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gravity556 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-11 09:17 PM
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168. And if you're foolish enough to go without a gun,
at least be honest about it. Don't rely on the herd immunity provided by the CCW laws. Have a few t-shirts made up with a picture of a gun with a circle-slash through it and 3 inch letters stating I am UNARMED on one side and I OPPOSE VIOLENCE IN SELF DEFENSE on the other. And on one you could do "Please don't rob me-I'm unarmed but I understand your plight!"

Because otherwise, you're taking advantage of those folks who put in the work to carry concealed, got the background check, invested in the firearm and training to use it. And by your not advertising that you're one of those people, you directly benefit from CC laws. The bad guys are a little more hesitant to rob people if they live in a state with a high concentration of CCW carriers.

So man up and be honest about your unarmed status. Otherwise, maybe insinuating that carriers are stupid should find more limited use in your repertoire.
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  -Why is open carry such a big deal? RSillsbee  Aug-21-11 09:19 PM   #0 
  - Because in most big cities we have a war going on and open carry would make it worse.  harun   Aug-21-11 09:24 PM   #1 
  - What war?  RSillsbee   Aug-21-11 09:25 PM   #2 
  - what war ...  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:02 AM   #50 
     - If the Right Wing is "engaged...in war," maybe YOU should start packing. nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:20 PM   #111 
        - no thank you, I am already living where I want to live  iverglas   Aug-22-11 06:53 PM   #151 
  - And how does legal exercise of a Civil Right "make it worse"? n/t  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 08:03 AM   #40 
     - kinda the same way the legal exercise of some other "civil rights" does  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:04 AM   #51 
  - I feel that the gun issues are..  stuckinarut   Aug-21-11 09:27 PM   #3 
  - Assuming you are one who is a trained toter, why do you carry if not to possibly kill?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:40 AM   #26 
     - Even the times I have killed  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 05:21 AM   #30 
     - I carry mostly at night,  stuckinarut   Aug-22-11 07:25 AM   #36 
     - But you said "sometimes non-trained people kill others with guns.."  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:16 PM   #67 
        - My bad...  stuckinarut   Aug-22-11 03:03 PM   #84 
        - You shoot center of mass  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 06:09 PM   #134 
           - I'm not stupid. I know why you shoot center of mass. To kill.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 11:21 AM   #271 
              - To stop, dear.  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 11:23 AM   #272 
              - Followed by that lovely head shot, or is that just to part his hair.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 04:18 PM   #296 
                 - If two shots to the chest didn't stop the threat, yes, then one to the head.  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 04:26 PM   #297 
                    - I prefer yelling. Never fails. Lot less messy.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 04:46 PM   #298 
                       - Good thing that what you prefer has nothing to do with what anyone else can do. n/t  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 05:16 PM   #302 
                          - I'm sure that makes you feel good thinking anyone who disagrees with you has no relevance  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 05:47 PM   #305 
                             - Have fun with that..  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 06:09 PM   #306 
                                - Actually, I think it's a great idea. Good for guard dogs.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 06:29 PM   #307 
                                   - Good for you :) Be sure to let us know how that works out. n/t  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 06:42 PM   #308 
              - Actually, it's to hit.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-24-11 02:17 PM   #286 
     - You never carry to kill you carry to save.  ileus   Aug-22-11 07:44 AM   #39 
     - What a crock of shit. "You never carry to kill you carry to save."  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:30 PM   #72 
        - it goes like this in the extended version  iverglas   Aug-22-11 02:03 PM   #78 
        - The mozambique drill is not new.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 03:25 PM   #91 
           - The "Mozambique drill " was designed to defeat opponents wearing body armor.  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 07:26 PM   #309 
              - this do in honour of dead mercenaries  iverglas   Aug-26-11 02:48 PM   #368 
        - Your 'belittling' aside, most of us view firearms as being for the purpose of preserving human life.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 02:46 PM   #82 
        - Wrong! Most of us don't. (Us being the people)  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 03:03 PM   #83 
           - [Citation Required]  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 03:13 PM   #88 
           - OK I read it. Didn't see anything about "preserving human life"  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 08:54 PM   #161 
              - The DoJ offers no such opinion.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-23-11 12:29 AM   #179 
                 - Obfuscation. You cited it to back up your argument tha guns are toted  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 11:24 AM   #208 
                    - As are you. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-23-11 11:38 AM   #209 
                    - Of course I am, but not to protect my property. Only my life or another's life.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 08:46 PM   #221 
                    - If you have hands and feet, you are similarly prepared to take human life.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-23-11 11:42 AM   #210 
                    - OK, so am I correct in thinking you would not kill anyone to protect property?  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 08:48 PM   #222 
                       - Correct.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-24-11 01:58 AM   #243 
                          - "Not so much so, for a robbery, as an implicit threat to the victim's safety is part of the deal".  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 02:59 AM   #246 
                             - I would immediately take appropriate counter-measures.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-24-11 09:59 AM   #262 
                                - OK. So you would have to feel an impending threat to your life.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 10:56 AM   #269 
                                   - I am entirely motivated by risk to my safety.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-24-11 12:29 PM   #277 
                                   - Really?  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 11:38 AM   #348 
                                      - Why do I get that impression?  Starboard Tack   Aug-25-11 03:44 PM   #350 
                                         - Yes, TX has no problem with using force...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 04:16 PM   #351 
                                         - I'll take the beach over Texas any day. We know where your values are.  Starboard Tack   Aug-25-11 05:24 PM   #356 
                                         - We've got beaches here too...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 05:32 PM   #358 
                                         - "If a criminal bets his life is worth less than my stuff, I'm more than happy to prove him right"  Starboard Tack   Aug-26-11 07:36 PM   #370 
                                         - I would not be so sure of that  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-26-11 11:29 PM   #372 
                                         - I am not sure of anything regarding LE. It attracts a rather odd mix.  Starboard Tack   Aug-27-11 10:56 AM   #373 
                    - Sometimes, killing is a neccesary action. n/t  PavePusher   Aug-23-11 01:55 PM   #217 
                    - Correct, but only when defending the life of oneself or another. Not one's property.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 08:50 PM   #223 
                       - I have large parts of my life invested in my property.  PavePusher   Aug-24-11 12:03 AM   #237 
                          - You have non-lethal alternatives.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-24-11 02:02 AM   #244 
                          - I have no say, you are correct. But you've made it quite clear where you stand.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 03:11 AM   #247 
                             - You didn't read what I wrote. Here, I'll restate it for you...  PavePusher   Aug-24-11 12:24 PM   #276 
                    - I'm a potential killer  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 11:27 AM   #347 
           - Do you actually....  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-22-11 03:15 PM   #89 
           - No feelings involved. Just common sense.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 08:56 PM   #162 
              - Common sense...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-23-11 09:13 AM   #199 
                 - No it didn't.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-25-11 10:21 AM   #340 
           - And how many have voted for you to speak for them? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-22-11 03:44 PM   #96 
        - A handgun is not designed to take life  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-22-11 03:11 PM   #87 
        - What absolute drivel. Handguns are designed specifically to kill. Period.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 09:12 PM   #226 
           - "You seem to attach way too much importance to your own life." -- lol  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 10:56 PM   #232 
           - If they're designed to kill  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 11:25 AM   #346 
              - That's what tasers do and mace and pepper spray  Starboard Tack   Aug-25-11 03:01 PM   #349 
                 - So what?  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 04:19 PM   #352 
                    - You definitely have a problem  Starboard Tack   Aug-25-11 05:11 PM   #355 
                       - Yes i did...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 05:24 PM   #357 
                          - And I take my coffee with cream and one sugar.  Starboard Tack   Aug-26-11 12:26 PM   #363 
        - " toters' training handbook " ? Where can I get one of these? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-22-11 03:42 PM   #94 
        - You can download it from Dick Tracy's wrist T.V. nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:31 PM   #114 
        - You mean my NRA decoder ring/bottle opener won't work!!! Damn!!!! n/t  oneshooter   Aug-22-11 06:19 PM   #140 
           - The two-tube Cub Scout radio diagram shows where an app would fit! nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:43 PM   #149 
        - Amazon.com  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 09:21 PM   #227 
        - Well, keep the heat low in your kitchen when you cook it...  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:29 PM   #112 
        - And the pendulum swings  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 09:24 PM   #228 
           - The thug establishes cred within his criminal culture by killing. nt  SteveM   Aug-25-11 05:42 PM   #359 
        - My SD handguns were designed to save the lives of my loved ones if needed.  ileus   Aug-24-11 08:45 AM   #254 
     - 'Most'?  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 03:20 PM   #90 
  - I used to date the Spox of a county PD  Ruby the Liberal   Aug-21-11 09:27 PM   #4 
  - Spox? NT  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 05:22 AM   #31 
  - Spokesperson.  Ruby the Liberal   Aug-22-11 02:41 PM   #81 
     - Ah So Ka Thank you NT  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 06:06 PM   #132 
  - Of course, there is no actual data to back that up.... n/t  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 08:05 AM   #41 
  - spokesperson  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:10 AM   #52 
  - To many the sight of a loaded firearm is intimidating and frightening.  Speck Tater   Aug-21-11 09:30 PM   #5 
  - Wjy should anyone be compelled  rrneck   Aug-21-11 10:16 PM   #14 
  - Because it might cause people who dislike firearms to go to the polls ...  spin   Aug-22-11 11:46 AM   #57 
  - Exactly, IMHO the intent is virtually always to intimidate and threaten.  kestrel91316   Aug-21-11 11:17 PM   #20 
  - +1000  RC   Aug-22-11 01:34 AM   #24 
  - Are you able to prove intent? NT  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 05:24 AM   #32 
  - So every time you see a cop you become a puddle of yourself?  Union Scribe   Aug-22-11 07:03 AM   #35 
  - "...a puddle of yourself?" LOL! nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:48 PM   #119 
  - Projection, much? n/t  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 08:08 AM   #43 
  - I do not think that is a fair statement  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:40 AM   #45 
  - Why would you want to live in a place where that was the ONLY option? nt  Speck Tater   Aug-22-11 02:12 PM   #79 
     - You going to help finance people moving?  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 05:31 PM   #113 
     - Goodness, the method of carry would trump where you would live?  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:53 PM   #121 
     - I wouldn't that's why I live in Colorado NT  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 06:17 PM   #138 
     - It is not for me, but for most in CA, open carry is the only option  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:37 PM   #155 
  - As you said...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-22-11 03:33 PM   #92 
  - Your guilty-until-proven-otherwise outlook is no surprise. nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:47 PM   #118 
  - +1. Nice post. Right on the nail  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:47 AM   #28 
  - To many the sight of a any firearm is intimidating and frightening.  oneshooter   Aug-22-11 07:31 AM   #37 
  - Something you are obviously thinking when you scare those muscled tool oglers away  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 09:32 PM   #229 
     - You mean the ones that were rolling my toolbox down the street?  oneshooter   Aug-23-11 10:23 PM   #230 
        - Your story keeps changing. Now they were rolling your tools down the street  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 03:39 AM   #248 
           - Legal in Texas. You need to learn to remember what you read  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 07:19 AM   #250 
              - Why don't you just tell us all the whole story from the beginning  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 09:41 AM   #259 
                 - Texas Penal Code Title 2 Chapter 9 Subchapter D Protection of Property  MicaelS   Aug-24-11 11:41 AM   #273 
                 - Thanks. Texas is pretty fucked up. They should probably become a separate country.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 03:26 PM   #289 
                    - "Though I do like Austin. The rest of it you can keep."  iverglas   Aug-24-11 04:56 PM   #301 
                 - "then Texas has some strange fucking laws"  iverglas   Aug-24-11 12:29 PM   #278 
                    - Right. What's self defense in Texas is murder just about anyplace else.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 03:28 PM   #290 
                       - Feel free to stay out, you won't be missed. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 07:27 PM   #310 
                          - No, as long as Austin is still in Texas, I'll be visiting. Love that town.  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 07:46 PM   #311 
                             - Me too, Lived here 41 yrs. Plenty of firearms owned by libs. nt  SteveM   Aug-25-11 05:47 PM   #360 
                                - I never met a toter in Austin. Gun owner does not equal toter.  Starboard Tack   Aug-26-11 11:53 AM   #362 
                                   - Texas is a concealed carry only state. You probably saw them, just not the CC firearms. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-26-11 01:35 PM   #364 
                                   - Yeah right. All my friends are secret toters and lie to me.  Starboard Tack   Aug-26-11 07:38 PM   #371 
                                   - Hanging in different circles, probably...  SteveM   Aug-26-11 01:41 PM   #365 
  - Just because you feel intimidated and frightened and threatened and unsafe...  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 08:07 AM   #42 
  - to many, a person displaying a firearm in public  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:13 AM   #53 
  - Kinda like  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 06:21 PM   #142 
     - yeah, you got it  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:46 PM   #174 
  - I don't think there is much for you to be concerned about. In fact...  SteveM   Aug-22-11 05:44 PM   #117 
  - I promise you I'm going to carry whether YOU see it or not  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 06:15 PM   #137 
  - Tough shit for you.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-25-11 04:21 PM   #353 
  - I prefer people who open carry to those who concealed carry.  provis99   Aug-21-11 09:31 PM   #6 
  - You may be confusing  rrneck   Aug-21-11 10:13 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-11 01:11 PM   #65 
  - I agree.  jaxx   Aug-21-11 10:33 PM   #17 
  - Well, look up thread. Some folks DON'T want to see a gun...  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:06 PM   #131 
  - I totally agree. If you're stupid enough to carry a gun, at least be honest about it.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:49 AM   #29 
  - There is absolutely nothing dishonest about my carrying a concealed firearm ...  spin   Aug-22-11 10:22 AM   #49 
  - I do have one shirt...  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 01:03 PM   #63 
  - "I have absolutely no intention of using my weapon to injure or kill an innocent person"  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:31 PM   #73 
  - Do you believe that a person who attacks another with the intent to severely injure ...  spin   Aug-22-11 01:48 PM   #74 
  - Why would I believe that?  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 03:08 PM   #86 
  - Let's assume that you have a rational mind ...  spin   Aug-22-11 04:01 PM   #99 
     - If I felt I were a target for rape, robbery or kidnapping I would examine my lifestyle  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 09:08 PM   #166 
        - You may have absolutely no reason to consider yourself a target ...  spin   Aug-22-11 10:22 PM   #171 
           - You have my full sympathy for what you went through in your old neighborhood.  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 08:29 PM   #220 
              - So, you had to bring in armed people because...  PavePusher   Aug-24-11 12:13 AM   #242 
                 - Why would the people be armed? Are you serious?  Starboard Tack   Aug-24-11 02:54 AM   #245 
                    - you missed the cute  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:29 AM   #251 
                       - The People, those great, unwashed, huddled masses....  PavePusher   Aug-24-11 12:18 PM   #275 
  - you know, you not infrequently exhibit good sense and decency  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:13 PM   #107 
     - That was a reply to a poster's question, "Who made you judge and jury?" ...  spin   Aug-22-11 09:18 PM   #169 
  - Self-defense is not a component/function of justice.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 03:50 PM   #97 
  - oddly enough  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:17 PM   #110 
     - Not so.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 05:39 PM   #115 
  - Mighty leap, there. He merely stated his intention based on self-defense concerns.nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:10 PM   #135 
  - Judge and Juries are concepts of the state.  X_Digger   Aug-22-11 11:01 PM   #172 
     - indeed they are  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:53 PM   #175 
     - It's a framework that doesn't apply..  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 08:12 AM   #187 
        - it is a framework that applies  iverglas   Aug-23-11 11:10 AM   #207 
           - I am under no obligation to provide due process.  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 12:13 PM   #213 
     - And the state is a concept of the people  Starboard Tack   Aug-23-11 09:03 PM   #225 
        - Read the subthread, and get back to me when you catch up.  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 10:34 PM   #231 
  - Yeah, they should be concerned about my hidden Case folder! nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:07 PM   #133 
  - And if you're foolish enough to go without a gun,  gravity556   Aug-22-11 09:17 PM   #168 
     - uh uh, what's this I see?  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:54 PM   #176 
        - Pretty sure I was posting in response to someone else.  gravity556   Aug-23-11 08:52 PM   #224 
           - "this would have been a good time to just observe, being a foreigner"  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:36 AM   #252 
              - Sorry, I threw the foreigner line in there, but there was a reason for it  gravity556   Aug-24-11 08:36 PM   #323 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 10:58 PM   #336 
                 - Wyoming, not Idaho.  PavePusher   Aug-25-11 10:52 AM   #343 
                 - I wonder what I said  iverglas   Aug-26-11 02:32 PM   #367 
  - I differ ...  spin   Aug-22-11 10:13 AM   #48 
  - While I disagree with your desire for a ban on concealed-carry, you  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:00 PM   #126 
  - Open carry is insane.  RandySF   Aug-21-11 09:32 PM   #7 
  - I agree. Open carry could cause unpredicatble behavior. Good concealed carry  geckosfeet   Aug-21-11 09:37 PM   #9 
  - I think most open carry laws...  NewMoonTherian   Aug-22-11 12:59 AM   #22 
  - Why would you oc an unloaded gun?  YllwFvr   Aug-22-11 02:26 AM   #25 
  - RandySF lives in California  slackmaster   Aug-22-11 12:05 PM   #58 
  - In most of the country you are allowed to carry the weapon LOADED  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 05:26 AM   #33 
  - Please cite to where Open Carry has "incite(d) violent reactions"...  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 08:10 AM   #44 
  - If I may suggest, those who openly carry (as in Cali) unloaded guns...  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:17 PM   #139 
  - People get the hee bee gee bees when they see a gun. Or when they  geckosfeet   Aug-21-11 09:34 PM   #8 
  - I've got no objection  Coyote_Bandit   Aug-21-11 09:37 PM   #10 
  - Are we talking about Open Carry in CA?  RandySF   Aug-21-11 09:40 PM   #11 
  - That is part of the problem  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:59 PM   #164 
  - i have no idea why anyone would object to open  madrchsod   Aug-21-11 09:57 PM   #12 
  - It's "tacky." More importantly, society needs to progress beyond such implements in public.  Hoyt   Aug-21-11 10:19 PM   #15 
  - Would you  rrneck   Aug-21-11 10:21 PM   #16 
  - I disagree.  NewMoonTherian   Aug-22-11 01:02 AM   #23 
  - If California law was less tacky, California residents would have other options  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:43 AM   #46 
  - Nope -- they can also choose NOT to carry, like over 90% of population.  Hoyt   Aug-22-11 12:16 PM   #59 
     - That ignores the real issues, including the problems with "may issue" laws in California  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 01:13 PM   #66 
     - Just to be clear...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-22-11 05:41 PM   #116 
     - "Tacky" means people are uncomfortable. Right or wrong -- they are, just like if I carried a machete  Hoyt   Aug-22-11 06:05 PM   #129 
        - If it makes people feel uncomfortable, it should not be done even if it is legal?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:42 PM   #156 
           - There you go again, guns in public not the same. But nice try to protect your beloved guns.  Hoyt   Aug-22-11 08:49 PM   #158 
              - How so?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:56 PM   #163 
                 - "Guns" are not the same as those who gave their lives as Freedom Riders. Your poor "gun plight"  Hoyt   Aug-23-11 05:11 AM   #185 
                    - There are no classes of rights any more than there are classes of people  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 08:13 AM   #188 
                       - You can't seem to get off this "my gun plight" is equal to civil rights. Guns are nowhere close.  Hoyt   Aug-23-11 08:49 AM   #193 
                          - Open carry in SoCal? How many times have you actually seen it  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 11:47 PM   #235 
     - Sorry, but there is no choice. No one's BOR is dependent on %s.  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:22 PM   #143 
  - Lets apply your reasoning to other civil rights shall we?  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-22-11 05:53 PM   #122 
  - No let's don't. Those civil/human rights are not the same as carrying a gun. You demean  Hoyt   Aug-22-11 06:10 PM   #136 
  - How about the Bonny Blue flag, or is that tacky also. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-22-11 06:26 PM   #146 
  - If you use it as a symbol of racism/bigotry -- it's despicable too.  Hoyt   Aug-22-11 06:46 PM   #150 
     - Why do you not feel the same way about gun control laws which are historically rooted in racism and  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 12:10 AM   #241 
        - Solution is simple -- ban guns in public for EVERYONE. Further:  Hoyt   Aug-24-11 09:10 AM   #256 
           - "ban guns in public for EVERYONE" Including LEO's? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 09:43 AM   #260 
           - Let's be obtuse. Geeez. Do you pack a gun or two to protect you from LEO?  Hoyt   Aug-24-11 09:52 AM   #261 
              - Just reading your words, as written by you. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 10:20 AM   #268 
                 - Well, Oneshooter, I'd suggest stop reading one word at a time, and try to read in chunks so that  Hoyt   Aug-24-11 11:00 AM   #270 
                    - I would suggest that YOU learn to write what you mean. EVERYBODY means EVERYBODY  oneshooter   Aug-24-11 05:47 PM   #304 
                    - Ahhh more of "its not a lie if I am making a point"  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:21 PM   #319 
           - Where are you from?  gejohnston   Aug-24-11 12:49 PM   #283 
           - If other posts are correct, I would avoid Pasadena  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 11:22 PM   #338 
           - You know, Hoyt  gravity556   Aug-25-11 10:45 AM   #342 
  - You continue to make that claim and offer nothing to back it up but your screeds  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 12:09 AM   #240 
     - Are you saying you don't believe guns were used to oppress minorities. That's foolish.  Hoyt   Aug-24-11 09:12 AM   #257 
        - I am pointing out that gun control laws historically have been targeted at minorities to prevent  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:18 PM   #317 
  - sad and ...  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:30 AM   #180 
     - That is a good description of your posts  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 09:06 PM   #331 
  - Well, at least "progressed beyond" threats & intimidation to the real issue:  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:21 PM   #141 
  - Because it's not Montana in 1870 anymore.  kestrel91316   Aug-21-11 11:11 PM   #18 
  - and your point is what  gejohnston   Aug-21-11 11:13 PM   #19 
  - Hell, no. Have you seen the land prices there lately? nt  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:23 PM   #144 
  - Think "COWBOY" and you'll be in the ball park. ~nt  99th_Monkey   Aug-22-11 12:53 AM   #21 
  - How 'bout vaquero or cowcatcher? Do they qualify?  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:24 PM   #145 
     - Don't forget drovers, they should.  gejohnston   Aug-22-11 09:11 PM   #167 
  - Most people probably assume you are a cop. I would.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 02:44 AM   #27 
  - Open Carry is practically a request to get stopped and harrassed by the cops  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:44 AM   #47 
     - Depends on where you live.  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 12:56 PM   #60 
     - I should have been clear and said that was in CA  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 01:19 PM   #69 
     - Clearly the solution is to stop open carry.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-22-11 01:05 PM   #64 
     - That is clearly the view points of the anti civil rights crowd  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 01:21 PM   #70 
     - I guess it all depends where you live.  Starboard Tack   Aug-22-11 01:22 PM   #71 
        - Several CA departments have taken very agressive anti open carry stances  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 02:01 PM   #77 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-22-11 06:55 AM   #34 
  - It's not OC it's the right for civilians to own guns period.  ileus   Aug-22-11 07:42 AM   #38 
  - and any minute now  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:17 AM   #54 
     - A high percentage of people agree with your statement that ...  spin   Aug-22-11 11:25 AM   #55 
        - I understand and appreciate your sentiments, but  iverglas   Aug-22-11 11:30 AM   #56 
           - Projection, much? n/t  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 12:58 PM   #61 
           - That could be said about anything that makes the public uncomfortable or feel intimidated  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 01:18 PM   #68 
           - cripes this is a sad and ugly game  iverglas   Aug-22-11 06:00 PM   #127 
              - You insistence that somehow some rights are inherently different that others is indeed quite ugly  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:07 PM   #154 
                 - bwahahaha  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:01 AM   #177 
           - Of course, my OWB holster is  gravity556   Aug-22-11 03:06 PM   #85 
              - It is surprising how little people notice about other people ...  spin   Aug-22-11 04:18 PM   #101 
              - hahahahaha  iverglas   Aug-22-11 06:02 PM   #128 
                 - Actually, they're called manners.  gravity556   Aug-22-11 09:05 PM   #165 
                    - no, they're called patriarchy  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:14 AM   #178 
                       - I offer those courtesies to women and men in equal proportion.  PavePusher   Aug-25-11 10:56 AM   #344 
  - Where some people live, gunshots mean gang violence.  ZombieHorde   Aug-22-11 01:01 PM   #62 
  - You should add ...  spin   Aug-22-11 01:55 PM   #76 
     - "and you grew up in an area where legal firearm ownership was unusual."  ZombieHorde   Aug-22-11 02:24 PM   #80 
        - My daughter grew up in Tampa Florida ...  spin   Aug-22-11 03:34 PM   #93 
           - That story could have had a much sadder ending.  ZombieHorde   Aug-22-11 03:44 PM   #95 
           - All I can say is that owning a gun safe is a good idea ...  spin   Aug-22-11 04:06 PM   #100 
           - Don't think requiring safes is a good idea...  SteveM   Aug-22-11 06:39 PM   #148 
              - For example Chicago might require a $5000 safe to secure an inexpensive handgun.  spin   Aug-22-11 09:29 PM   #170 
           - "He invested in a gun safe after the incident."  iverglas   Aug-22-11 06:05 PM   #130 
  - It's abhorrent , rude , appalling shock theater  Katya Mullethov   Aug-22-11 01:54 PM   #75 
  - amazingly  iverglas   Aug-22-11 03:57 PM   #98 
     - Actually, it is like that. Your claim that it's different rests entirely on your own  petronius   Aug-22-11 04:24 PM   #102 
     - actually, the onus to prove the claim  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:06 PM   #104 
        - You're the one making the claim, remember?  petronius   Aug-22-11 05:17 PM   #109 
           - follow the dotted lines with your finger  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:52 PM   #120 
              - Either you're demonstrating a complete failure to understand what you're reading,  petronius   Aug-22-11 05:58 PM   #125 
                 - Sigh... It's the Jay-eee-ell-ell-OH.... n/t  PavePusher   Aug-22-11 07:10 PM   #153 
                 - They can not concede that point or their entire house of prejudice collapases  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:49 PM   #157 
                    - why are you people blithering about "terrorist"?  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:34 AM   #181 
                       - yes  Katya Mullethov   Aug-23-11 07:58 AM   #186 
                       - Your prior comments used the "t" word if nothing else  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 08:16 AM   #191 
                          - ah yes  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:10 AM   #196 
                             - How progressive of you to support the position of the southerners during the civil rights movement  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 11:14 PM   #233 
                                - let me try to help unmuddle you  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:41 AM   #253 
                                   - You inference was not at all clear and changes nothing at the bottom line  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:06 PM   #312 
                                      - if you valued civil discourse  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:28 PM   #321 
                                         - More word dancing with nothing of substance  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:46 PM   #325 
     - What about when the person open carrying is a progressive? NT  RSillsbee   Aug-22-11 06:31 PM   #147 
        - what about when the flying thing is a pig?  iverglas   Aug-22-11 06:54 PM   #152 
           - Are you saying that no true progressive would open carry?  RSillsbee   Aug-23-11 05:59 PM   #219 
              - hee hee, this is such fun  iverglas   Aug-24-11 09:00 AM   #255 
                 - Assertion assumes facts not in evidence  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:10 PM   #313 
  - It's not people that are afraid of hearing about open carriers make it a big deal.  ileus   Aug-22-11 05:02 PM   #103 
  - "How many OCer's has anyone really seen in person?"  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:10 PM   #105 
     - So I'm right....  ileus   Aug-22-11 05:14 PM   #108 
     - you already knew you were "right"?  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:54 PM   #123 
     - So you have ZERO experience with those who open carry  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:51 PM   #159 
     - damn right - no personal experience  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:35 AM   #182 
        - Nice to see you have enough integrity to confirm no experience about which you screed  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 08:15 AM   #190 
           - is "screed" a verb?  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:12 AM   #197 
              - It is urban, probably never heard of it in you village eh?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 11:39 PM   #234 
                 - "COBOL indeed does not count, it computes"  iverglas   Aug-24-11 10:10 AM   #266 
     - You've seen none, yet you feel confident in saying..  X_Digger   Aug-22-11 11:28 PM   #173 
     - I am one of the "many"  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:46 AM   #183 
        - Do you frequently draw conclusions about people based on what you see on the tv / news?  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 08:18 AM   #192 
           - oh, sigh  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:09 AM   #195 
              - Oh I see how it works just fine..  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 09:27 AM   #202 
                 - oh, now, you know  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:37 AM   #204 
                    - "based on wide experience of the world" -- Really?  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 10:02 AM   #205 
                       - wait -- based on argument from misrepresentation  iverglas   Aug-23-11 11:06 AM   #206 
                          - Yet you've never seen someone (non-cop) carrying a gun, much less spoken with them?  X_Digger   Aug-23-11 12:21 PM   #214 
                             - Sounds like some people need to pick better what parts of America they visit/live.  ileus   Aug-23-11 12:28 PM   #215 
                             - I've never met Sarah Palin, either  iverglas   Aug-24-11 10:07 AM   #265 
                                - If you made similar characterizations about Alaskan women, based on Palin..  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 12:17 PM   #274 
                                   - snork  iverglas   Aug-24-11 12:35 PM   #279 
                                      - A bald assertion, stated differently (or repeatedly) is still just an assertion.  X_Digger   Aug-24-11 01:03 PM   #285 
                                      - "It's definitional."  PavePusher   Aug-25-11 10:58 AM   #345 
     - So, how many sightings of cops openly carrying firearms required a change of pants  gravity556   Aug-23-11 01:17 PM   #216 
        - how about if I tell someone "OC"ing at the mall that I think they're an asshole?  iverglas   Aug-24-11 05:19 PM   #303 
  - Hmmm. Dunno.  TheCowsCameHome   Aug-22-11 05:12 PM   #106 
  - exactly so  iverglas   Aug-22-11 05:55 PM   #124 
     - You do seem awefully worked up about it and other US based gun issues  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-22-11 08:53 PM   #160 
        - the rise of the right wing in the house next door  iverglas   Aug-23-11 12:47 AM   #184 
        - Private firearms is not a right wing issue, it is a progressive value  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-23-11 08:14 AM   #189 
        - "private firearms" aren't a value, they are objects  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:13 AM   #198 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-23-11 11:51 PM   #236 
              - if you want to claim that post 281 contains "insults"  iverglas   Aug-24-11 12:44 PM   #282 
                 - Did I make such a claim?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:12 PM   #314 
        - So you're worried about an armed invasion from American OC civilians?  ileus   Aug-23-11 08:57 AM   #194 
           - hardly  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:26 AM   #201 
              - What to your fantasies have to do with open carry in the US?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 12:05 AM   #238 
                 - 41 years here and I've seen maybe 10 OCer's  ileus   Aug-24-11 09:25 AM   #258 
                 - okay, you beat our "ProgressiveProfessor" for the prize  iverglas   Aug-24-11 12:39 PM   #281 
                 - uh, what does this static have to do with the subject matter?  iverglas   Aug-24-11 12:37 PM   #280 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 08:14 PM   #315 
                    - It was a reasonable response given your prior posts  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 09:07 PM   #332 
        - We have a couple of those around here....I suppose they're concerned  ileus   Aug-23-11 09:14 AM   #200 
           - ah, the holy words  iverglas   Aug-23-11 09:30 AM   #203 
              - Yep, those uncivilized swiss assholes.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-23-11 11:49 AM   #211 
              - folding stock, pistol grip and all....and it's black.  ileus   Aug-23-11 12:06 PM   #212 
              - Into a brick wall...? n/t  PavePusher   Aug-23-11 01:57 PM   #218 
              - just in case you miss it  iverglas   Aug-24-11 02:30 PM   #288 
                 - but..it was still tacky, mean, black, scary, and OC'd how hideous.  ileus   Aug-24-11 03:45 PM   #291 
                    - no, it was carried by a member of an organized militia  iverglas   Aug-24-11 03:47 PM   #292 
                       - It's still a scary gun...in public....I almost wept just seeing it in a picture.  ileus   Aug-24-11 03:50 PM   #293 
                          - Don't be frightened.  Glassunion   Aug-24-11 03:52 PM   #294 
                          - I don't know when you folks will get the picture  iverglas   Aug-24-11 04:10 PM   #295 
                             - but guns kill people...  ileus   Aug-24-11 04:48 PM   #299 
                                - you keep saying it  iverglas   Aug-24-11 04:55 PM   #300 
              - maybe you can tell us the story in the picture  iverglas   Aug-24-11 10:00 AM   #263 
                 - I made a mistake.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-24-11 12:54 PM   #284 
                    - well, it's a good question  iverglas   Aug-24-11 02:29 PM   #287 
              - As compared to a civilized nations that protects the clubbing of baby seals eh?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 12:07 AM   #239 
                 - I assume you're making a statement  iverglas   Aug-24-11 10:02 AM   #264 
                    - Just reminding you of some of the "civilized" behaviors going on in your neighborhood  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:16 PM   #316 
                       - no, you were engaging in ethnocentric xenophobic insult  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:23 PM   #320 
                          - Snork  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 09:01 PM   #330 
                             - like I said  iverglas   Aug-24-11 10:45 PM   #334 
                                - Snork**2  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 10:54 PM   #335 
  - Guns scare some people.  WAFS   Aug-24-11 05:51 AM   #249 
  - truth scares some people  iverglas   Aug-24-11 10:14 AM   #267 
     - To find the truth adverse look in the mirror  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:20 PM   #318 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 08:29 PM   #322 
     - As I have stated before, I rarely if ever imbibe  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-24-11 08:49 PM   #326 
     - Guns scare some people.  WAFS   Aug-24-11 08:50 PM   #327 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-24-11 08:57 PM   #329 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-24-11 11:03 PM   #337 
        - so I'm sick to death of this  iverglas   Aug-25-11 07:22 AM   #339 
           - Yet you continue to particpate...  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-25-11 10:39 AM   #341 
              - if you don't know what I'm sick to death of  iverglas   Aug-25-11 04:24 PM   #354 
                 - Your emotional state is not our concern  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-25-11 05:49 PM   #361 
                    - ah, memory lane  iverglas   Sep-07-11 03:08 PM   #375 
     - Interesting post.  WAFS   Aug-24-11 08:45 PM   #324 
        - "I happen to disagree with you, but that's what makes America great."  iverglas   Aug-24-11 08:52 PM   #328 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-24-11 09:19 PM   #333 
  - If only the excitables amongst us were able to trust their fellow man.  ileus   Aug-26-11 01:50 PM   #366 
  - ... then nobody would be needing to haul guns around in public!!!  iverglas   Aug-27-11 12:38 PM   #374 
  - I hate open carry. No need for it is CC is available. Just showing off for some people.  Logical   Aug-26-11 05:33 PM   #369 
  - because  MyrnaLoy   Sep-07-11 04:49 PM   #376 
     - People also open carry...  We_Have_A_Problem   Sep-07-11 05:14 PM   #377 
     - You mean "those" nasty people actually have the effrontery to use their so-called....  PavePusher   Sep-08-11 01:02 AM   #378 
 

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