |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 09:41 AM |
#259 |
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Texas Penal Code Title 2 Chapter 9 Subchapter D Protection of Property |
MicaelS |
Aug-24-11 11:41 AM |
#273 |
| -
Thanks. Texas is pretty fucked up. They should probably become a separate country. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 03:26 PM |
#289 |
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"Though I do like Austin. The rest of it you can keep." |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 04:56 PM |
#301 |
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"then Texas has some strange fucking laws" |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 12:29 PM |
#278 |
| -
Right. What's self defense in Texas is murder just about anyplace else. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 03:28 PM |
#290 |
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Feel free to stay out, you won't be missed. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-24-11 07:27 PM |
#310 |
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No, as long as Austin is still in Texas, I'll be visiting. Love that town. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 07:46 PM |
#311 |
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Me too, Lived here 41 yrs. Plenty of firearms owned by libs. nt |
SteveM |
Aug-25-11 05:47 PM |
#360 |
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I never met a toter in Austin. Gun owner does not equal toter. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-26-11 11:53 AM |
#362 |
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Texas is a concealed carry only state. You probably saw them, just not the CC firearms. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-26-11 01:35 PM |
#364 |
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Yeah right. All my friends are secret toters and lie to me. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-26-11 07:38 PM |
#371 |
| -
Hanging in different circles, probably... |
SteveM |
Aug-26-11 01:41 PM |
#365 |
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Just because you feel intimidated and frightened and threatened and unsafe... |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 08:07 AM |
#42 |
| -
to many, a person displaying a firearm in public |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:13 AM |
#53 |
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Kinda like |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 06:21 PM |
#142 |
| -
yeah, you got it |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:46 PM |
#174 |
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I don't think there is much for you to be concerned about. In fact... |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 05:44 PM |
#117 |
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I promise you I'm going to carry whether YOU see it or not |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 06:15 PM |
#137 |
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Tough shit for you. |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-25-11 04:21 PM |
#353 |
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I prefer people who open carry to those who concealed carry. |
provis99 |
Aug-21-11 09:31 PM |
#6 |
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You may be confusing |
rrneck |
Aug-21-11 10:13 PM |
#13 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-22-11 01:11 PM |
#65 |
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I agree. |
jaxx |
Aug-21-11 10:33 PM |
#17 |
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Well, look up thread. Some folks DON'T want to see a gun... |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:06 PM |
#131 |
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I totally agree. If you're stupid enough to carry a gun, at least be honest about it. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 02:49 AM |
#29 |
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There is absolutely nothing dishonest about my carrying a concealed firearm ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 10:22 AM |
#49 |
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I do have one shirt... |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 01:03 PM |
#63 |
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"I have absolutely no intention of using my weapon to injure or kill an innocent person" |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 01:31 PM |
#73 |
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Do you believe that a person who attacks another with the intent to severely injure ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 01:48 PM |
#74 |
| -
Why would I believe that? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 03:08 PM |
#86 |
| -
Let's assume that you have a rational mind ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 04:01 PM |
#99 |
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If I felt I were a target for rape, robbery or kidnapping I would examine my lifestyle |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 09:08 PM |
#166 |
| -
You may have absolutely no reason to consider yourself a target ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 10:22 PM |
#171 |
| -
You have my full sympathy for what you went through in your old neighborhood. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 08:29 PM |
#220 |
| -
So, you had to bring in armed people because... |
PavePusher |
Aug-24-11 12:13 AM |
#242 |
| -
Why would the people be armed? Are you serious? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-24-11 02:54 AM |
#245 |
| -
you missed the cute |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 08:29 AM |
#251 |
| -
The People, those great, unwashed, huddled masses.... |
PavePusher |
Aug-24-11 12:18 PM |
#275 |
| -
you know, you not infrequently exhibit good sense and decency |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:13 PM |
#107 |
| -
That was a reply to a poster's question, "Who made you judge and jury?" ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 09:18 PM |
#169 |
| -
Self-defense is not a component/function of justice. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 03:50 PM |
#97 |
| -
oddly enough |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:17 PM |
#110 |
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Not so. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 05:39 PM |
#115 |
| -
Mighty leap, there. He merely stated his intention based on self-defense concerns.nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:10 PM |
#135 |
| -
Judge and Juries are concepts of the state. |
X_Digger |
Aug-22-11 11:01 PM |
#172 |
| -
indeed they are |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:53 PM |
#175 |
| -
It's a framework that doesn't apply.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 08:12 AM |
#187 |
| -
it is a framework that applies |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 11:10 AM |
#207 |
| -
I am under no obligation to provide due process. |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 12:13 PM |
#213 |
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And the state is a concept of the people |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-23-11 09:03 PM |
#225 |
| -
Read the subthread, and get back to me when you catch up. |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 10:34 PM |
#231 |
| -
Yeah, they should be concerned about my hidden Case folder! nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:07 PM |
#133 |
| -
And if you're foolish enough to go without a gun, |
gravity556 |
Aug-22-11 09:17 PM |
#168 |
| -
uh uh, what's this I see? |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:54 PM |
#176 |
| -
Pretty sure I was posting in response to someone else. |
gravity556 |
Aug-23-11 08:52 PM |
#224 |
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"this would have been a good time to just observe, being a foreigner" |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 08:36 AM |
#252 |
| -
Sorry, I threw the foreigner line in there, but there was a reason for it |
gravity556 |
Aug-24-11 08:36 PM |
#323 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-24-11 10:58 PM |
#336 |
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Wyoming, not Idaho. |
PavePusher |
Aug-25-11 10:52 AM |
#343 |
| -
I wonder what I said |
iverglas |
Aug-26-11 02:32 PM |
#367 |
| -
I differ ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 10:13 AM |
#48 |
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While I disagree with your desire for a ban on concealed-carry, you |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:00 PM |
#126 |
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Open carry is insane. |
RandySF |
Aug-21-11 09:32 PM |
#7 |
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I agree. Open carry could cause unpredicatble behavior. Good concealed carry |
geckosfeet |
Aug-21-11 09:37 PM |
#9 |
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I think most open carry laws... |
NewMoonTherian |
Aug-22-11 12:59 AM |
#22 |
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Why would you oc an unloaded gun? |
YllwFvr |
Aug-22-11 02:26 AM |
#25 |
| -
RandySF lives in California |
slackmaster |
Aug-22-11 12:05 PM |
#58 |
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In most of the country you are allowed to carry the weapon LOADED |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 05:26 AM |
#33 |
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Please cite to where Open Carry has "incite(d) violent reactions"... |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 08:10 AM |
#44 |
| -
If I may suggest, those who openly carry (as in Cali) unloaded guns... |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:17 PM |
#139 |
| -
People get the hee bee gee bees when they see a gun. Or when they |
geckosfeet |
Aug-21-11 09:34 PM |
#8 |
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I've got no objection |
Coyote_Bandit |
Aug-21-11 09:37 PM |
#10 |
| -
Are we talking about Open Carry in CA? |
RandySF |
Aug-21-11 09:40 PM |
#11 |
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That is part of the problem |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:59 PM |
#164 |
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i have no idea why anyone would object to open |
madrchsod |
Aug-21-11 09:57 PM |
#12 |
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It's "tacky." More importantly, society needs to progress beyond such implements in public. |
Hoyt |
Aug-21-11 10:19 PM |
#15 |
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Would you |
rrneck |
Aug-21-11 10:21 PM |
#16 |
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I disagree. |
NewMoonTherian |
Aug-22-11 01:02 AM |
#23 |
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If California law was less tacky, California residents would have other options |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:43 AM |
#46 |
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Nope -- they can also choose NOT to carry, like over 90% of population. |
Hoyt |
Aug-22-11 12:16 PM |
#59 |
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That ignores the real issues, including the problems with "may issue" laws in California |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 01:13 PM |
#66 |
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Just to be clear... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-22-11 05:41 PM |
#116 |
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"Tacky" means people are uncomfortable. Right or wrong -- they are, just like if I carried a machete |
Hoyt |
Aug-22-11 06:05 PM |
#129 |
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If it makes people feel uncomfortable, it should not be done even if it is legal? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:42 PM |
#156 |
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There you go again, guns in public not the same. But nice try to protect your beloved guns. |
Hoyt |
Aug-22-11 08:49 PM |
#158 |
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How so? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:56 PM |
#163 |
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"Guns" are not the same as those who gave their lives as Freedom Riders. Your poor "gun plight" |
Hoyt |
Aug-23-11 05:11 AM |
#185 |
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There are no classes of rights any more than there are classes of people |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 08:13 AM |
#188 |
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You can't seem to get off this "my gun plight" is equal to civil rights. Guns are nowhere close. |
Hoyt |
Aug-23-11 08:49 AM |
#193 |
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Open carry in SoCal? How many times have you actually seen it |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 11:47 PM |
#235 |
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Sorry, but there is no choice. No one's BOR is dependent on %s. |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:22 PM |
#143 |
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Lets apply your reasoning to other civil rights shall we? |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Aug-22-11 05:53 PM |
#122 |
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No let's don't. Those civil/human rights are not the same as carrying a gun. You demean |
Hoyt |
Aug-22-11 06:10 PM |
#136 |
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How about the Bonny Blue flag, or is that tacky also. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-22-11 06:26 PM |
#146 |
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If you use it as a symbol of racism/bigotry -- it's despicable too. |
Hoyt |
Aug-22-11 06:46 PM |
#150 |
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Why do you not feel the same way about gun control laws which are historically rooted in racism and |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 12:10 AM |
#241 |
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Solution is simple -- ban guns in public for EVERYONE. Further: |
Hoyt |
Aug-24-11 09:10 AM |
#256 |
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"ban guns in public for EVERYONE" Including LEO's? n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-24-11 09:43 AM |
#260 |
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Let's be obtuse. Geeez. Do you pack a gun or two to protect you from LEO? |
Hoyt |
Aug-24-11 09:52 AM |
#261 |
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Just reading your words, as written by you. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-24-11 10:20 AM |
#268 |
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Well, Oneshooter, I'd suggest stop reading one word at a time, and try to read in chunks so that |
Hoyt |
Aug-24-11 11:00 AM |
#270 |
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I would suggest that YOU learn to write what you mean. EVERYBODY means EVERYBODY |
oneshooter |
Aug-24-11 05:47 PM |
#304 |
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Ahhh more of "its not a lie if I am making a point" |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:21 PM |
#319 |
| -
Where are you from? |
gejohnston |
Aug-24-11 12:49 PM |
#283 |
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If other posts are correct, I would avoid Pasadena |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 11:22 PM |
#338 |
| -
You know, Hoyt |
gravity556 |
Aug-25-11 10:45 AM |
#342 |
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You continue to make that claim and offer nothing to back it up but your screeds |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 12:09 AM |
#240 |
| -
Are you saying you don't believe guns were used to oppress minorities. That's foolish. |
Hoyt |
Aug-24-11 09:12 AM |
#257 |
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I am pointing out that gun control laws historically have been targeted at minorities to prevent |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:18 PM |
#317 |
| -
sad and ... |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:30 AM |
#180 |
| -
That is a good description of your posts |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 09:06 PM |
#331 |
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Well, at least "progressed beyond" threats & intimidation to the real issue: |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:21 PM |
#141 |
| -
Because it's not Montana in 1870 anymore. |
kestrel91316 |
Aug-21-11 11:11 PM |
#18 |
| -
and your point is what |
gejohnston |
Aug-21-11 11:13 PM |
#19 |
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Hell, no. Have you seen the land prices there lately? nt |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:23 PM |
#144 |
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Think "COWBOY" and you'll be in the ball park. ~nt |
99th_Monkey |
Aug-22-11 12:53 AM |
#21 |
| -
How 'bout vaquero or cowcatcher? Do they qualify? |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:24 PM |
#145 |
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Don't forget drovers, they should. |
gejohnston |
Aug-22-11 09:11 PM |
#167 |
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Most people probably assume you are a cop. I would. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 02:44 AM |
#27 |
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Open Carry is practically a request to get stopped and harrassed by the cops |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:44 AM |
#47 |
| -
Depends on where you live. |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 12:56 PM |
#60 |
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I should have been clear and said that was in CA |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 01:19 PM |
#69 |
| -
Clearly the solution is to stop open carry. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-22-11 01:05 PM |
#64 |
| -
That is clearly the view points of the anti civil rights crowd |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 01:21 PM |
#70 |
| -
I guess it all depends where you live. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-22-11 01:22 PM |
#71 |
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Several CA departments have taken very agressive anti open carry stances |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 02:01 PM |
#77 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-22-11 06:55 AM |
#34 |
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It's not OC it's the right for civilians to own guns period. |
ileus |
Aug-22-11 07:42 AM |
#38 |
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and any minute now |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:17 AM |
#54 |
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A high percentage of people agree with your statement that ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 11:25 AM |
#55 |
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I understand and appreciate your sentiments, but |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 11:30 AM |
#56 |
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Projection, much? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 12:58 PM |
#61 |
| -
That could be said about anything that makes the public uncomfortable or feel intimidated |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 01:18 PM |
#68 |
| -
cripes this is a sad and ugly game |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 06:00 PM |
#127 |
| -
You insistence that somehow some rights are inherently different that others is indeed quite ugly |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:07 PM |
#154 |
| -
bwahahaha |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:01 AM |
#177 |
| -
Of course, my OWB holster is |
gravity556 |
Aug-22-11 03:06 PM |
#85 |
| -
It is surprising how little people notice about other people ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 04:18 PM |
#101 |
| -
hahahahaha |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 06:02 PM |
#128 |
| -
Actually, they're called manners. |
gravity556 |
Aug-22-11 09:05 PM |
#165 |
| -
no, they're called patriarchy |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:14 AM |
#178 |
| -
I offer those courtesies to women and men in equal proportion. |
PavePusher |
Aug-25-11 10:56 AM |
#344 |
| -
Where some people live, gunshots mean gang violence. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-22-11 01:01 PM |
#62 |
| -
You should add ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 01:55 PM |
#76 |
| -
"and you grew up in an area where legal firearm ownership was unusual." |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-22-11 02:24 PM |
#80 |
| -
My daughter grew up in Tampa Florida ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 03:34 PM |
#93 |
| -
That story could have had a much sadder ending. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-22-11 03:44 PM |
#95 |
| -
All I can say is that owning a gun safe is a good idea ... |
spin |
Aug-22-11 04:06 PM |
#100 |
| -
Don't think requiring safes is a good idea... |
SteveM |
Aug-22-11 06:39 PM |
#148 |
| -
For example Chicago might require a $5000 safe to secure an inexpensive handgun. |
spin |
Aug-22-11 09:29 PM |
#170 |
| -
"He invested in a gun safe after the incident." |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 06:05 PM |
#130 |
| -
It's abhorrent , rude , appalling shock theater |
Katya Mullethov |
Aug-22-11 01:54 PM |
#75 |
| -
amazingly |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 03:57 PM |
#98 |
| -
Actually, it is like that. Your claim that it's different rests entirely on your own |
petronius |
Aug-22-11 04:24 PM |
#102 |
| -
actually, the onus to prove the claim |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:06 PM |
#104 |
| -
You're the one making the claim, remember? |
petronius |
Aug-22-11 05:17 PM |
#109 |
| -
follow the dotted lines with your finger |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:52 PM |
#120 |
| -
Either you're demonstrating a complete failure to understand what you're reading, |
petronius |
Aug-22-11 05:58 PM |
#125 |
| -
Sigh... It's the Jay-eee-ell-ell-OH.... n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-22-11 07:10 PM |
#153 |
| -
They can not concede that point or their entire house of prejudice collapases |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:49 PM |
#157 |
| -
why are you people blithering about "terrorist"? |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:34 AM |
#181 |
| -
yes |
Katya Mullethov |
Aug-23-11 07:58 AM |
#186 |
| -
Your prior comments used the "t" word if nothing else |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 08:16 AM |
#191 |
| -
ah yes |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:10 AM |
#196 |
| -
How progressive of you to support the position of the southerners during the civil rights movement |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 11:14 PM |
#233 |
| -
let me try to help unmuddle you |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 08:41 AM |
#253 |
| -
You inference was not at all clear and changes nothing at the bottom line |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:06 PM |
#312 |
| -
if you valued civil discourse |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 08:28 PM |
#321 |
| -
More word dancing with nothing of substance |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:46 PM |
#325 |
| -
What about when the person open carrying is a progressive? NT |
RSillsbee |
Aug-22-11 06:31 PM |
#147 |
| -
what about when the flying thing is a pig? |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 06:54 PM |
#152 |
| -
Are you saying that no true progressive would open carry? |
RSillsbee |
Aug-23-11 05:59 PM |
#219 |
| -
hee hee, this is such fun |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 09:00 AM |
#255 |
| -
Assertion assumes facts not in evidence |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:10 PM |
#313 |
| -
It's not people that are afraid of hearing about open carriers make it a big deal. |
ileus |
Aug-22-11 05:02 PM |
#103 |
| -
"How many OCer's has anyone really seen in person?" |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:10 PM |
#105 |
| -
So I'm right.... |
ileus |
Aug-22-11 05:14 PM |
#108 |
| -
you already knew you were "right"? |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:54 PM |
#123 |
| -
So you have ZERO experience with those who open carry |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:51 PM |
#159 |
| -
damn right - no personal experience |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:35 AM |
#182 |
| -
Nice to see you have enough integrity to confirm no experience about which you screed |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 08:15 AM |
#190 |
| -
is "screed" a verb? |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:12 AM |
#197 |
| -
It is urban, probably never heard of it in you village eh? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 11:39 PM |
#234 |
| -
"COBOL indeed does not count, it computes" |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 10:10 AM |
#266 |
| -
You've seen none, yet you feel confident in saying.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-22-11 11:28 PM |
#173 |
| -
I am one of the "many" |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:46 AM |
#183 |
| -
Do you frequently draw conclusions about people based on what you see on the tv / news? |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 08:18 AM |
#192 |
| -
oh, sigh |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:09 AM |
#195 |
| -
Oh I see how it works just fine.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 09:27 AM |
#202 |
| -
oh, now, you know |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:37 AM |
#204 |
| -
"based on wide experience of the world" -- Really? |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 10:02 AM |
#205 |
| -
wait -- based on argument from misrepresentation |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 11:06 AM |
#206 |
| -
Yet you've never seen someone (non-cop) carrying a gun, much less spoken with them? |
X_Digger |
Aug-23-11 12:21 PM |
#214 |
| -
Sounds like some people need to pick better what parts of America they visit/live. |
ileus |
Aug-23-11 12:28 PM |
#215 |
| -
I've never met Sarah Palin, either |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 10:07 AM |
#265 |
| -
If you made similar characterizations about Alaskan women, based on Palin.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 12:17 PM |
#274 |
| -
snork |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 12:35 PM |
#279 |
| -
A bald assertion, stated differently (or repeatedly) is still just an assertion. |
X_Digger |
Aug-24-11 01:03 PM |
#285 |
| -
"It's definitional." |
PavePusher |
Aug-25-11 10:58 AM |
#345 |
| -
So, how many sightings of cops openly carrying firearms required a change of pants |
gravity556 |
Aug-23-11 01:17 PM |
#216 |
| -
how about if I tell someone "OC"ing at the mall that I think they're an asshole? |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 05:19 PM |
#303 |
| -
Hmmm. Dunno. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Aug-22-11 05:12 PM |
#106 |
| -
exactly so |
iverglas |
Aug-22-11 05:55 PM |
#124 |
| -
You do seem awefully worked up about it and other US based gun issues |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-22-11 08:53 PM |
#160 |
| -
the rise of the right wing in the house next door |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 12:47 AM |
#184 |
| -
Private firearms is not a right wing issue, it is a progressive value |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-23-11 08:14 AM |
#189 |
| -
"private firearms" aren't a value, they are objects |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:13 AM |
#198 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-23-11 11:51 PM |
#236 |
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if you want to claim that post 281 contains "insults" |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 12:44 PM |
#282 |
| -
Did I make such a claim? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:12 PM |
#314 |
| -
So you're worried about an armed invasion from American OC civilians? |
ileus |
Aug-23-11 08:57 AM |
#194 |
| -
hardly |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:26 AM |
#201 |
| -
What to your fantasies have to do with open carry in the US? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 12:05 AM |
#238 |
| -
41 years here and I've seen maybe 10 OCer's |
ileus |
Aug-24-11 09:25 AM |
#258 |
| -
okay, you beat our "ProgressiveProfessor" for the prize |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 12:39 PM |
#281 |
| -
uh, what does this static have to do with the subject matter? |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 12:37 PM |
#280 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-24-11 08:14 PM |
#315 |
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It was a reasonable response given your prior posts |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 09:07 PM |
#332 |
| -
We have a couple of those around here....I suppose they're concerned |
ileus |
Aug-23-11 09:14 AM |
#200 |
| -
ah, the holy words |
iverglas |
Aug-23-11 09:30 AM |
#203 |
| -
Yep, those uncivilized swiss assholes. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-23-11 11:49 AM |
#211 |
| -
folding stock, pistol grip and all....and it's black. |
ileus |
Aug-23-11 12:06 PM |
#212 |
| -
Into a brick wall...? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-23-11 01:57 PM |
#218 |
| -
just in case you miss it |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 02:30 PM |
#288 |
| -
but..it was still tacky, mean, black, scary, and OC'd how hideous. |
ileus |
Aug-24-11 03:45 PM |
#291 |
| -
no, it was carried by a member of an organized militia |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 03:47 PM |
#292 |
| -
It's still a scary gun...in public....I almost wept just seeing it in a picture. |
ileus |
Aug-24-11 03:50 PM |
#293 |
| -
Don't be frightened. |
Glassunion |
Aug-24-11 03:52 PM |
#294 |
| -
I don't know when you folks will get the picture |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 04:10 PM |
#295 |
| -
but guns kill people... |
ileus |
Aug-24-11 04:48 PM |
#299 |
| -
you keep saying it |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 04:55 PM |
#300 |
| -
maybe you can tell us the story in the picture |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 10:00 AM |
#263 |
| -
I made a mistake. |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-24-11 12:54 PM |
#284 |
| -
well, it's a good question |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 02:29 PM |
#287 |
| -
As compared to a civilized nations that protects the clubbing of baby seals eh? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 12:07 AM |
#239 |
| -
I assume you're making a statement |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 10:02 AM |
#264 |
| -
Just reminding you of some of the "civilized" behaviors going on in your neighborhood |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:16 PM |
#316 |
| -
no, you were engaging in ethnocentric xenophobic insult |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 08:23 PM |
#320 |
| -
Snork |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 09:01 PM |
#330 |
| -
like I said |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 10:45 PM |
#334 |
| -
Snork**2 |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 10:54 PM |
#335 |
| -
Guns scare some people. |
WAFS |
Aug-24-11 05:51 AM |
#249 |
| -
truth scares some people |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 10:14 AM |
#267 |
| -
To find the truth adverse look in the mirror |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:20 PM |
#318 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-24-11 08:29 PM |
#322 |
| -
As I have stated before, I rarely if ever imbibe |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-24-11 08:49 PM |
#326 |
| -
Guns scare some people. |
WAFS |
Aug-24-11 08:50 PM |
#327 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-24-11 08:57 PM |
#329 |
| -
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-24-11 11:03 PM |
#337 |
| -
so I'm sick to death of this |
iverglas |
Aug-25-11 07:22 AM |
#339 |
| -
Yet you continue to particpate... |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-25-11 10:39 AM |
#341 |
| -
if you don't know what I'm sick to death of |
iverglas |
Aug-25-11 04:24 PM |
#354 |
| -
Your emotional state is not our concern |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Aug-25-11 05:49 PM |
#361 |
| -
ah, memory lane |
iverglas |
Sep-07-11 03:08 PM |
#375 |
| -
Interesting post. |
WAFS |
Aug-24-11 08:45 PM |
#324 |
| -
"I happen to disagree with you, but that's what makes America great." |
iverglas |
Aug-24-11 08:52 PM |
#328 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-24-11 09:19 PM |
#333 |
| -
If only the excitables amongst us were able to trust their fellow man. |
ileus |
Aug-26-11 01:50 PM |
#366 |
| -
... then nobody would be needing to haul guns around in public!!! |
iverglas |
Aug-27-11 12:38 PM |
#374 |
| -
I hate open carry. No need for it is CC is available. Just showing off for some people. |
Logical |
Aug-26-11 05:33 PM |
#369 |
| -
because |
MyrnaLoy |
Sep-07-11 04:49 PM |
#376 |
| -
People also open carry... |
We_Have_A_Problem |
Sep-07-11 05:14 PM |
#377 |
| -
You mean "those" nasty people actually have the effrontery to use their so-called.... |
PavePusher |
Sep-08-11 01:02 AM |
#378 |
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